Mdawg's current Vegas trip

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Originally Posted by MDawg

pretending

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Pretending is an excellent segway. Thank you for that.

While the great Mdawg has been here at VCT manipulating you haters with his carefully crafted agenda, over at WoV, Mdawg is 45 days into his current Las Vegas trip. To date, he is up $339,000, playing rated, with all nights comped in luxury suites and all meals comped.

Now before anyone says well high rollers can have trips like that. This isn't an odd occurrence. EVERY trip he has posted over the last 5 years have been like this (although one he revised to "about even" when he got caught).

Welcome to the NEW Las Vegas.....Mdawg's Las Vegas, where they hand out buckets and buckets of money, comped suites and meals just for the asking. Where casinos aren't in the business of making money.

Is this the way Las vegas really works? Anyone? Anyone? Maxpen?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

pretending

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Pretending is an excellent segway. Thank you for that.

While the great Mdawg has been here at VCT manipulating you haters with his carefully crafted agenda, over at WoV, Mdawg is 45 days into his current Las Vegas trip. To date, he is up $339,000, playing rated, with all nights comped in luxury suites and all meals comped.

Now before anyone says well high rollers can have trips like that. This isn't an odd occurrence. EVERY trip he has posted over the last 5 years have been like this (although one he revised to "about even" when he got caught).

Welcome to the NEW Las Vegas.....Mdawg's Las Vegas, where they hand out buckets and buckets of money, comped suites and meals just for the asking. Where casinos aren't in the business of making money.

Is this the way Las vegas really works? Anyone? Anyone? Maxpen?

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Yes because they don’t know what he is doing. Well played by the dawg. You wouldn’t understand because you don’t actually have the bankroll to bet at his level. Sorry fraud j

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

pretending

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Pretending is an excellent segway. Thank you for that.

While the great Mdawg has been here at VCT manipulating you haters with his carefully crafted agenda, over at WoV, Mdawg is 45 days into his current Las Vegas trip. To date, he is up $339,000, playing rated, with all nights comped in luxury suites and all meals comped.

Now before anyone says well high rollers can have trips like that. This isn't an odd occurrence. EVERY trip he has posted over the last 5 years have been like this (although one he revised to "about even" when he got caught).

Welcome to the NEW Las Vegas.....Mdawg's Las Vegas, where they hand out buckets and buckets of money, comped suites and meals just for the asking. Where casinos aren't in the business of making money.

Is this the way Las vegas really works? Anyone? Anyone? Maxpen?

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Yes because they don’t know what he is doing. Well played by the dawg. You wouldn’t understand because you don’t actually have the bankroll to bet at his level. Sorry fraud j

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Generally when they don't know what the player is doing, they will get the boot that much quicker. There is nothing more frightening to a casino than a player that beats you repetitively, and you can't figure out why. Their first thought is usually cheating, some type of collusion with the dealer. At least with known AP techniques, they have the option to "test him out" to see if in fact playing with an advantage.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Generally when they don't know what the player is doing, they will get the boot that much quicker.

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I suspect this is correct. The idea that a casino can't figure out what a player is doing, so they will just allow him to sit there day after day, for years winning millions is as unrealistic as every other part of this story.

Those of us that have been backed off at any time in the last 15 years, the era of "polite" backoffs, probably heard one of the following as a reason: 1) management decision, 2) some variation of "you are too good" or "your game is to good", or 3) no reason even given. BECAUSE they don't HAVE to give a reason. If you are winning, beyond just variance or good luck, and years and years and winning millions is far beyond variance or good luck, so it doesn't matter if it is an advantage play, the player is cheating, the player is the luckiest person ever on the face of the planet, or they can't figure out which. They are NOT going to allow a player, playing rated no less, so they know exactly what he has won, to sit there and bankrupt the casino. THAT is not the way this works. It is a fun story, but not realistic.

Furthermore, it isn't just the casino that has an interest to halt a player that wins too much (even if they can't figure it out), but each individual pit person. Pit people are responsible for tables. Now any table can come up in the red for a shift or night due to normal variance. Especially if a bigger bettor was playing and won. But when a table that a pit person is responsible for comes up a loser shift after shift after shift, that person is going to lose their job! So it is just ridiculous to think the pit people don't care.

Absolutely they will try to figure out what the players is doing, advantage play cheating ect. And that process may involve calling in experts like the story Eliot relayed, but in the end, Casinos just do not let a player win for years and years like this at a table game that is closely monitored.

Final issue is Mdawg and his supporters, despite his crazy statements over the years, are trying to float the narrative that he is doing something that no one knows or understands. That he has figured out something no one else has. And I guess this thing he has figured works not only at baccarat but blackjack too, because his claims are split almost evenly now between the games. Even more bizarre is this secret thing works with stocks as well, because every one of his stock picks is a winner as well (after the fact). :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

By the way PositiveVariance, little brother, Mom asked that you wear something decent tomorrow for Thanksgiving. :cool:

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Final issue is Mdawg and his supporters, despite his crazy statements over the years, are trying to float the narrative that he is doing something that no one knows or understands.

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*waves hand*

I know, I know!

Obviously the dawg has used his considerable wealth to somehow bribe Spike, aka Ever the Boob, to tell him exactly how he makes "educated guesses" to win every session at the casino.

Of course; what else could it be?

The dawg, clever lad that he is, probably sealed Spike's lips with a NDA, just like he did the Wiz.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Generally when they don't know what the player is doing, they will get the boot that much quicker.

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I suspect this is correct. The idea that a casino can't figure out what a player is doing, so they will just allow him to sit there day after day, for years winning millions is as unrealistic as every other part of this story.

Those of us that have been backed off at any time in the last 15 years, the era of "polite" backoffs, probably heard one of the following as a reason: 1) management decision, 2) some variation of "you are too good" or "your game is to good", or 3) no reason even given. BECAUSE they don't HAVE to give a reason. If you are winning, beyond just variance or good luck, and years and years and winning millions is far beyond variance or good luck, so it doesn't matter if it is an advantage play, the player is cheating, the player is the luckiest person ever on the face of the planet, or they can't figure out which. They are NOT going to allow a player, playing rated no less, so they know exactly what he has won, to sit there and bankrupt the casino. THAT is not the way this works. It is a fun story, but not realistic.

Furthermore, it isn't just the casino that has an interest to halt a player that wins too much (even if they can't figure it out), but each individual pit person. Pit people are responsible for tables. Now any table can come up in the red for a shift or night due to normal variance. Especially if a bigger bettor was playing and won. But when a table that a pit person is responsible for comes up a loser shift after shift after shift, that person is going to lose their job! So it is just ridiculous to think the pit people don't care.

Absolutely they will try to figure out what the players is doing, advantage play cheating ect. And that process may involve calling in experts like the story Eliot relayed, but in the end, Casinos just do not let a player win for years and years like this at a table game that is closely monitored.

Final issue is Mdawg and his supporters, despite his crazy statements over the years, are trying to float the narrative that he is doing something that no one knows or understands. That he has figured out something no one else has. And I guess this thing he has figured works not only at baccarat but blackjack too, because his claims are split almost evenly now between the games. Even more bizarre is this secret thing works with stocks as well, because every one of his stock picks is a winner as well (after the fact). :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

By the way PositiveVariance, little brother, Mom asked that you wear something decent tomorrow for Thanksgiving. :cool:

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Hes betting 20k a hand 330k is like when you win $85 red chipping. Do they throw people out for winning $85 ?

Like I said you guys don’t have a clue because you have never run high stakes tables plays. But it sure is fun watching the broke boys get mad about him winning lol

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Like I said you guys don’t have a clue because you have never run high stakes tables plays. But it sure is fun watching the broke boys get mad about him winning lol

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Nobody gives a flying fuck if a big bettor has some winning sessions; the questioning begins when the braggart claims he pretty much always wins (dawg) or always wins (fucknut in western Michigan).

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Like I said you guys don’t have a clue because you have never run high stakes tables plays. But it sure is fun watching the broke boys get mad about him winning lol

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Nobody gives a flying fuck if a big bettor has some winning sessions; the questioning begins when the braggart claims he pretty much always wins (dawg) or always wins (fucknut in western Michigan).

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The problem is you guys are fixated on the win total and not the unit size. Your like OMG he won 300k yeah he won 15 units.

He wins and won’t tell anyone how and trolls the broke boys while doing it. Funny shit

The NDA is for a reason

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

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Like I said you guys don’t have a clue because you have never run high stakes tables plays. But it sure is fun watching the broke boys get mad about him winning lol

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Nobody gives a flying fuck if a big bettor has some winning sessions; the questioning begins when the braggart claims he pretty much always wins (dawg) or always wins (fucknut in western Michigan).

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The problem is you guys are fixated on the win total and not the unit size. Your like OMG he won 300k yeah he won 15 units.

He wins and won’t tell anyone how and trolls the broke boys while doing it. Funny shit

The NDA is for a reason

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You guys don’t know what he’s doing because you don’t have the money to play at his level. If you did or have played 10k plus a hand before you would know what’s possible and negotiable. It’s not my place to explain what he’s doing. He knows I have and idea of how it works. Maybe smoke a bowl and use all your pot head super powers to figure it out

He wins figure it out don’t let his trolling cloud your judgment
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Seedvalue, have you read Mdawgs adventure and the claims within? because what you are saying is NOT what he claims.

He claims that he bets a couple hundred and then when the shoe is "ripe", he jumps his bet up to $2000, $3000, sometimes $5000. There has only been 1 or 2 times in 5 years that he has mentioned wagering $10,000 or $20,000 and that has been when he was way down, so he was more or less "chasing".

If you look at this current 45 day trip, mixed in with some larger day wins and losses are some wins and losses of:

Day 3, +$2000
Day 6, -$300
Day 11, -$1100
Day 17, +$1100
Day 18, +$600
Day 25, +$1500

He has reported wins and losses of $100, or $140 at times. Does this sound like the results of someone wagering $20k a hand? What player wagering $20k a hand stops at a few hundred dollars?

And THAT is the difference between the story Eliot told us that he was called in to evaluate, a high roller that was betting very large, so him being up a couple million after half dozen trips really was just variance. Mdawgs large wagers, most at $2000, $3000, even $5000, and being up $339k is not the same kind of "just variance". And if you add it up over the 5 years and figure he is several million ahead betting these amounts, it is even more not "just variance".

One final thing. I believe you are a top player, who makes big money and does all sorts of different AP plays. During your time here you have talked a good deal about multi-carding, because that is now pretty well known. But I am guessing there were times you were doing things that weren't well known, either by casinos or other players. So my question: Did you run to not one but 4 or 5 forums posting in detail exactly how much you won every day and at times even list the casinos? Does that really sound like something someone that had discovered something that no one else knows about, including casinos would do? Or would they keep their mouth shut? Answer seriously please.

And finally, I can pull some quotes of really ridiculous things he has said. Ploppy, voodoo things. Like, one time he said he sets a goal and stops when he gets there. You know Stop Limits. ;) Just many different things that no AP would say. Another time he indicated he wins because he has a bigger bankroll, as if saying a larger bankroll can overcome -Ev and turn it +EV.

I get that you want to support him, for whatever reason. Maybe you legitimately believe him. All I am asking is take a read of some of what he has written and then make an honest assesment.

In the 5 years Mdawg has posted this 'adventure' he claims to have won several million dollars combined, while being comped somewhere between 200 and 300 nights a year in high end suites. (1000-1500 nights total)

At the very beginning of this adventure, someone asked Mdawg "Why do the casinos let you keep coming back while showering you with gifts?"

When he ignored the question and didn't answer that person responded with this:

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I'll help you out here.

MD didn't help his cause or whatever it is, by claiming casinos don't bother stopping players who consistently win at -EV games. That tells me he is nothing more than a losing degenerate gambler who doesn't care how much of his net worth he loses or gives away as foolish tips on his LV visits. As Boz said, he loves the attention and admiration he gets from tipping, and no casino who loses at any game on a regular basis to a player would ever just keep showering him with freebies, knowing he's taking their cash along with it. That does not and would not happen. Period. Almost exactly like the Bob Dancer model, only he never provides pictures.

MD may not be a bad guy, but he reminds me an awful lot like an ostentatious Stephen Paddock.

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That person was Rob Singer. And that question is just as valid today as it was several years ago. Probably more.

When you subtract all the trolling and dislike of that person, support this person because you dislike another. You know all the "politics" of the forum, you are left with one "undeniable truth" (<-:D). And that is that what Mdawg claims is just not the way Las vegas or the casino industry works. It just isn't!!! It is much more like one of these movie he likes and posts clips of.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

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Pretending is an excellent segway. Thank you for that.

While the great Mdawg has been here at VCT manipulating you haters with his carefully crafted agenda, over at WoV, Mdawg is 45 days into his current Las Vegas trip. To date, he is up $339,000, playing rated, with all nights comped in luxury suites and all meals comped.

Now before anyone says well high rollers can have trips like that. This isn't an odd occurrence. EVERY trip he has posted over the last 5 years have been like this (although one he revised to "about even" when he got caught).

Welcome to the NEW Las Vegas.....Mdawg's Las Vegas, where they hand out buckets and buckets of money, comped suites and meals just for the asking. Where casinos aren't in the business of making money.

Is this the way Las vegas really works? Anyone? Anyone? Maxpen?

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There's a reason I have never entered into the questioning of MDawg's claims. Are you getting the whole story? No

If you feel he is incorrectly claiming a session take him up on his challenge. Hell take him up multiple times on his challenge.

What you need to do is ask yourself how a guy plays at the level he's playing for years so frequently.

Bottom left me is you're not looking at all the possibilities. Do I know exactly what is going on? No, but I have an idea.

I'm definitely not taking the challenges and I'm definitely not interested in laying out what I think is going on in a public forum.

Maxpen, here is the Mdawg challenge:

I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.

There are two problems for me, which is why I never took up the challenge. "Let's work out how to verify the session to your satisfaction using Wizard as the judge."

First, I don't and wouldn't accept Wizard as Judge. I don't say that to be mean, but I don't know what is going on between these two. Wizard agreeing to an NDA to not say what he saw is BIZARRE! Mike is a gambling math expert. Everyone wants to hear what he thinks.

I can't even be sure money hasn't changed hands (payoff) that allows Mdawg to keep posting this stuff on a forum supposed to be about the math? What about when the Mdawg thread which Wizard agree to be hidden was returned to public view? Was he paid off for that reversal? Really, I am not accusing Mike of anything, I just can't be sure what is going on between these two, so that Mdawg has hand picked Mike as judge, doesn't work for me.

The second thing is I am not interested in a challenge involving a session. Haven't we been there and done that. Just using a progression betting system, a player has like a 90% chance of having a winning session. Maybe more than 90%.

I am and have always been interested in long-term results. That is what I believe is defying the math.

So how would we have a wager proving long-term results. I won't accept win-loss statements that can be doctored (shades of Singer). I would want to see it with my own eyes. Like a months worth of play. And lets just see if those results match ANY months worth of play that he has posted? AND because he doxxed me, and I am sure would use any new information, I am not comfortable meeting him to verify. So I would need someone I trusted to record a months worth of sessions on video, to see if they match anything he has posted.

Bottom, line, I don't think there are terms that would meet my satisfaction, so there was no sense in wasting time.

Also, Maxpen, I will ask you the same question I asked seedvalue. If Mdawg was really doing something that no one knew about, including casinos, would he be posting in real time, on 4-5 forums, showing daily results, and mentioning the casinos? Does that really make sense to you?

I will bet you too have at one time or another found some play that no one knew about. Did you immediately run to multiple forums and post details like this? Or did you keep your mouth shut?

add on: Lets not forget, one of the more recent explanations by Mdawg is that he is rainman. :D

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Maxpen, here is the Mdawg challenge:

I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.

There are two problems for me, which is why I never took up the challenge. "Let's work out how to verify the session to your satisfaction using Wizard as the judge."

First, I don't and wouldn't accept Wizard as Judge. I don't say that to be mean, but I don't know what is going on between these two. Wizard agreeing to an NDA to not say what he saw is BIZARRE! Mike is a gambling math expert. Everyone wants to hear what he thinks.

I can't even be sure money hasn't changed hands (payoff) that allows Mdawg to keep posting this stuff on a forum supposed to be about the math? What about when the Mdawg thread which Wizard agree to be hidden was returned to public view? Was he paid off for that reversal? Really, I am not accusing Mike of anything, I just can't be sure what is going on between these two, so that Mdawg has hand picked Mike as judge, doesn't work for me.

The second thing is I am not interested in a challenge involving a session. Haven't we been there and done that. Just using a progression betting system, a player has like a 90% chance of having a winning session. Maybe more than 90%.

I am and have always been interested in long-term results. That is what I believe is defying the math.

So how would we have a wager proving long-term results. I won't accept win-loss statements that can be doctored (shades of Singer). I would want to see it with my own eyes. Like a months worth of play. And lets just see if those results match ANY months worth of play that he has posted? AND because he doxxed me, and I am sure would use any new information, I am not comfortable meeting him to verify. So I would need someone I trusted to record a months worth of sessions on video, to see if they match anything he has posted.

Bottom, line, I don't think there are terms that would meet my satisfaction, so there was no sense in wasting time.

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Bottom line is you have never met anyone on any forum or had any transaction on them so don't put it off on shackleford or mdawg..

I'm not sure but it seems to me people are becoming more and more insane on this board.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Also, Maxpen, I will ask you the same question I asked seedvalue. If Mdawg was really doing something that no one knew about, including casinos, would he be posting in real time, on 4-5 forums, showing daily results, and mentioning the casinos? Does that really make sense to you?

I will bet you too have at one time or another found some play that no one knew about. Did you immediately run to multiple forums and post details like this? Or did you keep your mouth shut?

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I doubt it's real time and you're not getting the whole picture. But there's not necessarily anything wrong with the picture you're getting. You are just being eaten alive by what you think you are seeing....RIP

So it appears to be mission accomplished.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Seedvalue, have you read Mdawgs adventure and the claims within? because what you are saying is NOT what he claims.

He claims that he bets a couple hundred and then when the shoe is "ripe", he jumps his bet up to $2000, $3000, sometimes $5000. There has only been 1 or 2 times in 5 years that he has mentioned wagering $10,000 or $20,000 and that has been when he was way down, so he was more or less "chasing".

If you look at this current 45 day trip, mixed in with some larger day wins and losses are some wins and losses of:

Day 3, +$2000
Day 6, -$300
Day 11, -$1100
Day 17, +$1100
Day 18, +$600
Day 25, +$1500

He has reported wins and losses of $100, or $140 at times. Does this sound like the results of someone wagering $20k a hand? What player wagering $20k a hand stops at a few hundred dollars?

And THAT is the difference between the story Eliot told us that he was called in to evaluate, a high roller that was betting very large, so him being up a couple million after half dozen trips really was just variance. Mdawgs large wagers, most at $2000, $3000, even $5000, and being up $339k is not the same kind of "just variance". And if you add it up over the 5 years and figure he is several million ahead betting these amounts, it is even more not "just variance".

One final thing. I believe you are a top player, who makes big money and does all sorts of different AP plays. During your time here you have talked a good deal about multi-carding, because that is now pretty well known. But I am guessing there were times you were doing things that weren't well known, either by casinos or other players. So my question: Did you run to not one but 4 or 5 forums posting in detail exactly how much you won every day and at times even list the casinos? Does that really sound like something someone that had discovered something that no one else knows about, including casinos would do? Or would they keep their mouth shut? Answer seriously please.

And finally, I can pull some quotes of really ridiculous things he has said. Ploppy, voodoo things. Like, one time he said he sets a goal and stops when he gets there. You know Stop Limits. ;) Just many different things that no AP would say. Another time he indicated he wins because he has a bigger bankroll, as if saying a larger bankroll can overcome -Ev and turn it +EV.

I get that you want to support him, for whatever reason. Maybe you legitimately believe him. All I am asking is take a read of some of what he has written and then make an honest assesment.

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You have some valid points, but you don’t have all the information. Take him up on a challenge if you don’t believe him, and let us know what happens. I for one won’t be doing so. Just like I said Mdawg should not take the bet with Axel on getting a check from the casino for verified wins. I know there was some back and forth and some technical details I may have missed on that, but I know Axel can do it.

To answer your other question no I have not read everything he posted. I actually have plays to run, and many things going on. However I did read everything up to a certain point when I had covid, and came to my own conclusion then tested my theory in a casino. At the time I just so happen to be running a play on a electronic baccarat machine so I was deep into the math of side bets, comps, and other things related to the game. My game had bets not yet discussed openly on forums, and there was a game mechanic not known to many unless you had access to the manuals.

We ended up having brain storming sessions with the assumption that Mdawg was in fact winning, but was most definitely leaving our certain aspects of the play. I had a young college age girl on my team who came up with most likely scenario. Without giving anything away we found and edge to be had in certain casinos. Not all

Look I don’t know if everything he says is absolutely the truth. I don’t get his obsession with posting on these boards, but I know enough not to take him up on his challenge. You can do whatever you want

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Bottom line is you have never met anyone on any forum or had any transaction on them so don't put it off on shackleford or mdawg..

I'm not sure but it seems to me people are becoming more and more insane on this board.

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I have a long standing policy, that if someone engages civilly and somewhat respectful, I will engage and try to have a reasonable conversation, even if they have trolled me in the past.

That said, I am done with you. You just want to repeat the same points. This is an anonymous gambling forum. That you and others now seem to want there to be some requirement that someone can't be anonymous and HAS to meet someone is bullshit. I would have never come here if that was a rule. If it is a new rule, have Dan Druff post it. BUT YOU don't get to make up the rules.

Additionally in your last post, you re-hashed your whole conspiracy theory about male prostitution. I don't for the life of me, know how you are not embarrased to post such nonsense. And then at the end you wrote, And if it is not that then he got money from a sugardaddy.

Guess what that is called AinQ? It is called throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks. And if it isn't that, then it is this, and if not that, then maybe he won the lottery and if not that, maybe someone in his family invented the paperclip and that is where his money comes from.

Just stop being an idiot dude. If you ever want to engage with me, just stop being a jackass. Otherwise write whatever you want, but don't expect me to reply. I have had enough.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Seedvalue, have you read Mdawgs adventure and the claims within? because what you are saying is NOT what he claims.

He claims that he bets a couple hundred and then when the shoe is "ripe", he jumps his bet up to $2000, $3000, sometimes $5000. There has only been 1 or 2 times in 5 years that he has mentioned wagering $10,000 or $20,000 and that has been when he was way down, so he was more or less "chasing".

If you look at this current 45 day trip, mixed in with some larger day wins and losses are some wins and losses of:

Day 3, +$2000
Day 6, -$300
Day 11, -$1100
Day 17, +$1100
Day 18, +$600
Day 25, +$1500

He has reported wins and losses of $100, or $140 at times. Does this sound like the results of someone wagering $20k a hand? What player wagering $20k a hand stops at a few hundred dollars?

And THAT is the difference between the story Eliot told us that he was called in to evaluate, a high roller that was betting very large, so him being up a couple million after half dozen trips really was just variance. Mdawgs large wagers, most at $2000, $3000, even $5000, and being up $339k is not the same kind of "just variance". And if you add it up over the 5 years and figure he is several million ahead betting these amounts, it is even more not "just variance".

One final thing. I believe you are a top player, who makes big money and does all sorts of different AP plays. During your time here you have talked a good deal about multi-carding, because that is now pretty well known. But I am guessing there were times you were doing things that weren't well known, either by casinos or other players. So my question: Did you run to not one but 4 or 5 forums posting in detail exactly how much you won every day and at times even list the casinos? Does that really sound like something someone that had discovered something that no one else knows about, including casinos would do? Or would they keep their mouth shut? Answer seriously please.

And finally, I can pull some quotes of really ridiculous things he has said. Ploppy, voodoo things. Like, one time he said he sets a goal and stops when he gets there. You know Stop Limits. ;) Just many different things that no AP would say. Another time he indicated he wins because he has a bigger bankroll, as if saying a larger bankroll can overcome -Ev and turn it +EV.

I get that you want to support him, for whatever reason. Maybe you legitimately believe him. All I am asking is take a read of some of what he has written and then make an honest assesment.

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You have some valid points, but you don’t have all the information. Take him up on a challenge if you don’t believe him, and let us know what happens. I for one won’t be doing so. Just like I said Mdawg should not take the bet with Axel on getting a check from the casino for verified wins. I know there was some back and forth and some technical details I may have missed on that, but I know Axel can do it.

To answer your other question no I have not read everything he posted. I actually have plays to run, and many things going on. However I did read everything up to a certain point when I had covid, and came to my own conclusion then tested my theory in a casino. At the time I just so happen to be running a play on a electronic baccarat machine so I was deep into the math of side bets, comps, and other things related to the game. My game had bets not yet discussed openly on forums, and there was a game mechanic not known to many unless you had access to the manuals.

We ended up having brain storming sessions with the assumption that Mdawg was in fact winning, but was most definitely leaving our certain aspects of the play. I had a young college age girl on my team who came up with most likely scenario. Without giving anything away we found and edge to be had in certain casinos. Not all

Look I don’t know if everything he says is absolutely the truth. I don’t get his obsession with posting on these boards, but I know enough not to take him up on his challenge. You can do whatever you want

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Okay, fair enough to some of what you say. Two big issues remain.

1). The casinos don't allow a player to just win, win win and keep comping them, whether they have figured out what he is doing or not. You KNOW this. And he is playing rated, so they know exactly what he is winning (if he was winning).

2.) Again, sorry to repeat, but if he were doing something that casinos didn't know about or hadn't figured out, the last thing he would do is run and post on 4 or 5 forums, almost in real time. That would amount to taunting the casinos.

I mean yeah I do that a bit. But my level of play isn't something that the casinos worry about, and what I am talking about isn't something new or secretive, card counting is 62 years old, probably much older. And only on rare occasions do I mention the actual casino.

No one would do what he claims he is doing....that upon discovering the "holy grail" would run to multiple forums and post all about it. You know this!

If I don't know all the facts as you and Maxpen suggest, it is because he is leaving out half the story, like the losing parts. And isn't that a form of lying and not being truthful?

Even Rob Singer knew this from very early on.

Nobody gives a fuck. Let him post his "adventures" and just ignore him.

For the record, I have forwarded the information posted in my original post of this thread. $339,000 in 45 days while comped high end suites, to Mike Shackleford. Last time I talked to Mike, he said he really should read more of Mdawgs claims and comment, but he just doesn't have the time. He said if there is anything particular, I have concerns about I should let him know and he would take a look. I don't know if he will. I don't know what he can say without violating that stupid NDA. I guess we will see. Maybe we will get another "Wizard and I went over my records and I am about even" moment. :rolleyes:

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If you feel he is incorrectly claiming a session take him up on his challenge. Hell take him up multiple times on his challenge.

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No one is going to challenge MDAWG on any specific session. This is why he specifically offers his challenge the way he does. Why? As previously mentioned all or most sessions are likely real. He is simply omitting certain losing sessions that turn his overall results positive. (At least on the forum. Not in real life of course.)

If you simply omitted your top 2 losing sessions out of 50 sessions, you turn your results "positive".

Imagine the hump he must get over with just tipping. He is likely giving up another 1 -2% of his overall action just in tips. The Baccarat house edge that is a tad over 1%, now becomes 2-3%.

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Nobody gives a fuck. Let him post his "adventures" and just ignore him.

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I can't do that at this point jbjb. Not after all he has done to try to discredit and harm me. Maybe that is small of me. I will accept that.

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If you feel he is incorrectly claiming a session take him up on his challenge. Hell take him up multiple times on his challenge.

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No one is going to challenge MDAWG on any specific session. This is why he specifically offers his challenge the way he does. Why? As previously mentioned all or most sessions are likely real. He is simply omitting certain losing sessions that turn his overall results positive. (At least on the forum. Not in real life of course.)

If you simply omitted your top 2 losing sessions out of 50 sessions, you turn your results "positive".

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Master of the obvious.

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If you feel he is incorrectly claiming a session take him up on his challenge. Hell take him up multiple times on his challenge.

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No one is going to challenge MDAWG on any specific session. This is why he specifically offers his challenge the way he does. Why? As previously mentioned all or most sessions are likely real. He is simply omitting certain losing sessions that turn his overall results positive. (At least on the forum. Not in real life of course.)

If you simply omitted your top 2 losing sessions out of 50 sessions, you turn your results "positive".

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Master of the obvious.

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You say everything is so obvious.

The prostitute/Sugar Daddy stuff with KJ, is that obviously fake as well?

Or should it be taken as fact?

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If you simply omitted your top 2 losing sessions out of 50 sessions, you turn your results "positive".

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I don't want to speculate, because I don't know exactly what is going on. All I know is as reported, this adventure is not real. And that is what I said from the very beginning.

A lot of people have though...progression system. And that would explain a lot if he was just leaving out that 2-3 massive losing sessions that comes along every once in a while that wipes out all the winning. All the posted reports could be correct, just absent that occasional, 80k, 100k, 120k loss that wipes out everything.

And everything else would fit. All the comps, because he is actually losing long-term.
His statement about large bankroll
Some of the statements Shackleford has managed to sneak in about systems.
Even the pit folks loving him and his play. Everything.

Leave out those 2-3 huge losing sessions and everything works. He is just another baccarat system player, that is losing long-term and gets good comps.

And progression system is why he is willing to accept any challenge on any one session. he would be a big favorite to win that single session.

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No one is going to challenge MDAWG on any specific session. This is why he specifically offers his challenge the way he does. Why? As previously mentioned all or most sessions are likely real. He is simply omitting certain losing sessions that turn his overall results positive. (At least on the forum. Not in real life of course.)

If you simply omitted your top 2 losing sessions out of 50 sessions, you turn your results "positive".

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Master of the obvious.

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You say everything is so obvious.

The prostitute/Sugar Daddy stuff with KJ, is that obviously fake as well?

Or should it be taken as fact?

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I was referring to you being the master of the obvious. But your end perception is incorrect so don't take that too literally.

You can take the FraudJ stuff however you want. It's all up to you.

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Bottom line is you have never met anyone on any forum or had any transaction on them so don't put it off on shackleford or mdawg..

I'm not sure but it seems to me people are becoming more and more insane on this board.

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I have a long standing policy, that if someone engages civilly and somewhat respectful, I will engage and try to have a reasonable conversation, even if they have trolled me in the past.

That said, I am done with you. You just want to repeat the same points. This is an anonymous gambling forum. That you and others now seem to want there to be some requirement that someone can't be anonymous and HAS to meet someone is bullshit. I would have never come here if that was a rule. If it is a new rule, have Dan Druff post it. BUT YOU don't get to make up the rules.

Additionally in your last post, you re-hashed your whole conspiracy theory about male prostitution. I don't for the life of me, know how you are not embarrased to post such nonsense. And then at the end you wrote, And if it is not that then he got money from a sugardaddy.

Guess what that is called AinQ? It is called throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks. And if it isn't that, then it is this, and if not that, then maybe he won the lottery and if not that, maybe someone in his family invented the paperclip and that is where his money comes from.

Just stop being an idiot dude. If you ever want to engage with me, just stop being a jackass. Otherwise write whatever you want, but don't expect me to reply. I have had enough.

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Oh Insane One, pull me in once again !

You were acting like it is conceivable you would take up mdawg and shack on some bet. Given the effort you put into not meeting or transacting with anyone over the course of 10+ years means you're not going to do it now so cut the shit.

"you and others now seem to want there to be some requirement that someone can't be anonymous" <-- AGAIN No one demands anything like this. You have little credibility because you put so much effort into being this character. No one else is being a character in a made up life. No one needs to meet anything. Who claims what? 90% of the APs don't claim a damn thing on here.

Anyway.. you love all this. If no one brought up the prostitution thing you'd probably do it yourself at some point.

But most importantly Kewl. Yes I am embarrassed about the nonsense I post .. but what about YOU??!?! lol.. anyway..

Kewl I know a guy who talks to chatgpt as an actual therapist. Perhaps you should look into that. I'm not even totally kidding here.

My loserdom grows everyday responding to you. I despise Singer for being such a nasty person but I feel like I have taken over his job.

Kewl, get help.

PS - It really is quite fascinating how Kewl turns this all into some victimhood. Is he trying to win an argument or is he just trying to keep this negativity going towards himself. He clearly feeds off it.

BTW I am pretty sure I have a good idea what Mdawg is doing. Lets just say *IF* he is doing what i believe he is doing - then he is definitely a very high level AP. Kewl should google "Don Johnson blackjack" for a rough idea.

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Just stop being an idiot dude. If you ever want to engage with me, just stop being a jackass. Otherwise write whatever you want, but don't expect me to reply. I have had enough.

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That right there brings a tear to my eyes.

Happy Thanksgiving Kewl. I hope you have a nice holiday with your brother and whomever else.

edit - Oh I thought you said you were not going to reply. I never expect you to reply Kewl if I don't ask you a quesiton. I mean I know often will.. Regardless - cheers buddy.

This clown is telling me to google Don Johnson, like I don't know who Don Johnson is. :rolleyes: I know all about Don Johnson and what he did. The story broke maybe a year or two after my Atlantic City days, so naturally I was interested just because I had played that location (much lower limit of course).

The loss rebate angle has already been discussed extensively regarding Mdawg's claims. It was Axelwolf that brought it up. It was just after Mdawg had posted like 50 straight winning sessions. Axelwolf said, I thought maybe you were doing something you weren't telling us like a loss rebate. Mdawg immediately jumped and claimed that yes he was receiving a loss rebate.

Problem was, you actually have to have losing sessions for a loss rebate to kick in and become an advantage play. Mdawg wasn't at least reporting any losses or very few, so it didn't fit. And a loss rebate would in no way account for all winning sessions. Done correctly a loss rebate will have the player pretty much divided among winning and losing sessions, but the losing sessions will be smaller because of the rebate. This was not close to what Mdawg was reporting.

Additionally, because of Don Johnson, casinos know not to give a loss rebate per session. Players can still negotiate a loss rebate, if their play is substantial enough but the rebate will cover the duration of a trip, rather than individual sessions.

I suppose a player on an extended trip of several months, could make it look like his trip has ended after a couple losing days and collect the rebate, as long as he wasn't staying at the casino. Just not play there for a few days and then return and start a "new trip".

But again, this involves losing sessions and days, and Mdawg just not report many of those. So if this is what he is doing and just not reporting the losing periods, we are sort of back to square 1, which is as mdawg is reporting it, this is not real.

If something has been discussed on the Internet, you can rest assured that KJ knows all about it.

You guys need to get off the binary idea that if kewlJ is bullshitting, MDawg isn't.

Everybody knows who Don Johnson is. Every casino knows who Don Johnson is and management has signed their souls over to never allowing it to happen again. Having said that, there are people besides Don Johnson getting rebates, but the last thing you would do after your first six months would be to advertise it on forums. The Mdawg profile is pretty specific; he'd be identified in some reasonable span of time. The guy posted photos, after all, of events he attended and all that.

Now if MDawg posted on forums to accrue a following of investors, maybe he could pull that off for six months, but I don't think much longer than that.

I don't see what the big draw is. I could do what MDawg claims -- make a bunch of wagers of, say, 10K and up. Post photos of the winning tickets every day. Almost never post losers. Better yet, shoot for a bunch of 20K on up middles. Post the winning tickets; skip the losers. Make sure my high rolling friends invite me as a plus-one to various events. Take photos. Take photos while I hang out in their suites. Borrow their suites for a day here and a day there. Invite Shack and some of you wannabes to hang out. Eat at Vic and Anthony's a few times on my friends' comps. Drive the Lamborghini around town. Visit The Green Door with Seed.

Not hard. Not sophisticated. It would take some work to publish the sheer volume of Mdawg stories, but it could be done. I could say how I know all the sports book managers (I actually do know a handful of them), explain how they all pat me on the back. Hell, I'd take some video with them saying nice things about me, which a couple of them probably would. I'm acquainted with someone who used to babysit for one of them. I'm in a private contest with another one.

All of this is easy.

And then what? You guys would buy it? You'd hypothesize about how I'm a great handicapper? How I'm a "high roller?" Or I'm getting huge rebates? As they say on ESPN, c'mon, man!!

The overarching point is, if there are easy ways to foster a long-shot story without the long-shot being true, why would you buy into the long-shot? This applies to both kewlJ and MDawg, by the way.

And I gotta argue, as a final point, that from a probability perspective, the kewlJ-as-male-whore angle isn't all that nuts. When you ask yourself what's more likely, male escort posing as blackjack player, or blackjack player making it for a decade at 100K a year in LV itself, the former is more likely.

I only read the first and last paragraph, but both are true.

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Invite Shack and some of you wannabes to hang out. Eat at Vic and Anthony's a few times on my friends' comps. Drive the Lamborghini around town. Visit The Green Door with Seed.

Not hard. Not sophisticated.

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Smurger you should have middled Redietz's post. There are a few gems.

Why all this UNKewl speculation? Why not just post those "player records" he has and be done with it? Ah but then, he has nothing to post, nothing to say, other than more SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo babble.

Another thing about UNKewlJ,

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But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

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which includes that he has no idea where I stay in Vegas, and simply assumes it's always in house at the casinos. You'll notice that I never commented one way or another on his mansion thread. Like I want anyone to know where I have residences.

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The thing about the UNKewl one is that he's incapable of keeping his mouth shut, even when it might benefit him. That's why his full name address have circulated all over the 'net - his own SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo baBbLe led to that.

MDawg knows to stay silent when it suits him.

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UNKewlJ is desperate to prove / not prove where he lives. I don't suffer from that sickness.

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Why all this UNKewl speculation? Why not just post those "player records" he has and be done with it? Ah but then, he has nothing to post, nothing to say, other than more SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo babble.

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If he really had something like that undoubtedly it would be posted. That you could take to the bank.

Of course we'll get a 10x multiplier response as to why he can't post yet another piece of evidence he claims to have, or the name of yet another compadre who know who he is and what he does.

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When someone challenges me, I just state what I state and additionally offer the MDawg Challenge.

When backed into a corner, caught in a lie, and desperate to be heard, UNKewlJ suddenly comes up with something unverifiable with no back up. For example, the nonsense about the MGM execs visiting this bum in his mother's ratty apartment on Halloween (with docs that he cannot post), stating that he has a police report about Tater's showing up at this apartment, but never posting it, stating that AP's know who he is, and yet never naming them, stating that he has filed a lawsuit, but never pointing to it, I have PMs to prove what I am saying but I cannot post them and another regular go-to lie of his, is that so and so said something in private, but I can't say what it is.

This is why MickeyCrimm said: He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

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after 20 years of posting has never produced one iota of proof about anything he ever claimed or ever said. Not even a picture

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UNKewlJ follows a regular pattern of spouting nonsense and then when challenged trying to back it up with unverifiable hearsay. Individually they don't mean as much as collectively. Collectively this draws into question his entire projected persona and existence.

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And you're right MaxPen, this guy has no discipline, no ability to hold his tongue, if he had any sort of evidence about anything he would spill it.

Where did I ever say I had Mdawgs current records? I saw his records several years ago for that year, and almost immediately regretted involving a friend like I did. I never posted those records. And frankly didn't need to. As soon as I said I had seen them, Mdawg crumbled and we got that whole, "Wizard and I went over my records and I was about even" fiasco, wiping away $500K of previously claimed wins. I probably could get his current records, if I wanted. Lots of people probably could get hold of his current records. All it would take is a connection that works in the industry. It isn't like there are all that many players at his level claiming what he claims. :rolleyes:

Look, the Mdawg "adventure" is that of a high roller that gets all these high end comps that he claims and win significant amounts on top. THAT is what myself and many others objected too. That is just not the way it works. Are there high rollers that get comped well for there long-term losing play. Absolutely. Just check out the casino limos lined up at the airport every Friday afternoon and evening.

Are there players that win long-term, Absolutely! They are called advantage players. Some even make the kind of money Mdawg talks about. But for the most part AP's are in a battle with casinos to do what they do. Mdawg trying to combine the two is what I and others objected to. That is not reality or the way things work. Casinos want losing players, not winning players. It doesn't take long for them to figure out who is winning, and even at lower levels, one of the absolute first things they do is cut out all the freebies.

So Mdawgs story that myself and others objected to was that of a high-roller winning player. Several years ago when I did get a hold of Mdawgs records, and they didn't match what he claimed, I proved that he was not the winning player he claimed. That proof came the day he altered that years posted winnings from $500k to "about even".

I don't know if he realizes it or not (I suspect he does), but that is the day the Mdawg "adventure" as he posted it really ended. Ever since that day, everyone has known what he is and it is exactly what Dan Druff described. A higher limit player, that loses and is gets good comps. Just like Druff said, I only wish that was the story he told all along. It is a good story and one that would have interested many of us.

So now, Today Mdawg has once again changed his story. After 5 years of posting about all the suites and comps, including hundreds, if not thousands of photos, Mdawg today changed his story to that he doesn't stay at the casino, that he does get all these high end comps.

So the story of the high end winning player who gets all these high end comps is now over on both ends. NOT a winning player. NOT all the high end comps. Great, Great story Mdawg.

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Of course we'll get a 10x multiplier response as to why....

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Maybe we can move on from this now.

Now I have a question for all you conspiracy theory, KJ is a male prostitute people. How would posting on gambling forums for 17 years, and posting on this little bitty forum with it's dozen or so members for 7 years now, benefit a male prostitute? Is this a hot bed of closeted gay guys that hire male prostitutes? is THAT what you are trying to say? :D

I am seriously looking forward to the answer to this question. Probably the conspiracies will only grow deeper.

In the mean time, Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. Even those that are nothing but trolls and haters. Get off the fucking forum and spend some time with family and friends as I am absolutely blessed to be able to do today. Go Commanders!! (just because I hate the Cowboys).

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he has no idea where I stay in Vegas, and simply assumes it's always in house at the casinos. You'll notice that I never commented one way or another on his mansion thread. Like I want anyone to know where I have residences.

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KJ says you posted about getting an LV mansion and that you then deleted the thread.

Now you imply you have "residences" (plural), ostensibly in sin city.

Confused: do you stay in casinos or in an LV residence when in sin city?

Also dawg, to your credit, I note that you don't brag about killing the insurance companies when representing clients; if only such restraint carried over to your casino play.

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