How exactly does Darkoz's Player's Club Cards Team work?

Darkoz got the idea for his Player's Club Cards Team when he was basically broke one day after losing money and went on the bus to go home. On the bus, he realized he forgot his Player's Club Card in the machine and went back to get it. Lo and behold,some random guy was playing hard on Darkoz card and didn't even know it and inadvertently got Darkoz like $50 in points and $50 in free play when Darkoz was practically broke. Darkoz got the idea for his Player's Club Cards Team from what happened with the random guy inadvertently giving Darkoz like $50 in points and $50 in free play. How exactly does Darkoz's Player's Club Cards Team work? :confused: Do the Team play hard on each other's cards and give each other promotions, points, and free play that way? :confused: I do remember Darkoz saying something like,"I've had some of my Team screw me over and I kicked them out for screwing me over and they see how much money the people still on the Team make and they realize their mistake in screwing me over and beg to be let back on the Team, but I don't let them back on the team. Screw me over once, I permanently fire you from my Team."

Does he have an account here? I could go over and ask him if he wants to come over and answer this. I don't know how his team works; I've never worked with him. He's gotten into a good deal of information and in my interview with him; the interview was mostly just about how he got started, though.

ADDED: Obviously, even if I had worked with him, it still wouldn't be for me to answer that.

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Did you or did you not date a black transgender women from NYC ?

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Darkoz, do you remember how much the random guy who was inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card got you? I think you said he earned you $50 in free play and $50 in points when you had basically been broke. Did he eventually look at the Player's Club Card slot and be like,"Who the hell is Darkoz/(Your real name)?" And take out the Player's Club Card? Or did he lose all his money and then leave?In your case, someone inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card was a complete accident on both you and his parts. Someone who I will not mention by name said something like,"Years ago, my Local Casino didn't turn off the Player's Club Card after a couple of minutes like they do now, so cards in slot machines stayed active as long as it was in a game. I used to purposely leave my Player's Club Card inside games and wait for random people to start playing on my card , and I earned a lot of money that way. I called it a Player's Club Card hustle."

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I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Darkoz, do you remember how much the random guy who was inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card got you? I think you said he earned you $50 in free play and $50 in points when you had basically been broke. Did he eventually look at the Player's Club Card slot and be like,"Who the hell is Darkoz/(Your real name)?" And take out the Player's Club Card? Or did he lose all his money and then leave?In your case, someone inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card was a complete accident on both you and his parts. Someone who I will not mention by name said something like,"Years ago, my Local Casino didn't turn off the Player's Club Card after a couple of minutes like they do now, so cards in slot machines stayed active as long as it was in a game. I used to purposely leave my Player's Club Card inside games and wait for random people to start playing on my card , and I earned a lot of money that way. I called it a Player's Club Card hustle."

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It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

After two or three days I convinced my daughter and her husband to come down and get cards that tripled my output sitting around collecting points.

At that time they did not check ID when redeeming points for food. I should point out the food was a voucher you printed at the kiosk and needed a pin and card for so they just assumed of you had the voucher that meant you had the card and pin. The outlets would just take the order and then the voucher as payment

Aw man, $10 in points is a far cry from the $50 in points and the $50 in free play I thought you got the SAME day. ;) :(

How much was the offers you later got after the guy inadvertently played hard on your card? :)

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I convinced my daughter and her husband to come down

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I suppose you have your daughter and son-in-law to thank for you getting into MC - if they had provided you room and board then you might not have been incentivized to develop MC knowledge.

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It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

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How did you even get in? On the Strip Circus Circus is pretty much the only casino that allows the homeless to even pit stop inside, that's part of why UNKewlJ confines nursing his sorry act to the North Side.

Is RW NYC fast and loose with entrance standards like Circus Circus,

https://i.imgur.com/EaLSSsll.jpg

or did you take a shower and shoplift some clean clothes first?

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

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Security in a place like Caesar's Palace is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks known pickpockets are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

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Did they teach you this in law school, or did you learn it the hard way, before you got lucky?

"A third of the people on the floor" (not dealers: you mean folks moseying along) work for the casino and are in cognito?

Wow, who knew?

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It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

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How did you even get in? On the Strip Circus Circus is pretty much the only casino that allows the homeless to even pit stop inside, that's part of why UNKewlJ confines nursing his sorry act to the North Side.

Is RW NYC fast and loose with entrance standards like Circus Circus,

https://i.imgur.com/EaLSSsll.jpg

or did you take a shower and shoplift some clean clothes first?

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

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You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

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You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

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He is not confused about anything Dark Oz. Mdawgs tactics are now about making up whatever he wants, to try to smear and discredit those that have dared question his claims. That he KNOWS the things he says attacking people, like You, me Axelwolf, anyone really that challenged his BS doesn't matter to him in the slightest. At WoV, he pretends to be a somewhat decent person, I guess because rules dictate that. On these other forums, he doesn't even make the slightest attempt to pretend. He just shows who he is.

Now I have a question about this multi-carding stuff. A while ago, maybe 7 8 years ago now, I made a post somewhere, probably WoV about the group that had been Busted" in Pa for multi-carding and was just starting to go through the legal process. I immediately received some private messages and emails for 3 or 4 people, saying "we don't talk about multi-carding on the open forums" Fair enough. Now all of the sudden, I see a lot of chatter about it on several different forums and have read and heard multi-carding (especially teams) has moved up on casino priority. Why is it now being talked about openly? Not that I care, I am not involved with this.

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You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

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He is not confused about anything Dark Oz. Mdawgs tactics are now about making up whatever he wants, to try to smear and discredit those that have dared question his claims. That he KNOWS the things he says attacking people, like You, me Axelwolf, anyone really that challenged his BS doesn't matter to him in the slightest. At WoV, he pretends to be a somewhat decent person, I guess because rules dictate that. On these other forums, he doesn't even make the slightest attempt to pretend. He just shows who he is.

Now I have a question about this multi-carding stuff. A while ago, maybe 7 8 years ago now, I made a post somewhere, probably WoV about the group that had been Busted" in Pa for multi-carding and was just starting to go through the legal process. I immediately received some private messages and emails for 3 or 4 people, saying "we don't talk about multi-carding on the open forums" Fair enough. Now all of the sudden, I see a lot of chatter about it on several different forums and have read and heard multi-carding (especially teams) has moved up on casino priority. Why is it now being talked about openly? Not that I care, I am not involved with this.

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I remember the team in PA. I was warned that PA was tough and would prosecute for using other players cards but I went in anyway pretty confident of my understanding of the law.

I was correct. I did get caught. They verified I had permission from everyone whose card I used and just told me there was no case.

That means that other team was not using cards with permission of the card holders and indeed I learned later there was something involving a casino manager printing cards and changing pins to steal freeplay.

As for not discussing it I think they believed casinos didn't understand how multicarding works. To some extent that's still true but they know enough that you can't just egregiously grab freeplay. You have to use some form of cover play. And all the multicarding teams have things that work. At least until they dont.

OK: just how does multi-carding work?

I don't get what all the secrecy is about. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out a play like this.

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OK: just how does multi-carding work?

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MrV, I have shared in detail what myself and my partner did with machine play here in Vegas for almost a decade, which resulted in a supplemental income of about 20k per year, each. We were using 2-4 cards or accounts, playing a certain amount of play through at -EV, which would generate mailer offers worth much more +Ev than the small -Ev to get it.

So think of that on steroids with a group or team of players doing this with 100's or even 1000's of cards and accounts. That is basically it.

I am not sure the legalities of this in different jurisdictions. I know teams or groups of players were busted in Colorado and Pa, but both cases sort of disappeared from the news, I suspect just settled or charges withdrawn. I am also not sure how casinos wouldn't have noticed this on the large scale being talked about now, 1000's of cards or accounts. Almost seems like they had no interest, until all of the sudden they do. :rolleyes:

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I don't get what all the secrecy is about. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out a play like this.

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No one aspect of anything is "rocket science". But just like anything in order to become an expert there is a tuition cost. Card runners pay a steep price to learn their craft. It's actually like existing in a permanent experiment as the variables are constantly changing. Anyone who knows anything worth knowing isn't and shouldn't share a damn thing. All that does is dilute that particular angle causing it to disappear. All you have to do is take a look at the vulture scene to see that effect.

Casinos will spend $10 to keep someone from getting over on them for a single dollar. So really nothing should be openly discussed. All that does is bring in more people looking for a slice of the pie. A single team operating in a casino can destroy it. Let alone multiple teams. Unfortunately, now there are lots of situations where multiple teams wind up in the same casinos and a lot of plays are getting shut down. So the dummies are going to go around talking about past exploits just fueling the fires to entice more competition into the market. Thus diluting the values of all sorts of different angles. What can you say? People in general are stupid. ...RIP

DarkOz might be adding a 0 to his alleged figures (there is also his, "I make $20,000. a week, but not every week" nonsense) but UNKewLyingJ's jumping on that same $20,000. figure, but for the year (surprise! not much imagination there) is wholly fabricated.

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The thing about KJ - if you actually read what he writes - is that he constantly echoes the words/phrases and themes of the immediately previous replies by others.

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I.E. DarkOz may exaggerate but UNKewlJ lies entirely.

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Casinos will spend $10 to keep someone from getting over on them for a single dollar.

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Bill Zender has been preaching the errors of their ways since before I even started playing. It always amazed me how casino just dismiss him and others that know.

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DarkOz might be adding a 0 to his alleged figures (there is also his, "I make $20,000. a week, but not every week" nonsense) but UNKewLyingJ's jumping on that same $20,000. figure, but for the year (surprise! not much imagination there) is wholly fabricated.

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Perfect example of what a lying idiot you are. I shared what my partner and I were doing, on a much smaller "supplemental" scale, long before Dark oz reveal what he and his team were doing. So you can't "steal" someone's $20k figure years before they even said it.

Moreover, one person was talking about $20K a year. The other $20K a week. Hardly the same thing.

You just don't give a fuck any more do you? You have just given up now haven't you Mdawg?

I understand how a working AP, someone who is MCing would not want the specifics known, but I was just wondering in general how it works.

I guess it is the logistical questions that baffle me.

Say a team uses 100 or 1000 cards: I assume all must be linked to different people, each with a different email and home address.

How does the team get these cards?

Seems unlikely that 100 strangers would allow themselves to go to a casino, show ID, get a card and then hand it over for nothing, and if there is a cost might it not exceed expected profit?

Is VP the game typically played by teams now, or are slots also the target due to lack of favorable VP these days?

I ask as a curious ploppy, not someone who plans to MC in sin city or anywhere else.

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I understand how a working AP, someone who is MCing would not want the specifics known, but I was just wondering in general how it works.

I guess it is the logistical questions that baffle me.

Say a team uses 100 or 1000 cards: I assume all must be linked to different people, each with a different email and home address.

How does the team get these cards?

Seems unlikely that 100 strangers would allow themselves to go to a casino, show ID, get a card and then hand it over for nothing, and if there is a cost might it not exceed expected profit?

Is VP the game typically played by teams now, or are slots also the target due to lack of favorable VP these days?

I ask as a curious ploppy, not someone who plans to MC in sin city or anywhere else.

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Even basic questions like this should not be answered publicly. Although you might just be curious there are numerous others that would do something with any info that is divulged. Your best bet is to ask someone who does what you are interested in privately. If they're smart though they won't answer. But ask enough and you will find a dummy.

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DarkOz might be adding a 0 to his alleged figures (there is also his, "I make $20,000. a week, but not every week" nonsense) but UNKewLyingJ's jumping on that same $20,000. figure, but for the year (surprise! not much imagination there) is wholly fabricated.

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Perfect example of what a lying idiot you are. I shared what my partner and I were doing, on a much smaller "supplemental" scale, long before Dark oz reveal what he and his team were doing. So you can't "steal" someone's $20k figure years before they even said it.

Moreover, one person was talking about $20K a year. The other $20K a week. Hardly the same thing.

You just don't give a fuck any more do you? You have just given up now haven't you Mdawg?

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The irony is he claims to make as much as $96,000 in just a few hours at Baccarat using an advantage play consistently for years on just his own card without any heat.

I find his unwillingness to believe advantage play of certain levels is possible belies that he himself exaggerates. It's almost a done deal that people can only imagine what they do is possible. Like the cheating wife who is so certain her husband must be cheating simply because she herself is unfaithful

"But ask enough and you will find a dummy."

MrV, there's both your answer and your direction: Just send a PM to kew. He will lie of course, because that's what he does. But when did that ever stop you from believing him?

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Originally Posted by MisterV

I understand how a working AP, someone who is MCing would not want the specifics known, but I was just wondering in general how it works.

I guess it is the logistical questions that baffle me.

Say a team uses 100 or 1000 cards: I assume all must be linked to different people, each with a different email and home address.

How does the team get these cards?

Seems unlikely that 100 strangers would allow themselves to go to a casino, show ID, get a card and then hand it over for nothing, and if there is a cost might it not exceed expected profit?

Is VP the game typically played by teams now, or are slots also the target due to lack of favorable VP these days?

I ask as a curious ploppy, not someone who plans to MC in sin city or anywhere else.

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Even basic questions like this should not be answered publicly. Although you might just be curious there are numerous others that would do something with any info that is divulged. Your best bet is to ask someone who does what you are interested in privately. If they're smart though they won't answer. But ask enough and you will find a dummy.

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The problem MaxPen is that when an AP is caught the casinos automatically assume the cards are outright stolen.

You have to in some cases actually have the player's reach out to admit they gave their cards willingly.

Also when a card runner is made, that means he is already bee followed and identified as having multiple cards. The casinos don't JUST deactivate offers but they examine card and player history. Ostensibly it's to be certain the offers aren't stolen from the inside (did they come from play or MR. Supervisor uploading on the sly).

I will lay my bottom dollar that 99% of ruined plays with multicarding come from post investigative operations as to how multicarding worked at that particular time and not to casino workers paying any attention to some posts on a right wing leaning insult spewing gambling site.

At any rate their understanding is as you can see inevitable so shouting about secrecy is really pointless.

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"But ask enough and you will find a dummy." MrV, there's both your answer and your direction: Just send a PM to kew. He will lie of course, because that's what he does. But when did that ever stop you from believing him?

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Robert, I'd ask him about blackjack because I think he's an expert in that area, but not multi-carding.

But let me ask YOU for your expert opinion on a nettlesome subject: When you take a shit does your nine and a half inch schlong dangle in the drink, or do you flop it over the seat?

Choices, choices...

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I understand how a working AP, someone who is MCing would not want the specifics known, but I was just wondering in general how it works.

I guess it is the logistical questions that baffle me.

Say a team uses 100 or 1000 cards: I assume all must be linked to different people, each with a different email and home address.

How does the team get these cards?

Seems unlikely that 100 strangers would allow themselves to go to a casino, show ID, get a card and then hand it over for nothing, and if there is a cost might it not exceed expected profit?

Is VP the game typically played by teams now, or are slots also the target due to lack of favorable VP these days?

I ask as a curious ploppy, not someone who plans to MC in sin city or anywhere else.

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Even basic questions like this should not be answered publicly. Although you might just be curious there are numerous others that would do something with any info that is divulged. Your best bet is to ask someone who does what you are interested in privately. If they're smart though they won't answer. But ask enough and you will find a dummy.

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The problem MaxPen is that when an AP is caught the casinos automatically assume the cards are outright stolen.

You have to in some cases actually have the player's reach out to admit they gave their cards willingly.

Also when a card runner is made, that means he is already bee followed and identified as having multiple cards. The casinos don't JUST deactivate offers but they examine card and player history. Ostensibly it's to be certain the offers aren't stolen from the inside (did they come from play or MR. Supervisor uploading on the sly).

I will lay my bottom dollar that 99% of ruined plays with multicarding come from post investigative operations as to how multicarding worked at that particular time and not to casino workers paying any attention to some posts on a right wing leaning insult spewing gambling site.

At any rate their understanding is as you can see inevitable so shouting about secrecy is really pointless.

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Regardless of whether or not posted info on sites is used by casinos or not does not make a difference. There's a lot of people that would kill to earn "$20k per week".

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of your peers vote you Biggest Moron.....RIP

Your lack of understanding is incomprehensible. Your level of comprehension fully explains why you have had the run ins with security and legal problems that you have had.

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Even basic questions like this should not be answered publicly. Although you might just be curious there are numerous others that would do something with any info that is divulged. Your best bet is to ask someone who does what you are interested in privately. If they're smart though they won't answer. But ask enough and you will find a dummy.

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The problem MaxPen is that when an AP is caught the casinos automatically assume the cards are outright stolen.

You have to in some cases actually have the player's reach out to admit they gave their cards willingly.

Also when a card runner is made, that means he is already bee followed and identified as having multiple cards. The casinos don't JUST deactivate offers but they examine card and player history. Ostensibly it's to be certain the offers aren't stolen from the inside (did they come from play or MR. Supervisor uploading on the sly).

I will lay my bottom dollar that 99% of ruined plays with multicarding come from post investigative operations as to how multicarding worked at that particular time and not to casino workers paying any attention to some posts on a right wing leaning insult spewing gambling site.

At any rate their understanding is as you can see inevitable so shouting about secrecy is really pointless.

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Regardless of whether or not posted info on sites is used by casinos or not does not make a difference. There's a lot of people that would kill to earn "$20k per week".

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of your peers vote you Biggest Moron.....RIP

Your lack of understanding is incomprehensible. Your level of comprehension fully explains why you have had the run ins with security and legal problems that you have had.

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Legal problems?

In 12 years I have been charged once with trespassing and beat it.

I would hardly call that "legal problems".

You are just frustrated because you fail to understand the obvious. That advantage plays don't last forever no matter what.

If you are half the AP I am then you would be able to adjust under any circumstances

It's 12 years running and I am still in operations with multiple team members. Figure it out!

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The problem MaxPen is that when an AP is caught the casinos automatically assume the cards are outright stolen.

You have to in some cases actually have the player's reach out to admit they gave their cards willingly.

Also when a card runner is made, that means he is already bee followed and identified as having multiple cards. The casinos don't JUST deactivate offers but they examine card and player history. Ostensibly it's to be certain the offers aren't stolen from the inside (did they come from play or MR. Supervisor uploading on the sly).

I will lay my bottom dollar that 99% of ruined plays with multicarding come from post investigative operations as to how multicarding worked at that particular time and not to casino workers paying any attention to some posts on a right wing leaning insult spewing gambling site.

At any rate their understanding is as you can see inevitable so shouting about secrecy is really pointless.

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Regardless of whether or not posted info on sites is used by casinos or not does not make a difference. There's a lot of people that would kill to earn "$20k per week".

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of your peers vote you Biggest Moron.....RIP

Your lack of understanding is incomprehensible. Your level of comprehension fully explains why you have had the run ins with security and legal problems that you have had.

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Legal problems?

In 12 years I have been charged once with trespassing and beat it.

I would hardly call that "legal problems".

You are just frustrated because you fail to understand the obvious. That advantage plays don't last forever no matter what.

If you are half the AP I am then you would be able to adjust under any circumstances

It's 12 years running and I am still in operations with multiple team members. Figure it out!

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12 years in the game and still not able to retire. 'Nuff said...RIP

If I was at your level I would still be riding buses around to casinos sweating like a pig in crappy latex masks....LOL...no thanks

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Regardless of whether or not posted info on sites is used by casinos or not does not make a difference. There's a lot of people that would kill to earn "$20k per week".

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of your peers vote you Biggest Moron.....RIP

Your lack of understanding is incomprehensible. Your level of comprehension fully explains why you have had the run ins with security and legal problems that you have had.

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Legal problems?

In 12 years I have been charged once with trespassing and beat it.

I would hardly call that "legal problems".

You are just frustrated because you fail to understand the obvious. That advantage plays don't last forever no matter what.

If you are half the AP I am then you would be able to adjust under any circumstances

It's 12 years running and I am still in operations with multiple team members. Figure it out!

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12 years in the game and still not able to retire. 'Nuff said...RIP

If I was at your level I would still be riding buses around to casinos sweating like a pig in crappy latex masks....LOL...no thanks

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This has to be the most ridiculous statement made by a right wing person ever.

By that thinking there would be no working rich people. Steven Spielberg wouldn't make movies now that he's wealthy enough to retire. Trump wouldn't run a business or run for president because he has plenty to retire on. Etc etc.

You are so desperately grasping at straws it so sad.

I haven't done much traveling as I just send in my crew. Unlike you I figured out how to act retired while still raking in dough.

Try going big and maybe you will get it.

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Regardless of whether or not posted info on sites is used by casinos or not does not make a difference. There's a lot of people that would kill to earn "$20k per week".

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of your peers vote you Biggest Moron.....RIP

Your lack of understanding is incomprehensible. Your level of comprehension fully explains why you have had the run ins with security and legal problems that you have had.

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Legal problems?

In 12 years I have been charged once with trespassing and beat it.

I would hardly call that "legal problems".

You are just frustrated because you fail to understand the obvious. That advantage plays don't last forever no matter what.

If you are half the AP I am then you would be able to adjust under any circumstances

It's 12 years running and I am still in operations with multiple team members. Figure it out!

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12 years in the game and still not able to retire. 'Nuff said...RIP

If I was at your level I would still be riding buses around to casinos sweating like a pig in crappy latex masks....LOL...no thanks

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This has to be the most ridiculous statement made by a right wing person ever.

By that thinking there would be no working rich people. Steven Spielberg wouldn't make movies now that he's wealthy enough to retire. Trump wouldn't run a business or run for president because he has plenty to retire on. Etc etc.

You are so desperately grasping at straws it so sad.

I haven't done much traveling as I just send in my crew. Unlike you I figured out how to act retired while still raking in dough.

Try going big and maybe you will get it.

What he means, and he's right, is that you remain six weeks to a shopping cart, D.Oz. At best you remain six weeks to having to sell off pinball machines just like after your first rodeo. You haven't learned anything, is what MPen is saying. Would you agree? What's different this time around as far as planning for a possible paradigm shift / complete loss of income?

Similar thing a lot of people have pointed out about jbjb / ibeatyouraces, that after all this time he doesn't even have enough bankroll to do anything on his own.

As far as UNKewlJ, he's just sore because even the forum owner here came out and stated that FraudJ is a liar, and he was just uncloaked with having lied for six months straight to every forum on which he participates. Nothing new for him, he lies all the time, but this time he even admitted it. And you know when he's caught in yet another lie when he makes with the long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again. :cool:

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What he means, and he's right, is that you remain six weeks to a shopping cart, D.Oz. At best you remain six weeks to having to sell off pinball machines just like after your first rodeo. You haven't learned anything, is what MPen is saying. Would you agree? What's different this time around as far as planning for a possible paradigm shift / complete loss of income?

Similar thing a lot of people have pointed out about jbjb / ibeatyouraces, that after all this time he doesn't even have enough bankroll to do anything on his own.

As far as UNKewlJ, he's just sore because even the forum owner here came out and stated that FraudJ is a liar, and he was just uncloaked with having lied for six months straight to every forum on which he participates. Nothing new for him, he lies all the time, but this time he even admitted it. And you know when he's caught in yet another lie when he makes with the long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again. :cool:

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Six weeks from a shopping cart? Where did you learn to assume with such stupidity.

During Covid shutdown I went six months with no income and still paid my rent and was comfortable enough to invest in the stock market.

You can't even get your insults correct. Even with a bad investment I still pay half a dozen employees income enough for each of them to live on just themselves much less what I clear myself.

This site is just apparently full of a bunch of jealous wannabees who fantasize they beat Baccarat and roulette

Doz you KNOW you're in no better shape than before when your idea of savings is penny stocks (that went to nada) and pinball machines....

If you don't want to learn from your past you might be doomed to repeat it.

And if you think I'm insulting you versus trying to suggest productively that you change your ways, well, that's part of the stubbornness that led you to homelessness in the first place, no?

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Doz you KNOW you're in no better shape than before when your idea of savings is penny stocks (that went to nada) and pinball machines....

If you don't want to learn from your past you might be doomed to repeat it.

And if you think I'm insulting you versus trying to suggest productively that you change your ways, well, that's part of the stubbornness that led you to homelessness in the first place, no?

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You would think I was being accused of spending thousands of dollars on paper clips to hold my cash and other irresponsible spending.

Actually the more luxury items I buy tend to have a resale value of the same or higher than what I bought them for, because I try never to pay retail. If I were to sell them.

Probably, if I were to guess, your best investment over the years has been comic books. Which whatever goes up is fine.

But I doubt pinball machines go up in value or are that liquid?

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I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Did you or did you not date a black transgender women from NYC ?

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Did you in fact have a multiple year relationship with a black transgender women from NYC ? I’m Not sure if you think that is right leaning question or not. Political opinion should not matter

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I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

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Did you or did you not date a black transgender women from NYC ?

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Why? You starting to dress up and want to.suck my cock?

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Why? You starting to dress up and want to.suck my cock?

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Lol

No I’m doing a survey on how many left leaning APs are actually gay for my book of course

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No I’m doing a survey on how many left leaning APs are actually gay for my book of course

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Well do your research in a thread about homosexuality and not multicarding.

BTW I too am writing a book about my theory that right wing politicians share toilet paper in public stalls so they can pay for gay sex

Warren Buffet is still working? You mean he's a broke ass bitch? Damn! What is he like 90 years old. Here this whole time I thought he was a billionaire.

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No I’m doing a survey on how many left leaning APs are actually gay for my book of course

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Well do your research in a thread about homosexuality and not multicarding.

BTW I too am writing a book about my theory that right wing politicians share toilet paper in public stalls so they can pay for gay sex

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I used a better research tool then a single thread. I used a website filled with homosexual Left leaning APs WOV. However many chasers like yourself don’t identify as homosexual. I was hopeful you would clarify the relationship so I could finish the research. No worries little buddy

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Warren Buffet is still working? You mean he's a broke ass bitch? Damn! What is he like 90 years old. Here this whole time I thought he was a billionaire.

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I think Maxpen is simply pointing out that He couldn’t retire if he wanted to. Essentially a slave to the grind perhaps because of a gambling problem ? Of course none of these guys will tell you they MC to feed a gambling addiction. Most are living card to card.

But Mick you are correct many successful people with enough money to retire a 100 times over continue to work, because they love it.

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But Mick you are correct many successful people with enough money to retire a 100 times over continue to work, because they love it.

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I retired a couple years ago and while I am not bored and do not miss the workplace interaction with others I have to confess that I do miss earning money.

Oh, I HAVE lots of money, certainly enough for my needs and to pass on to my heirs, but there's something in me that wants MORE MORE MORE.

Is this normal?

Well what is the purpose of retirement? To sit around all day reading and watching movies?

Doing that now.

Being free enough to spend twenty grand on a vacation. Done, doing that now.

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But Mick you are correct many successful people with enough money to retire a 100 times over continue to work, because they love it.

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I retired a couple years ago and while I am not bored and do not miss the workplace interaction with others I have to confess that I do miss earning money.

Oh, I HAVE lots money, but there's something in me that wants MORE MORE MORE.

Is this normal?

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If you think that’s what successful people are chasing then perhaps not. However successful people don’t really chase money it’s a byproduct normally of their skill set. Regardless of what the left leaning indoctrination tries to teach the youth.
Successful people just like to set goals and accomplish said goals. If it’s in a highly lucrative vertical then they accumulate vast wealth.

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So, V. You go to Chinook Winds, run a 20K wager on the 98% video pokers. It's a theoretical $400 loss. But they send you $100 a week in freeplay for 3 months. It turns that $400 loss into an $800 win.

So next time you decide to take your wife's card with you, run 20K on your card, then run 20K on her card, and they send you each $100 a week in freeplay for 3 months.

Whoopeee!! You are now a multi-carder. You've doubled your income on the game. Since you know your wife's pin number you have no problem running off her freeplay.

Husbands and wives were the original multi-carders. Dancer used to write about using his wife's card all the time.

But one day your daughter comes over to visit. The lightbulb goes off in your head. "Hey, sweetheart. Do you think you could go down to the casino and sign up for the player's card and give it to me....along with the pin number? Oh, and take your husband too."

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I retired a couple years ago and while I am not bored and do not miss the workplace interaction with others I have to confess that I do miss earning money.

Oh, I HAVE lots money, but there's something in me that wants MORE MORE MORE.

Is this normal?

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If you think that’s what successful people are chasing then perhaps not. However successful people don’t really chase money it’s a byproduct normally of their skill set. Regardless of what the left leaning indoctrination tries to teach the youth.
Successful people just like to set goals and accomplish said goals. If it’s in a highly lucrative vertical then they accumulate vast wealth.

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By that definition a homeless man who sets goals to get warm socks for himself and suceeds is successful and ready to retire.

BTW many homeless who don't work could be considered retired. Sure that's right it's not about money

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It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

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How did you even get in? On the Strip Circus Circus is pretty much the only casino that allows the homeless to even pit stop inside, that's part of why UNKewlJ confines nursing his sorry act to the North Side.

Is RW NYC fast and loose with entrance standards like Circus Circus,

https://i.imgur.com/EaLSSsll.jpg

or did you take a shower and shoplift some clean clothes first?

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

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Disagree on the grounds that Strip casinos have seemed not to mind me being there.

I’m not homeless but it’s not like you could tell from looking at me.

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Did you in fact have a multiple year relationship with a black transgender women from NYC ? I’m Not sure if you think that is right leaning question or not. Political opinion should not matter

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Why? You starting to dress up and want to.suck my cock?

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No I’m doing a survey on how many left leaning APs are actually gay for my book of course

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Socially liberal, heterosexual. I wouldn’t even swing/trade (not that I’d be into that anyway) just because having another man present during a sexual liaison seems a little comme ci, comme ça. No offense. You do you; I think consenting adults should do whatever they wish. Again, because I’m socially liberal.

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But Mick you are correct many successful people with enough money to retire a 100 times over continue to work, because they love it.

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I retired a couple years ago and while I am not bored and do not miss the workplace interaction with others I have to confess that I do miss earning money.

Oh, I HAVE lots of money, certainly enough for my needs and to pass on to my heirs, but there's something in me that wants MORE MORE MORE.

Is this normal?

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Only in the midnight hour. And with a Rebel Yell.

One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

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One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

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That would mean you are around your wife all the time. If not, then it’s definitely not 0%. She could still be with someone when you aren't around.

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But Mick you are correct many successful people with enough money to retire a 100 times over continue to work, because they love it.

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I retired a couple years ago and while I am not bored and do not miss the workplace interaction with others I have to confess that I do miss earning money.

Oh, I HAVE lots of money, certainly enough for my needs and to pass on to my heirs, but there's something in me that wants MORE MORE MORE.

Is this normal?

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Only in the midnight hour. And with a Rebel Yell.

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And with Miley Cyrus in Las Vegas. Ha. That's another 5:55 tune, for the Reaper.

https://youtu.be/You7b9n75SM

Work is good for the soul, but, not if for the money, what turns you into a well-paid slave, at best. Glorified points, earned at the maximum rate, are for robots. When life is either too short, or too long.

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But I doubt pinball machines go up in value or are that liquid?

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Pinball Machines like Cactus Canyon, Attack from Mars, and Medieval Madness have gone up quite a bit (the originals from the 90's, not the remakes from the previous decade). Same with The Addams Family.

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OK: just how does multi-carding work?

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So, V. You go to Chinook Winds, run a 20K wager on the 98% video pokers...

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Thanks, Mickey.

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But I doubt pinball machines go up in value or are that liquid?

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Pinball Machines like Cactus Canyon, Attack from Mars, and Medieval Madness have gone up quite a bit (the originals from the 90's, not the remakes from the previous decade). Same with The Addams Family.

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Thank you. I was going to point that out.

In addition even a broken pinball still has value because many of the parts aren't made anymore and can be used on other models.

I doubt one of his watches if broken has much value just for parts

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One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

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But theoretically, even if she and her Husband or Significant Other were still together, YOU could still be held accountable since it's YOUR child. Wait a minute. In your situation, is the Woman STILL pregnant or has she already given birth to the child? There's a huge difference between someone who's STILL pregnant and someone who's already given birth. If she's STILL pregnant, you could just be a deadbeat Father and run to another State or something like that, somewhere that she has no idea where you are and live your life without paying for the unborn child, you could be in big trouble if she's already given birth and can prove that YOU are her child's Father. You could be on the hook for that child for 18 years.

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Being free enough to spend twenty grand on a vacation. Done, doing that now.

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I don't see any evidence that you're doing things any differently today than in your pre-homeless period. Just blowing everything that comes your way, no solid investments (CYDY is at 18 cents now, no?), no long term tangible investments like real estate, idea of saving is money in the mattress.

And putting out that you're spending $20K on a vacation as evidence of financial wherewithal...is DarkOz thinking and attitude all the way!

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Try not to spout off when you're not only wrong but showing how you know nothing about the subject, a la AxelWolf.

Darkoz, you had mentioned before that some of your Team have screwed you over and you fired them and then they begged you to let them back on the team when they see how much money the people still on the Team make and you refuse to rehire them. How do they screw you over? Do they gamble the money for themselves that they are supposed to be giving you? :/

The main reason his scheme works is he has all these street people working for him at slave labor rates. Plus they must all be low intelligence on par with someone like say UNKewlJ, to not just figure out that they would be better off just doing whatever is going on by themselves. Obviously not one has even saved up enough bankroll to pull off the scheme on his own.

Also some probably noticed that the schemes don't even always work, sometimes lose money, so figured, I'll leave the headache to DarkOz and just drink my Hennessy and collect what the man gives me.

I don't do things any differently - because the capital needed for a given business and brains all derive from me, I don't pay the people who work for me anything on par with full partnership. But I don't pay them slave labor rates either.

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The main reason his scheme works is he has all these street people working for him at slave labor rates. Plus they must all be low intelligence on par with someone like say UNKewlJ, to not just figure out that they would be better off just doing whatever is going on by themselves. Obviously not one has even saved up enough bankroll to pull off the scheme on his own.

Also some probably noticed that the schemes don't even always work, sometimes lose money, so figured, I'll leave the headache to DarkOz and just drink my Hennessy and collect what the man gives me.

I don't do things any differently - because the capital needed for a given business and brains all derive from me, I don't pay the people who work for me anything on par with full partnership. But I don't pay them slave labor rates either.

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I really don't have to answer this nonsense because the majority of AP on here do what I do. MaxPen isn't upset because he thinks my AP (scheme lol) only works by slave labor (my workers make between $450 and $750 an hour but not every hour).

The people like Max Pen on here know the reason things sometimes don't work with multicarding is not because the scheme doesn't work but because it does work and casinos will try to shut it down.

You think MaxPen would be so livid about people discussing schemes that DON'T work.

Meanwhile you talk about about wild Baccarat and Blackjack fantasies but admit without a job in California you would not be able to survive.

I hear California has a large homeless population. Make sure you plan for your retirement by investing in a nice tent.

Your response is DarkOz all the way!

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One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

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That would mean you are around your wife all the time. If not, then it’s definitely not 0%. She could still be with someone when you aren't around.

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One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

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But theoretically, even if she and her Husband or Significant Other were still together, YOU could still be held accountable since it's YOUR child. Wait a minute. In your situation, is the Woman STILL pregnant or has she already given birth to the child? There's a huge difference between someone who's STILL pregnant and someone who's already given birth. If she's STILL pregnant, you could just be a deadbeat Father and run to another State or something like that, somewhere that she has no idea where you are and live your life without paying for the unborn child, you could be in big trouble if she's already given birth and can prove that YOU are her child's Father. You could be on the hook for that child for 18 years.

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You're not wrong. My logic is, provided the two remained together, she'd be unlikely to get a paternity test in the first place. I'm not quite sure of the order of events between the kid being born and the couple parting ways; I'm not certain the order in which those two things happen matters. I figure, as long as they are together, the guy is going to want to keep up appearances---hence no paternity test. Given that they are swingers, he'd already be aware that the kid might not be his. After they part ways, he will probably demand a paternity test on the grounds that the kid might not be his; it saves him money if it ends up not being.

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I don't see any evidence that you're doing things any differently today than in your pre-homeless period. Just blowing everything that comes your way, no solid investments (CYDY is at 18 cents now, no?), no long term tangible investments like real estate, idea of saving is money in the mattress.

And putting out that you're spending $20K on a vacation as evidence of financial wherewithal...is DarkOz thinking and attitude all the way!

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When it comes to actual Advantage Play, you know absolutely nothing. No one but degens and chip porn seekers gives a shit about your Baccarat and Blackjack BS. No one has ever asked you to stop talking about your gambling to protect any trade secrets... we just asked you to stop talking period, because you are full of shit.

Name one person other than yourself that you have helped make any money, and other than Mike $500 that ultimately you fucked out of DarkOZ?

For a former homeless guy at least DarkOz has contributed something to the community.
I believe he even paid, $500 towards a WOV meet up dinner and didn't even go himself.

You shore doe sound angry!

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if you think I take anything a Falling Down Drunk says seriously, who has supposedly spent his whole adult life in casinos but still thought that markers with the signature torn out might not yet have been redeemed.

https://i.imgur.com/vsKE82Dl.jpg

You SHOULD take AW seriously, Dawg: he's been a respected member on these forums for quite awhile: the Wiz vouches for him, IIRC.

As for you ... bwa ha ha ha ... always trying to tear down your detractors using condescension and a sneering attitude when in fact you bring nothing to the table.

You are, as they say, "A legend in your own mind:" to the remainder of we regular posters you're just another bullshit artist with an inferiority complex.

You show pictures of cash, chips and watches while tooting your own horn: clown show.

Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

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Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

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Fool, I don't drink alcohol, and I regularly take breaks from cannabis consumption; besides, cannabis is not addictive.

As for the similarity of our opinion of you: it's pretty much the same thing across the board at all the forums.

Those who don't flame you recognize your bullshit for what it is and choose not to engage: AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

You're the forums' hemorrhoid and we're Preparation H.

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Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

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---> Whose Boat Is This Boat?: Comments That Don't Help in the Aftermath of a Hurricane.

https://anagram-solver.net/%20%20%20...0?partial=true

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Those who don't flame you recognize your bullshit for what it is and choose not to engage: AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

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Most APs on most forums chose not to engage in this kind of shit. Some take the position that a clown pushing voodoo type propaganda is actually good for us (and it is). But, most just can't be bothered. That is why it was so unusual and astonishing to see so many come out call out Mdawg at the start of this silly adventure thread, willing to take suspension, ect. Some even resigned WoV in protest. And that is the real shame of it: This clown has not only pushed his fantasy bullshit claims for 5 years now, but drove away many good posters....real players. Some f us thing that was his intent all along....to make a mockery of WoV and Shackleford. And to that extent....I guess he has succeeded. :(

And then the attacking began. Just like Singer before him, Mdawg personally attacks anyone who dares challenge or say they don't believe him. Any real player who has ever shared some tidbit of information that can be used against them, he will. That is why so few share anything.

---With MrV it is that he smokes weed, which is legal and nothing wrong with that if you do so responsibly, which it appears he does.

---With Axelwolf it is calling him a drunk based on one night that someone else shared that they had no business sharing. Even if Axelwolf drinks regularly (which I doubt), that is his business. If it effected his AP play and life, we would have heard more about it.

---With Darkoz, Mdawg harps on a homeless period many years ago.

---With me he doesn't even harp on something from the past he just makes shit up. Male prostitute. Homeless living in the tunnels of LV. Sometimes he speculates that I am a woman. He used to say I didn't live in Las Vegas, until Dan Druff, stepped in and verified I did. His latest is that I am a Pacific Islander, which I am not even sure what that is about. I guess he doesn't like Pacific Islanders, so he thinks that is a put down. Well, I am not Pacific Islander, nor even get the reference.

This guy Mdawg, is nothing more than a garden variety troll on the internet. He thought he could post pictures of cash and chips, casino checks and watches? And whatever else he posts and that would give him credibility. Those things, especially the casino checks, just don't prove anything, certainly not what he claims they prove.

And he tries so hard with this shit, anyone should see what is happening. I think everyone does see what is happening. Even Rob Singer spotted it in the early days of this...whatever it is (adventure)?

Yeah, some of us may waste some time on this guy, pointing out his absurdities, like a $100-$5000 bet spread on the strip playing double deck blackjack for 10 hours, or claim of 50 straight winning blackjack hands, or all the winning claimed while getting comped suites FOR YEARS NOW!

But that is just entertainment. At the end of the day, no matter what anybody many or may not say, no matter who supports him, thinking he is funny or his whole troll act is entertaining, no one really believes his story. Vegas just isn't allowing players to win and comping them high end everything for YEARS THAT is fantasy!

That is just not how it works!

Losing players get comps and all those freebies, like Mdawg claims he gets. Winning players don't. Most winning players have to try best they can to hide what they are doing and move around a lot. What this person describes is I think inspired by the movies and shit he is so obsessed with, but it is just not reality. It is completely detached from the reality of what Las Vegas and the gambling industry is in 2023.

Now stand by for some quotes from other people taken out of context. :D


By the way, there is a very simple way to get to the bottom of this very quickly and definitively. Mdawg could just release Michael Shackelford from the NDA (gag order) that Mdawg had him sign and allow Shackleford to say what he thinks about Mdawgs play.

Ridiculous that Shackleford would have signed such a thing in the first place. Shackleford is regarded as a Gambling expert. Why on earth would he agree NOT to express his opinion on something like this? :confused: That Mdawg even made that stipulation, really says all that need be said. :D

https://i.imgur.com/ynK7Hgch.jpg

Apparently not.

With 10x multiplier responses no less!

Good post, KJ: about sums it up.

I am remineded of something Honest Abe said: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

The Dawg TRIES to be convincing, TRIES to be persuasive, but his arrogance and lack of coherence proves his claims, like his alleged LV "mansion" are in fact made of straw.

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Apparently not.

With 10x multiplier responses no less!

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That's about the extent of it, but, he'll have to stop when every one else stops, which isn't too far off. I'd have to think.

P.S. Always best to quit before you have to. Ha.


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Originally Posted by MisterV

AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

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Why is that a good thing?

From what I've read, MDawg retaliated after he was insulted by other members,
and many of the insults originally involved conjecture...that is to say, they made stuff up about him.

That's egregious, and it continues to this day...to this very hour!

It's not the same as making stuff up about one's self, which damages no one else.

So who can blame him? MD has a legitimate grievance.

But why insult him in the first place?

Does it make you feel better?

Nobody insulted Mdawg initially. People and quite a few, said something to the effect that they didn't believe this story or claims. Mdawg took that and went running to wizard claiming that these people were calling him a liar. Not a single person used that escalated rhetoric. Do people not have a right to say I don't believe something? (and then give reasons why?)

It was Mdawg that immediately started escalating into personal attacks of anyone who said they didn't believe him. He couldn't do that at WoV, so he took it to another forum and started individual threads with each persons handl e(name) in the title and then attacking that person, with lies.

This is NOT normal behavior. People have a right to believe or not believe whatever they want (including the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy). I have always said that even about my own claims. People have a right to believe whatever they like. What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him. This is actually an old attorney's trick of attempting to discredit a witness that will say something damaging to your client. THAT is what Mdawg does.

I have always looked at someone saying they have doubts or don't believe something I said as an opportunity, to explain things that weren't explained clearly before. Clarify something that might be misunderstood. That type of thing. Of course that only works when you are dealing with reasonable people and not people just playing games because they like all the trolling and attacks. We are long past that on this forum.

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What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him.

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You did the exact same thing with your count 2 tables nonsense.

The WOV game is to try to insult others without getting suspended.

The admins ruled the offending posts to be insults.

I also recall blatant insults that members made, with the intention of getting suspended.

Somebody recently wrote about that right here.

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What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him.

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Not even an average run of the mill hypocrite could be so utterly blind.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I think kewlJ doesn't understand why so many people here dislike him.

It's not just that he lies. We've had lots of liars on this forum.

It's the seriousness with which kewlJ tells these lies, and then lashes out at those who doubt them. There's a certain arrogance to those posts, in the tone, "Of course this is fucking true, and you're a complete idiot for even doubting this."

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It takes a real sociopathic liar to fail to see that he's guilty of what he thinks he sees in others.

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Originally Posted by Punkcity

Yes you must be so sad as your posts are about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

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There's absolutely nothing the UNKewlJ has proffered as "truth," that he hasn't tried to back up with easily disproven lies, in some cases lies so blatant that even he has ended up copping to them. In every case, whether the fictional backrooming story, his claim that MDawg doesn't win, the shuffling story, whatever - he has always, in desperation, made up some nonsense to try to back up the claim when he's felt like his point isn't getting through. That's the way he operates - period.

Tell a story. Hope it sticks. When it doesn't, make up "corroborating" lies to try to back it up. Those lies might be, a made up lawsuit. An electronic transfer of funds landing on a non-banking Saturday. They might be a story about MGM execs showing up at a ratty apartment on a Sunday on Halloween with player records. They might be about some fictional programmer/hacker who did this or that to prove whatever it is UNKewlJ is hoping to prove. A lie about how his "username KewlJ" is in a database. Unnamed, unknown "APs" who can back up his story (but never come forward, never are named). The list goes on and on.

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This is why MickeyCrimm said: He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

UNKewlJ follows a regular pattern of spouting nonsense and then when challenged trying to back it up with unverifiable hearsay. Individually they don't mean as much as collectively. Collectively this draws into question his entire projected persona and existence.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you:(

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