Wizard of Oz at the Sphere

Wizard of Oz has opened at the Sphere. Reviews thus far are good.

The movie has been edited from 102 minutes down to 75 minutes, and that includes the additions to where you're looking at the landscapes of Oz for a longer period of time than shown in the movie (such as when Dorothy first lands there, and it becomes colorized).

Tickets are very expensive. You can't get in for less than mid-$100s, and the better seats are around $200-$300.

They have effects within the Sphere such as blowing papers during the tornado, snow falling when it falls on Dorothy in the movie, and actual drone-like flying monkeys overhead when they fly in the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQVIHuXqMU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXNNslSkcro




I see that some people are getting casino offers at Caesars which include Sphere tickets, even though the company is independent of all casinos.

Anyone get these offers?

I'd like to see this, but the prices are crazy.

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the better seats are around $200-$300.

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I've been looking into concert tickets for the fall.

It looks like orchestra level seats are less than upper deck seats.

Are the better seats farther away from the stage?

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the better seats are around $200-$300.

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I've been looking into concert tickets for the fall.

It looks like orchestra level seats are less than upper deck seats.

Are the better seats farther away from the stage?

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Depends on the show.

You definitely do NOT want orchestra (lowest level) rows 23+

Flying drone monkeys? I hope ZK at least got a writing credit on this.

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Flying drone monkeys? I hope ZK at least got a writing credit on this.

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LMAO! I got the Zenking reference with him often saying,"Drones," :D

I went Saturday it was quite amazing.

We were in section 207 row 14 and the seats were perfect. They were right next to the expensive "VIP" seat section but half the price. Definitely recommend.

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the better seats are around $200-$300.

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I've been looking into concert tickets for the fall.

It looks like orchestra level seats are less than upper deck seats.

Are the better seats farther away from the stage?

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Depends on the show.

You definitely do NOT want orchestra (lowest level) rows 23+

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Pretty sure that the orchestra seats are removed for the wind / smoke / fire effects machinery.

Did you buy the seats directly, or did you get them through a third party service?

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Did you buy the seats directly, or did you get them through a third party service?

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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Did you buy the seats directly, or did you get them through a third party service?

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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High but better than I expected for section 207.

Why did you get cancellation insurance? Was there a decent chance you'd miss the event? I've never bought anything like that, and I can't imagine I would until I am old or sick (or I think I might need to abruptly cancel to help a parent).

Anyway I will definitely keep your seat location in mind for when I go. Now I just gotta find a way to get it cheaper, out of principle. I'll also probably be buying 3 seats.

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Did you buy the seats directly, or did you get them through a third party service?

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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Isn't it better to take the cancellation insurance? That would mean you get your money back if say the show is cancelled for any reason like if an angry ex snuck into the stage and shot their ex lover. I saw a news report of something similar happening and the show was understandably cancelled.

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Did you buy the seats directly, or did you get them through a third party service?

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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High but better than I expected for section 207.

Why did you get cancellation insurance? Was there a decent chance you'd miss the event? I've never bought anything like that, and I can't imagine I would until I am old or sick (or I think I might need to abruptly cancel to help a parent).

Anyway I will definitely keep your seat location in mind for when I go. Now I just gotta find a way to get it cheaper, out of principle. I'll also probably be buying 3 seats.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

Going to see it again with the parentals in November. Seats booked. With cancellation insurance :P

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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Isn't it better to take the cancellation insurance? That would mean you get your money back if say the show is cancelled for any reason like if an angry ex snuck into the stage and shot their ex lover. I saw a news report of something similar happening and the show was understandably cancelled.

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Words can't describe how retarded you are.

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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High but better than I expected for section 207.

Why did you get cancellation insurance? Was there a decent chance you'd miss the event? I've never bought anything like that, and I can't imagine I would until I am old or sick (or I think I might need to abruptly cancel to help a parent).

Anyway I will definitely keep your seat location in mind for when I go. Now I just gotta find a way to get it cheaper, out of principle. I'll also probably be buying 3 seats.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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High but better than I expected for section 207.

Why did you get cancellation insurance? Was there a decent chance you'd miss the event? I've never bought anything like that, and I can't imagine I would until I am old or sick (or I think I might need to abruptly cancel to help a parent).

Anyway I will definitely keep your seat location in mind for when I go. Now I just gotta find a way to get it cheaper, out of principle. I'll also probably be buying 3 seats.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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The cars charge far faster when it is charging the first 1/2 of capacity. Topping off totally is like 25 mins ... but if you are on a normal highway, you can get it done in about 15 minutes and get 2/3 capacity .. then just use the next charger. Now if you're going off in the boonies you'd want to fully charge but thats not the standard usecase.

I have a sock stuffed up on top of the rearview mirror to block the camera. The car never complains and it means it doesn't see me using my phone. I trust it quite a bit on a highway .. so it makes those long drives great. same thing with traffic. Adjust the car to be within the minimum car lengths and it'll stop and go with traffic.

A used Tesla is a really good idea if you commute to work in traffic. You can spend your spare time beating up on Rob Singer instead of driving. Godo for lolz.

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ticketmaster. 463 for 3 tickets including cancellation insurance bs.

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Isn't it better to take the cancellation insurance? That would mean you get your money back if say the show is cancelled for any reason like if an angry ex snuck into the stage and shot their ex lover. I saw a news report of something similar happening and the show was understandably cancelled.

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Words can't describe how retarded you are.

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Life is hard isn't it? Traveling with a special needs kid, wife, and my mentally retarded self, you never know what is going to happen... Thanks for being a fuck ass cunty cur...

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High but better than I expected for section 207.

Why did you get cancellation insurance? Was there a decent chance you'd miss the event? I've never bought anything like that, and I can't imagine I would until I am old or sick (or I think I might need to abruptly cancel to help a parent).

Anyway I will definitely keep your seat location in mind for when I go. Now I just gotta find a way to get it cheaper, out of principle. I'll also probably be buying 3 seats.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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I'm further down the 15 / 215 in the Temecula Valley. This is what my drive looked like:



I have done the Searchlight route before. It works out perfect going to Green Valley. That was how I wanted to go, but since we took the EV the charging options aren't as available.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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The cars charge far faster when it is charging the first 1/2 of capacity. Topping off totally is like 25 mins ... but if you are on a normal highway, you can get it done in about 15 minutes and get 2/3 capacity .. then just use the next charger. Now if you're going off in the boonies you'd want to fully charge but thats not the standard usecase.

I have a sock stuffed up on top of the rearview mirror to block the camera. The car never complains and it means it doesn't see me using my phone. I trust it quite a bit on a highway .. so it makes those long drives great. same thing with traffic. Adjust the car to be within the minimum car lengths and it'll stop and go with traffic.

A used Tesla is a really good idea if you commute to work in traffic. You can spend your spare time beating up on Rob Singer instead of driving. Godo for lolz.

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Correct, and so many don't understand this. When on road trips where I'm stopping at multiple locations in a day (like driving from California to Florida which I've done a few times in an EV now), I start driving when the charging speed slows down and I have enough to get to the next stop. I find it silly to do a full charge and spend more time charging. I typically charge long enough to go pee and stretch my legs...

They are no longer dropping the apples.

We have two of them.

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Not with your dad...unless he's in an urn.

We'll watch it inside the casino's suite one of these days when we get a chance.

You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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They are no longer dropping the apples.

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What?!

Why?

That was one of the more beloved features of the show.

I guess they’ll be worth more now if you want to sell them on eBay.

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You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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Actually that is not true at all - there are plenty areas of the country where you have to plan your trip so you don't run out of gas. It isn't quite as bad but tip of FL, West TX, areas of NV etc, probably areas of the Northwest.

If you weren't so stupid and had actually left your daughter's pool-house since retirement then maybe you'd know this but you're too busy with your surfboard with the Newell sticker on it or whateverthefuck.

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You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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There are no gas stations either on that route for miles and miles... no cell phone service either. It is a great drive...

If you went that way, and figured out 40 miles in you only had 40 more miles of gas in your car you would be fucked... When there is nothing around, there is nothing around, not even gas stations...

Electric Car has been great. Just under 100,000 miles on the Tesla Model X Plaid. Only service done was two sets of tires... No other maintenance needed. Its one of the fastset cars on the road (0-60 in 2 seconds) and it seats 6 foolish people... It costs me pennies to charge...

I've been deciding between a Z06 and a S Plaid. I fucking love the look of the C8 Vettes and I've always wanted one, but the S Plaid is simply so much faster... They have a carbon brake kit for it too...


Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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They are no longer dropping the apples.

We have two of them.

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What?!

Why?

That was one of the more beloved features of the show.

I guess they’ll be worth more now if you want to sell them on eBay.

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Yeah I saw an article on it. I guess too many people fusing for them during the shows and selling them. I've seen ebay listings for 300-500 for a silly foam apple... Shame, my kid absolutely loved the experiencing of grabbing one. We didn't tell him anything about the show he was surprised.

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We'll watch it inside the casino's suite one of these days when we get a chance.

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what? watch the movie wizard of oz? watching the movie on a little picture screen is nothing like watching it in the sphere.... I hope they do it with other movies... I'm sure they will...

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Going to see it again with the parentals in November.

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Not with your dad...unless he's in an urn.

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Jason might be speaking of going with his Wife's Parents though.

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

I put KJ and Rob in one category and everyone else in the other, as far as regular posters go.


ETA - Regarding Mdawg I don't read trip reports or posts on WoV but I don't remember reading any improbable claims from him here.

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I don't believe that.

But is there specifically something else you posted that shouldn't be believed, or is it just idiotic to believe anything that you say?

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

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What an idiot. Post a pic of yourself with that libtard car of yours. I've heard you're someone with about as interesting a past as kew's had...and with just the same lame present along with a hopeless and meaningless future.

I wont post a pic of my "beast"--which to losers is a blackwing V--because envious old farts like you let it bother you all night long...night after night after night.

EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

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What an idiot. Post a pic of yourself with that libtard car of yours. I've heard you're someone with about as interesting a past as kew's had...and with just the same lame present along with a hopeless and meaningless future.

I wont post a pic of my "beast"--which to losers is a blackwing V--because envious old farts like you let it bother you all night long...night after night after night.

EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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You didn't hear shit about me because the only people who know anything about me know you're a clown. 0 chance of any of them having told you anything.

Nice try but total fail like the rest of your nonsense.

Post the picture of the car. Stop talking about it. Show me I'm wrong.... but I find that very very unlikely and if you do it'll have car dealership stickers on the windows. ;)

Singer and Kewl - 2 peas of the same pod.

I don't think Jason is lying about anything here. He doesn't really have any motivation to do so, especially because he's only an occasional poster who shows up for a bit, then doesn't come back for awhile. None of his claims have been anything unusual or hard to swallow, either.

Because this forum is mostly a place for APs, it's not surprising that most people hide their identity. But some here are known (including me), and some are known to certain posters here. For example, I've met Axel and others from here in person, but of course would never out their identities.

There's also a lot of posters here whom I have no idea who they are in real life, nor do I care.

Everyone knows who Rob is, but you just have to take him with a grain of salt, and realize that he's been a longtime troll, and always will be.

I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems. At least Rob never tries to act like a victim here.

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I don't think Jason is lying about anything here. He doesn't really have any motivation to do so, especially because he's only an occasional poster who shows up for a bit, then doesn't come back for awhile. None of his claims have been anything unusual or hard to swallow, either.

Because this forum is mostly a place for APs, it's not surprising that most people hide their identity. But some here are known (including me), and some are known to certain posters here. For example, I've met Axel and others from here in person, but of course would never out their identities.

There's also a lot of posters here whom I have no idea who they are in real life, nor do I care.

Everyone knows who Rob is, but you just have to take him with a grain of salt, and realize that he's been a longtime troll, and always will be.

I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems. At least Rob never tries to act like a victim here.

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An AP who migrated from another gambling website to here put a brand new name and was outed by another Poster from that first website and the AP was understandably upset. He said something like,"Thanks for blowing my cover. The fact that I came here with a brand new name should have been a glaring red alert sign that I didn't want to be outed."

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I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems.

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Why...act like the victim for being called a liar? The reason people call you a liar is because you have a habit of lying on forums. How is that hard to understand?

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Yes you must be so sad as your posts are about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

You must have a mental problem because you display homophobic dislike of yourself for being gay. It’s a nasty queer trait of self loathing homosexuals that manifests with ugly queers. We’ve all meet at least one in our lifetime. It’s that trait you display that give all the good gays a bad name.

As stated you’re a slow moving car wreck. I got beer and popcorn, I love watching you unravel.

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EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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I've no interest in owning an EV as I am a petrolhead.

I ride my bike daily, weather permitting: not because I have to but because it is good exercise.

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EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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I've no interest in owning an EV as I am a petrolhead.

I ride my bike daily, weather permitting: not because I have to but because it is good exercise.

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you. Like what is it there that you like so much outside of gas stations being more common than charging?

It is like someone saying- nah I don't want a car I'm a cowboy.

Evs aren't some great thing or advance in the experience but I don't think a dinosaur oil burning to be something to cling to either? You aren't a political nut who thinks exactly as told ... so what is the reasoning there?

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you.

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I am familiar with gas engines and all associated components but know little about the electric motors powering EV's, so "familiarity" is a big factor.

The fact that EV's are quick to accelerate means nothing to me as my daily driver is a 1982 Volvo 244 Turbo: not slow but certainly not fast.

I have a problem with the limited range of EV's and the dearth of charging stations; I also have a problem with the idea that the battery will wear out and need replacement.

Then again, I'm a bit of a Luddite: while I don't fear change per se I do not embrace it, preferring to rely on the Old Familiar: I don't have a smart phone or a tablet (PC only, running WIndows 7!) and as an audiophile I don't stream music, I listen to LP's and CD's plus KBOO-FM in stumptown.

Set in my ways and liking it....

There was a time, when the Automobile first came out, when some of you were born, and people were like "How am I supposed to re-fuel it, there is no gas station on the way, I can just stop and give some water to my horse from the creek over yonder."

I see people with gas cars talking negatively about EV's like that... You are comparing a horse and buggy to an automobile...

I've owned multiple EV's...

2015 Nissan Leaf
2020 Tesla Model Y
2021 Polestar II
2021 Tesla Model Y Performance
2022 Tesla Model X Plaid

I will tell you this, if you are considering an EV, if you can't use the Tesla Supercharging Network I wouldn't suggest getting that unless you know for sure you will never roadtrip it. For daily use, you will wake up with a "full tank" every day so no need to supercharge / use public chargers for daily use.

Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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The 2015 I got used in 2019. Got it for $5K and sold it during covid for like 8 or 9K.

I've had a lot of cars. Between me and my wife we used to be a 3 car family. Now its just two with the Tesla and the Bronco.

The Tesla Y's... Here is my long story short Tesla story....

We decided to get a Model Y early during Covid. We were able to get a demo unit with like 1,000 miles on it for a discount. This was like February or March 2020. Financed with very minimal down.

As soon as we got it we new we wanted the Model X (larger). So we ordered a Model X Long Range ($111K ($200 down)). Delivery was supposed to be August 2020. Fast forward to July and we get a message "Prepare for Delivery." So we sold the Model Y. At this time, you couldn't get a tesla without a very long wait so we sold it for roughly 10K more than we paid.

Literally the next day after Selling the Model Y, our "Prepare for Delivery" status turned to ETA a year from now.... So I was like fuck... We need another car... The regular Model Y had a 5-6 month wait, but the Model Y Performance was readily available (more money). So ordered a Model Y performance and took delivery within a few days (Paid cash).

Fast forward a year, we want our X! They were finally starting to deliver them but they were all Plaids (the Plaid is more expensive and at this time the Plaid was $155K). We still had no ETA for our Long Range, so I decided to try ordering a Plaid. Paid the $250 deposit and poof, not but 3 days later come get your Model X!

So we sell the Model Y performance for again $10K more than we paid, and put down $50K on the $155K plaid. At this time the Long Range (which we still had on order) was selling for $145 and figured we would keep that order and buy it to flip it...

We get our Plaid and we love it.

Fast forward 6 months, our Long Range is finally ready to pickup. At this point the market is already starting to correct and they are not reselling for much so we decided to not pickup the Long Range.

Now, the $155K plaid we purchased is something stupid like $80K New from Tesla. We hate the fact that they discounted the car so much. It is horrible what they did. I absolutely hate how Tesla operates with their pricing, but at least now, since the car market is terrible the Tesla's are more reasonably priced and they are offering incentives...

So I have a big love hate relationship with Tesla...

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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I mean, my vehicle registration for the Tesla is much greater than a gas vehicle of a similar cost.

Unless you are driving more than 250 miles a day, you don't need to find a charger away from your home...

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you.

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I am familiar with gas engines and all associated components but know little about the electric motors powering EV's, so "familiarity" is a big factor.

The fact that EV's are quick to accelerate means nothing to me as my daily driver is a 1982 Volvo 244 Turbo: not slow but certainly not fast.

I have a problem with the limited range of EV's and the dearth of charging stations; I also have a problem with the idea that the battery will wear out and need replacement.

Then again, I'm a bit of a Luddite: while I don't fear change per se I do not embrace it, preferring to rely on the Old Familiar: I don't have a smart phone or a tablet (PC only, running WIndows 7!) and as an audiophile I don't stream music, I listen to LP's and CD's plus KBOO-FM in stumptown.

Set in my ways and liking it....

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You can't fix a ton of modern car stuff but I agree with EVs it is basically components that you swap out. The upside though is the cars don't have near as much expensive maintenance or failures.

Depending on where and how you drive, the charging thing isn't a big deal. I honestly believe some people don't have it together enough to make those decisions properly because it is a real concern. For instance, I came home today at 5% which was really low but I only needed to drive dad fo doctor and back etc. I could have easily stopped at a super charger that was not out of the way at all and hung out for 10 minutes. Instead, I didn't have to stop anywhere, parked in the garage, and plugged it in. So instead of a few minutes messing around at a gas station - I just parked it inside and plugged 'er in.

The battery wearing out is really a thing but I'm not sure how much worse it is than ICE engines being worn out. My battery has degraded a little too fast for what I want .. I got a bit unlucky there. It remains to see if that schedule will continue or slow down.

lol LPs and CDs.. cassettes are back in fashion too.

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If the charger is installed in the garage - why not? It takes 20 seconds to plug-in and you have max range starting out every day.

Or maybe your EV has fairly low range compared to your daily needs.

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

You can always use a generator to charge the car if that is your concern. (in the wyoming blizzard)

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Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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The 2015 I got used in 2019. Got it for $5K and sold it during covid for like 8 or 9K.

I've had a lot of cars. Between me and my wife we used to be a 3 car family. Now its just two with the Tesla and the Bronco.

The Tesla Y's... Here is my long story short Tesla story....

We decided to get a Model Y early during Covid. We were able to get a demo unit with like 1,000 miles on it for a discount. This was like February or March 2020. Financed with very minimal down.

As soon as we got it we new we wanted the Model X (larger). So we ordered a Model X Long Range ($111K ($200 down)). Delivery was supposed to be August 2020. Fast forward to July and we get a message "Prepare for Delivery." So we sold the Model Y. At this time, you couldn't get a tesla without a very long wait so we sold it for roughly 10K more than we paid.

Literally the next day after Selling the Model Y, our "Prepare for Delivery" status turned to ETA a year from now.... So I was like fuck... We need another car... The regular Model Y had a 5-6 month wait, but the Model Y Performance was readily available (more money). So ordered a Model Y performance and took delivery within a few days (Paid cash).

Fast forward a year, we want our X! They were finally starting to deliver them but they were all Plaids (the Plaid is more expensive and at this time the Plaid was $155K). We still had no ETA for our Long Range, so I decided to try ordering a Plaid. Paid the $250 deposit and poof, not but 3 days later come get your Model X!

So we sell the Model Y performance for again $10K more than we paid, and put down $50K on the $155K plaid. At this time the Long Range (which we still had on order) was selling for $145 and figured we would keep that order and buy it to flip it...

We get our Plaid and we love it.

Fast forward 6 months, our Long Range is finally ready to pickup. At this point the market is already starting to correct and they are not reselling for much so we decided to not pickup the Long Range.

Now, the $155K plaid we purchased is something stupid like $80K New from Tesla. We hate the fact that they discounted the car so much. It is horrible what they did. I absolutely hate how Tesla operates with their pricing, but at least now, since the car market is terrible the Tesla's are more reasonably priced and they are offering incentives...

So I have a big love hate relationship with Tesla...

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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I mean, my vehicle registration for the Tesla is much greater than a gas vehicle of a similar cost.

Unless you are driving more than 250 miles a day, you don't need to find a charger away from your home...

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Yea, used Tesla model Y's that aren't long range are a really good value IMO. I try to get my gf to get one. Her firm's office is on the other side of town so she is always leaving early/arriving late to avoid traffic. I'm like, go spend 20-25k and get a Tesla like I do and hten when you're stuck on the interstate, just put it in auto-drive and sit back and check emails or whatever. (Or troll Singer)

BUt I agree about the depreciation and such. I am/was a bit bitter about this. I was upside down for years on the car.

I'll tell you guys when I have to put more money into it outside of tires and windshield fluid.

ALso - I'm blown away the Tesla board is trying so hard to keep Elon on. He's toxified himself enough the libs will not get over that much unlike what people want to believe. So perhaps the alt-right types will make up for it?

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

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Most of the electricity used to power EV's is sourced from coal, gas or oil, correct?

New gas powered cars run much, much cleaner than they used to: air pollution isn't that big of a thing any more with new cars in America.

I enjoy working on and maintaining my old Volvo Turbo cars: parts are readily available and not particularly expensive, and there is great satisfaction and savings in DIY.

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

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Most of the electricity used to power EV's is sourced from coal, gas or oil, correct?

New gas powered cars run much, much cleaner than they used to: air pollution isn't that big of a thing any more with new cars in America.

I enjoy working on and maintaining my old Volvo Turbo cars: parts are readily available and not particularly expensive, and there is great satisfaction and savings in DIY.

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There are not coal/gas plants around where people live more or less. I'd have to read the breakdown of powre production but ultimately my car is not making the smog in a city to near the extent.

I'd rather just not have to DIY to begin with. I have some gas cars and always something if you're not driving them every few weeks. At least thats how it seems .. but the Tesla wastes power being PARKED as the computers run in the background etc. Although I guess maybe not much difference than key-fobs.

Back to the WIZ. It has been quite successful. Management is starting to think that movies may be more profitable than concerts over time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...c14961af&ei=17

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Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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If the charger is installed in the garage - why not? It takes 20 seconds to plug-in and you have max range starting out every day.

Or maybe your EV has fairly low range compared to your daily needs.

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Doh I was wondering why you asked such an obvious answerable question..