How exactly does Darkoz's Player's Club Cards Team work?

[MDawg]

The main reason his scheme works is he has all these street people working for him at slave labor rates. Plus they must all be low intelligence on par with someone like say UNKewlJ, to not just figure out that they would be better off just doing whatever is going on by themselves. Obviously not one has even saved up enough bankroll to pull off the scheme on his own.

Also some probably noticed that the schemes don't even always work, sometimes lose money, so figured, I'll leave the headache to DarkOz and just drink my Hennessy and collect what the man gives me.

I don't do things any differently - because the capital needed for a given business and brains all derive from me, I don't pay the people who work for me anything on par with full partnership. But I don't pay them slave labor rates either.

[Darkoz]

The main reason his scheme works is he has all these street people working for him at slave labor rates. Plus they must all be low intelligence on par with someone like say UNKewlJ, to not just figure out that they would be better off just doing whatever is going on by themselves. Obviously not one has even saved up enough bankroll to pull off the scheme on his own.

Also some probably noticed that the schemes don't even always work, sometimes lose money, so figured, I'll leave the headache to DarkOz and just drink my Hennessy and collect what the man gives me.

I don't do things any differently - because the capital needed for a given business and brains all derive from me, I don't pay the people who work for me anything on par with full partnership. But I don't pay them slave labor rates either.

I really don't have to answer this nonsense because the majority of AP on here do what I do. MaxPen isn't upset because he thinks my AP (scheme lol) only works by slave labor (my workers make between $450 and $750 an hour but not every hour).

The people like Max Pen on here know the reason things sometimes don't work with multicarding is not because the scheme doesn't work but because it does work and casinos will try to shut it down.

You think MaxPen would be so livid about people discussing schemes that DON'T work.

Meanwhile you talk about about wild Baccarat and Blackjack fantasies but admit without a job in California you would not be able to survive.

I hear California has a large homeless population. Make sure you plan for your retirement by investing in a nice tent.

[MDawg]

Your response is DarkOz all the way!

[Mission146]

One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

That would mean you are around your wife all the time. If not, then it’s definitely not 0%. She could still be with someone when you aren't around.

It's more likely that I get three dealt Royals running the very next time I play VP than her cheating on me. I take your point, though.

[Mission146]

One other thing is the probability that my fiancée gives me an STI is 0%.

Also, what would happen if you got a different woman pregnant, and inexplicably, she decided to keep it? After that, imagine she and her husband or significant other split up so now she wants to hold you accountable. That would be a disaster.

But theoretically, even if she and her Husband or Significant Other were still together, YOU could still be held accountable since it's YOUR child. Wait a minute. In your situation, is the Woman STILL pregnant or has she already given birth to the child? There's a huge difference between someone who's STILL pregnant and someone who's already given birth. If she's STILL pregnant, you could just be a deadbeat Father and run to another State or something like that, somewhere that she has no idea where you are and live your life without paying for the unborn child, you could be in big trouble if she's already given birth and can prove that YOU are her child's Father. You could be on the hook for that child for 18 years.

You're not wrong. My logic is, provided the two remained together, she'd be unlikely to get a paternity test in the first place. I'm not quite sure of the order of events between the kid being born and the couple parting ways; I'm not certain the order in which those two things happen matters. I figure, as long as they are together, the guy is going to want to keep up appearances---hence no paternity test. Given that they are swingers, he'd already be aware that the kid might not be his. After they part ways, he will probably demand a paternity test on the grounds that the kid might not be his; it saves him money if it ends up not being.

[AxelWolf]

Being free enough to spend twenty grand on a vacation. Done, doing that now.

I don't see any evidence that you're doing things any differently today than in your pre-homeless period. Just blowing everything that comes your way, no solid investments (CYDY is at 18 cents now, no?), no long term tangible investments like real estate, idea of saving is money in the mattress.

And putting out that you're spending $20K on a vacation as evidence of financial wherewithal...is DarkOz thinking and attitude all the way!

I doubt one of his watches if broken has much value just for parts

Try not to spout off when you're not only wrong but showing how you know nothing about the subject, a la AxelWolf.

When it comes to actual Advantage Play, you know absolutely nothing. No one but degens and chip porn seekers gives a shit about your Baccarat and Blackjack BS. No one has ever asked you to stop talking about your gambling to protect any trade secrets... we just asked you to stop talking period, because you are full of shit.

Name one person other than yourself that you have helped make any money, and other than Mike $500 that ultimately you fucked out of DarkOZ?

For a former homeless guy at least DarkOz has contributed something to the community.
I believe he even paid, $500 towards a WOV meet up dinner and didn't even go himself.

[MDawg]

You shore doe sound angry!

And

you must have me confused with some other sumbitch

if you think I take anything a Falling Down Drunk says seriously, who has supposedly spent his whole adult life in casinos but still thought that markers with the signature torn out might not yet have been redeemed.

[MisterV]

You SHOULD take AW seriously, Dawg: he's been a respected member on these forums for quite awhile: the Wiz vouches for him, IIRC.

As for you ... bwa ha ha ha ... always trying to tear down your detractors using condescension and a sneering attitude when in fact you bring nothing to the table.

You are, as they say, "A legend in your own mind:" to the remainder of we regular posters you're just another bullshit artist with an inferiority complex.

You show pictures of cash, chips and watches while tooting your own horn: clown show.

[MDawg]

Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

[MisterV]

Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

Fool, I don't drink alcohol, and I regularly take breaks from cannabis consumption; besides, cannabis is not addictive.

As for the similarity of our opinion of you: it's pretty much the same thing across the board at all the forums.

Those who don't flame you recognize your bullshit for what it is and choose not to engage: AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

You're the forums' hemorrhoid and we're Preparation H.

[Gottlob1]

Funny how two addict alcoholics post back to back, within the same few posts in a thread, and pretty much (try to) say the same thing.

---> Whose Boat Is This Boat?: Comments That Don't Help in the Aftermath of a Hurricane.

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[kewlJ]

Those who don't flame you recognize your bullshit for what it is and choose not to engage: AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

Most APs on most forums chose not to engage in this kind of shit. Some take the position that a clown pushing voodoo type propaganda is actually good for us (and it is). But, most just can't be bothered. That is why it was so unusual and astonishing to see so many come out call out Mdawg at the start of this silly adventure thread, willing to take suspension, ect. Some even resigned WoV in protest. And that is the real shame of it: This clown has not only pushed his fantasy bullshit claims for 5 years now, but drove away many good posters....real players. Some f us thing that was his intent all along....to make a mockery of WoV and Shackleford. And to that extent....I guess he has succeeded.

And then the attacking began. Just like Singer before him, Mdawg personally attacks anyone who dares challenge or say they don't believe him. Any real player who has ever shared some tidbit of information that can be used against them, he will. That is why so few share anything.

---With MrV it is that he smokes weed, which is legal and nothing wrong with that if you do so responsibly, which it appears he does.

---With Axelwolf it is calling him a drunk based on one night that someone else shared that they had no business sharing. Even if Axelwolf drinks regularly (which I doubt), that is his business. If it effected his AP play and life, we would have heard more about it.

---With Darkoz, Mdawg harps on a homeless period many years ago.

---With me he doesn't even harp on something from the past he just makes shit up. Male prostitute. Homeless living in the tunnels of LV. Sometimes he speculates that I am a woman. He used to say I didn't live in Las Vegas, until Dan Druff, stepped in and verified I did. His latest is that I am a Pacific Islander, which I am not even sure what that is about. I guess he doesn't like Pacific Islanders, so he thinks that is a put down. Well, I am not Pacific Islander, nor even get the reference.

This guy Mdawg, is nothing more than a garden variety troll on the internet. He thought he could post pictures of cash and chips, casino checks and watches? And whatever else he posts and that would give him credibility. Those things, especially the casino checks, just don't prove anything, certainly not what he claims they prove.

And he tries so hard with this shit, anyone should see what is happening. I think everyone does see what is happening. Even Rob Singer spotted it in the early days of this...whatever it is (adventure)?

Yeah, some of us may waste some time on this guy, pointing out his absurdities, like a $100-$5000 bet spread on the strip playing double deck blackjack for 10 hours, or claim of 50 straight winning blackjack hands, or all the winning claimed while getting comped suites FOR YEARS NOW!

But that is just entertainment. At the end of the day, no matter what anybody many or may not say, no matter who supports him, thinking he is funny or his whole troll act is entertaining, no one really believes his story. Vegas just isn't allowing players to win and comping them high end everything for YEARS THAT is fantasy!

That is just not how it works!

Losing players get comps and all those freebies, like Mdawg claims he gets. Winning players don't. Most winning players have to try best they can to hide what they are doing and move around a lot. What this person describes is I think inspired by the movies and shit he is so obsessed with, but it is just not reality. It is completely detached from the reality of what Las Vegas and the gambling industry is in 2023.

[kewlJ]

Now stand by for some quotes from other people taken out of context.


By the way, there is a very simple way to get to the bottom of this very quickly and definitively. Mdawg could just release Michael Shackelford from the NDA (gag order) that Mdawg had him sign and allow Shackleford to say what he thinks about Mdawgs play.

Ridiculous that Shackleford would have signed such a thing in the first place. Shackleford is regarded as a Gambling expert. Why on earth would he agree NOT to express his opinion on something like this? That Mdawg even made that stipulation, really says all that need be said.

[MDawg]

Apparently not.

With 10x multiplier responses no less!

[MisterV]

Good post, KJ: about sums it up.

I am remineded of something Honest Abe said: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

The Dawg TRIES to be convincing, TRIES to be persuasive, but his arrogance and lack of coherence proves his claims, like his alleged LV "mansion" are in fact made of straw.

[Gottlob1]

Apparently not.

With 10x multiplier responses no less!

That's about the extent of it, but, he'll have to stop when every one else stops, which isn't too far off. I'd have to think.

P.S. Always best to quit before you have to. Ha.


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[coach belly]

AW, KJ and I are different in that we not only see you for what you are, we want to insult you accordingly.

Why is that a good thing?

From what I've read, MDawg retaliated after he was insulted by other members,
and many of the insults originally involved conjecture...that is to say, they made stuff up about him.

That's egregious, and it continues to this day...to this very hour!

It's not the same as making stuff up about one's self, which damages no one else.

So who can blame him? MD has a legitimate grievance.

But why insult him in the first place?

Does it make you feel better?

[kewlJ]

Nobody insulted Mdawg initially. People and quite a few, said something to the effect that they didn't believe this story or claims. Mdawg took that and went running to wizard claiming that these people were calling him a liar. Not a single person used that escalated rhetoric. Do people not have a right to say I don't believe something? (and then give reasons why?)

It was Mdawg that immediately started escalating into personal attacks of anyone who said they didn't believe him. He couldn't do that at WoV, so he took it to another forum and started individual threads with each persons handl e(name) in the title and then attacking that person, with lies.

This is NOT normal behavior. People have a right to believe or not believe whatever they want (including the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy). I have always said that even about my own claims. People have a right to believe whatever they like. What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him. This is actually an old attorney's trick of attempting to discredit a witness that will say something damaging to your client. THAT is what Mdawg does.

I have always looked at someone saying they have doubts or don't believe something I said as an opportunity, to explain things that weren't explained clearly before. Clarify something that might be misunderstood. That type of thing. Of course that only works when you are dealing with reasonable people and not people just playing games because they like all the trolling and attacks. We are long past that on this forum.

[coach belly]

What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him.

You did the exact same thing with your count 2 tables nonsense.

The WOV game is to try to insult others without getting suspended.

The admins ruled the offending posts to be insults.

I also recall blatant insults that members made, with the intention of getting suspended.

Somebody recently wrote about that right here.

[MDawg]

What I object to is making up complete bullshit lies in an attempt to discredit anyone who dared say they didn't believe him.

Not even an average run of the mill hypocrite could be so utterly blind.

I think kewlJ doesn't understand why so many people here dislike him.

It's not just that he lies. We've had lots of liars on this forum.

It's the seriousness with which kewlJ tells these lies, and then lashes out at those who doubt them. There's a certain arrogance to those posts, in the tone, "Of course this is fucking true, and you're a complete idiot for even doubting this."

It takes a real sociopathic liar to fail to see that he's guilty of what he thinks he sees in others.

Yes you must be so sad as your posts are about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

There's absolutely nothing the UNKewlJ has proffered as "truth," that he hasn't tried to back up with easily disproven lies, in some cases lies so blatant that even he has ended up copping to them. In every case, whether the fictional backrooming story, his claim that MDawg doesn't win, the shuffling story, whatever - he has always, in desperation, made up some nonsense to try to back up the claim when he's felt like his point isn't getting through. That's the way he operates - period.

Tell a story. Hope it sticks. When it doesn't, make up "corroborating" lies to try to back it up. Those lies might be, a made up lawsuit. An electronic transfer of funds landing on a non-banking Saturday. They might be a story about MGM execs showing up at a ratty apartment on a Sunday on Halloween with player records. They might be about some fictional programmer/hacker who did this or that to prove whatever it is UNKewlJ is hoping to prove. A lie about how his "username KewlJ" is in a database. Unnamed, unknown "APs" who can back up his story (but never come forward, never are named). The list goes on and on.

This is why MickeyCrimm said: He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

UNKewlJ follows a regular pattern of spouting nonsense and then when challenged trying to back it up with unverifiable hearsay. Individually they don't mean as much as collectively. Collectively this draws into question his entire projected persona and existence.

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you