Electric vehicle driving in the desert

In the Wizard of Oz thread you wrote...

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Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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The cars charge far faster when it is charging the first 1/2 of capacity. Topping off totally is like 25 mins ... but if you are on a normal highway, you can get it done in about 15 minutes and get 2/3 capacity .. then just use the next charger. Now if you're going off in the boonies you'd want to fully charge but thats not the standard usecase.

I have a sock stuffed up on top of the rearview mirror to block the camera. The car never complains and it means it doesn't see me using my phone. I trust it quite a bit on a highway .. so it makes those long drives great. same thing with traffic. Adjust the car to be within the minimum car lengths and it'll stop and go with traffic.

A used Tesla is a really good idea if you commute to work in traffic. You can spend your spare time beating up on Rob Singer instead of driving. Godo for lolz.

I'm further down the 15 / 215 in the Temecula Valley. This is what my drive looked like:



I have done the Searchlight route before. It works out perfect going to Green Valley. That was how I wanted to go, but since we took the EV the charging options aren't as available.

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Well, it wasn't expensive... under $20 a ticket. We had just started our drive Friday early evening on Labor Day Weekend. You know... Kid, Wife and a Dog... Figured, "Just in case" something happened on the way there... We left around 6PM and got there after 2AM. Accident shut down the 15N just before stateline... Figured we would take it just in case something terrible happened and we wouldn't make it there. We woke up just in time...

Wife really wanted to take the Tesla and I wanted to take the Bronco because the holiday weekend. On the way home there was traffic as well. We ended up going home through Joshua Tree. There are ZERO charging stations from the 15 to the 10 going the Joshua Tree route. We didn't charge fully assuming we would stop in Barstow or Baker so it was a bit of a nerve-racking drive... We made it with about 20 miles of range to the next charging stop after going 145 miles in 100+ weather...

Was a beautiful drive though. Would not have been an issue if we fully charged rather than did the minimum charge needed to get to a much closer spot.

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Joshua Tree? What area do you live? For me, Joshua Tree is never an option, no matter how bad the traffic. I always have to choose whether I take the 134-210-15 route or the 14-18-138-15 route. If traffic is horrendous north of Barstow, then I can take the 40 to the 95.

I am going to be getting a new vehicle fairly soon, and am still deciding if I want an electric one. The concern about the lack of long range and lack of charging stations in certain areas really worries me. How long does it take to charge when near zero and wanting to get back to full?

Have you done the Searchlight detour? That's a great way to get around state line traffic.

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The cars charge far faster when it is charging the first 1/2 of capacity. Topping off totally is like 25 mins ... but if you are on a normal highway, you can get it done in about 15 minutes and get 2/3 capacity .. then just use the next charger. Now if you're going off in the boonies you'd want to fully charge but thats not the standard usecase.

I have a sock stuffed up on top of the rearview mirror to block the camera. The car never complains and it means it doesn't see me using my phone. I trust it quite a bit on a highway .. so it makes those long drives great. same thing with traffic. Adjust the car to be within the minimum car lengths and it'll stop and go with traffic.

A used Tesla is a really good idea if you commute to work in traffic. You can spend your spare time beating up on Rob Singer instead of driving. Godo for lolz.

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Correct, and so many don't understand this. When on road trips where I'm stopping at multiple locations in a day (like driving from California to Florida which I've done a few times in an EV now), I start driving when the charging speed slows down and I have enough to get to the next stop. I find it silly to do a full charge and spend more time charging. I typically charge long enough to go pee and stretch my legs...

You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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Actually that is not true at all - there are plenty areas of the country where you have to plan your trip so you don't run out of gas. It isn't quite as bad but tip of FL, West TX, areas of NV etc, probably areas of the Northwest.

If you weren't so stupid and had actually left your daughter's pool-house since retirement then maybe you'd know this but you're too busy with your surfboard with the Newell sticker on it or whateverthefuck.

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You NEVER see people who drive REAL cars on medium or long trips saying they get apprehensive over where the power will come from. How foolish will driving get until people finally get it? You California flakes will never see that until it actually bites you in the ass, and you comprehend what a wreck Newsom et al has made of a once great state.

And that sphere? What a waste of time and space. Something that morons like tasha would feel at home in.

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There are no gas stations either on that route for miles and miles... no cell phone service either. It is a great drive...

If you went that way, and figured out 40 miles in you only had 40 more miles of gas in your car you would be fucked... When there is nothing around, there is nothing around, not even gas stations...

Electric Car has been great. Just under 100,000 miles on the Tesla Model X Plaid. Only service done was two sets of tires... No other maintenance needed. Its one of the fastset cars on the road (0-60 in 2 seconds) and it seats 6 foolish people... It costs me pennies to charge...

I've been deciding between a Z06 and a S Plaid. I fucking love the look of the C8 Vettes and I've always wanted one, but the S Plaid is simply so much faster... They have a carbon brake kit for it too...


Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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Edit to add: I'm a petrol head... well, was I guess... I've built race cars, drift cars, and have always loved speed and power. I love cars, but the power you get out of an electric car, it is something else...

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

I put KJ and Rob in one category and everyone else in the other, as far as regular posters go.


ETA - Regarding Mdawg I don't read trip reports or posts on WoV but I don't remember reading any improbable claims from him here.

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Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

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I don't believe that.

But is there specifically something else you posted that shouldn't be believed, or is it just idiotic to believe anything that you say?

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I have no reason to not believe you yet interesting fact about Singer - he claims to have had all these nice cars but has never shown a picture. The only picture he did show was him going to a dealership and sitting around in an RV where he played it off as his.

He can do that but can't show any pictures of these beastly cars he has? But he has time to go to a car dealership just for pics to show us?

Huh?

lol kewl'n'co

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

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What an idiot. Post a pic of yourself with that libtard car of yours. I've heard you're someone with about as interesting a past as kew's had...and with just the same lame present along with a hopeless and meaningless future.

I wont post a pic of my "beast"--which to losers is a blackwing V--because envious old farts like you let it bother you all night long...night after night after night.

EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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Pretty much everyone on here hides behind a fake name. Anyone who believes anything anyone says is an idiot.

You all know who I am because it was made pretty clear who I am.

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I believe plenty of people for the most part.

I don't think MisterV makes up shit, Boz, Axel, Mickey , DOnP, Dgenben .. others.

Then some who I know personally..

Kewl and Singer make up shit and we know who Singer is.

Just because I know you doesn't mean I believe you?

You just observe people over the years. It is pretty easy to tell IMO.

The people who make shit up are few and far between and a big part of what makes this forum so great.

Like I kinda suspect you believe me when I say I have a Tesla.. because .. who cares enough to lie about these things? Well ok.. we know who.

Having your name known is actually not that important in believable. After reading someone's posts for many years you have a reasonable idea who they are.

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What an idiot. Post a pic of yourself with that libtard car of yours. I've heard you're someone with about as interesting a past as kew's had...and with just the same lame present along with a hopeless and meaningless future.

I wont post a pic of my "beast"--which to losers is a blackwing V--because envious old farts like you let it bother you all night long...night after night after night.

EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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You didn't hear shit about me because the only people who know anything about me know you're a clown. 0 chance of any of them having told you anything.

Nice try but total fail like the rest of your nonsense.

Post the picture of the car. Stop talking about it. Show me I'm wrong.... but I find that very very unlikely and if you do it'll have car dealership stickers on the windows. ;)

Singer and Kewl - 2 peas of the same pod.

I don't think Jason is lying about anything here. He doesn't really have any motivation to do so, especially because he's only an occasional poster who shows up for a bit, then doesn't come back for awhile. None of his claims have been anything unusual or hard to swallow, either.

Because this forum is mostly a place for APs, it's not surprising that most people hide their identity. But some here are known (including me), and some are known to certain posters here. For example, I've met Axel and others from here in person, but of course would never out their identities.

There's also a lot of posters here whom I have no idea who they are in real life, nor do I care.

Everyone knows who Rob is, but you just have to take him with a grain of salt, and realize that he's been a longtime troll, and always will be.

I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems. At least Rob never tries to act like a victim here.

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I don't think Jason is lying about anything here. He doesn't really have any motivation to do so, especially because he's only an occasional poster who shows up for a bit, then doesn't come back for awhile. None of his claims have been anything unusual or hard to swallow, either.

Because this forum is mostly a place for APs, it's not surprising that most people hide their identity. But some here are known (including me), and some are known to certain posters here. For example, I've met Axel and others from here in person, but of course would never out their identities.

There's also a lot of posters here whom I have no idea who they are in real life, nor do I care.

Everyone knows who Rob is, but you just have to take him with a grain of salt, and realize that he's been a longtime troll, and always will be.

I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems. At least Rob never tries to act like a victim here.

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An AP who migrated from another gambling website to here put a brand new name and was outed by another Poster from that first website and the AP was understandably upset. He said something like,"Thanks for blowing my cover. The fact that I came here with a brand new name should have been a glaring red alert sign that I didn't want to be outed."

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I pretty much see kewlJ the same way, except he gets on my nerves sometimes because he plays victim when he's often the cause of his own problems.

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Why...act like the victim for being called a liar? The reason people call you a liar is because you have a habit of lying on forums. How is that hard to understand?

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Yes you must be so sad as your posts are about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

You must have a mental problem because you display homophobic dislike of yourself for being gay. It’s a nasty queer trait of self loathing homosexuals that manifests with ugly queers. We’ve all meet at least one in our lifetime. It’s that trait you display that give all the good gays a bad name.

As stated you’re a slow moving car wreck. I got beer and popcorn, I love watching you unravel.

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EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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I've no interest in owning an EV as I am a petrolhead.

I ride my bike daily, weather permitting: not because I have to but because it is good exercise.

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EV's are for pussys. Just like bicycles.

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I've no interest in owning an EV as I am a petrolhead.

I ride my bike daily, weather permitting: not because I have to but because it is good exercise.

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you. Like what is it there that you like so much outside of gas stations being more common than charging?

It is like someone saying- nah I don't want a car I'm a cowboy.

Evs aren't some great thing or advance in the experience but I don't think a dinosaur oil burning to be something to cling to either? You aren't a political nut who thinks exactly as told ... so what is the reasoning there?

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you.

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I am familiar with gas engines and all associated components but know little about the electric motors powering EV's, so "familiarity" is a big factor.

The fact that EV's are quick to accelerate means nothing to me as my daily driver is a 1982 Volvo 244 Turbo: not slow but certainly not fast.

I have a problem with the limited range of EV's and the dearth of charging stations; I also have a problem with the idea that the battery will wear out and need replacement.

Then again, I'm a bit of a Luddite: while I don't fear change per se I do not embrace it, preferring to rely on the Old Familiar: I don't have a smart phone or a tablet (PC only, running WIndows 7!) and as an audiophile I don't stream music, I listen to LP's and CD's plus KBOO-FM in stumptown.

Set in my ways and liking it....

There was a time, when the Automobile first came out, when some of you were born, and people were like "How am I supposed to re-fuel it, there is no gas station on the way, I can just stop and give some water to my horse from the creek over yonder."

I see people with gas cars talking negatively about EV's like that... You are comparing a horse and buggy to an automobile...

I've owned multiple EV's...

2015 Nissan Leaf
2020 Tesla Model Y
2021 Polestar II
2021 Tesla Model Y Performance
2022 Tesla Model X Plaid

I will tell you this, if you are considering an EV, if you can't use the Tesla Supercharging Network I wouldn't suggest getting that unless you know for sure you will never roadtrip it. For daily use, you will wake up with a "full tank" every day so no need to supercharge / use public chargers for daily use.

Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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The 2015 I got used in 2019. Got it for $5K and sold it during covid for like 8 or 9K.

I've had a lot of cars. Between me and my wife we used to be a 3 car family. Now its just two with the Tesla and the Bronco.

The Tesla Y's... Here is my long story short Tesla story....

We decided to get a Model Y early during Covid. We were able to get a demo unit with like 1,000 miles on it for a discount. This was like February or March 2020. Financed with very minimal down.

As soon as we got it we new we wanted the Model X (larger). So we ordered a Model X Long Range ($111K ($200 down)). Delivery was supposed to be August 2020. Fast forward to July and we get a message "Prepare for Delivery." So we sold the Model Y. At this time, you couldn't get a tesla without a very long wait so we sold it for roughly 10K more than we paid.

Literally the next day after Selling the Model Y, our "Prepare for Delivery" status turned to ETA a year from now.... So I was like fuck... We need another car... The regular Model Y had a 5-6 month wait, but the Model Y Performance was readily available (more money). So ordered a Model Y performance and took delivery within a few days (Paid cash).

Fast forward a year, we want our X! They were finally starting to deliver them but they were all Plaids (the Plaid is more expensive and at this time the Plaid was $155K). We still had no ETA for our Long Range, so I decided to try ordering a Plaid. Paid the $250 deposit and poof, not but 3 days later come get your Model X!

So we sell the Model Y performance for again $10K more than we paid, and put down $50K on the $155K plaid. At this time the Long Range (which we still had on order) was selling for $145 and figured we would keep that order and buy it to flip it...

We get our Plaid and we love it.

Fast forward 6 months, our Long Range is finally ready to pickup. At this point the market is already starting to correct and they are not reselling for much so we decided to not pickup the Long Range.

Now, the $155K plaid we purchased is something stupid like $80K New from Tesla. We hate the fact that they discounted the car so much. It is horrible what they did. I absolutely hate how Tesla operates with their pricing, but at least now, since the car market is terrible the Tesla's are more reasonably priced and they are offering incentives...

So I have a big love hate relationship with Tesla...

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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I mean, my vehicle registration for the Tesla is much greater than a gas vehicle of a similar cost.

Unless you are driving more than 250 miles a day, you don't need to find a charger away from your home...

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What makes you a petrolhead and even then why would that impact you.

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I am familiar with gas engines and all associated components but know little about the electric motors powering EV's, so "familiarity" is a big factor.

The fact that EV's are quick to accelerate means nothing to me as my daily driver is a 1982 Volvo 244 Turbo: not slow but certainly not fast.

I have a problem with the limited range of EV's and the dearth of charging stations; I also have a problem with the idea that the battery will wear out and need replacement.

Then again, I'm a bit of a Luddite: while I don't fear change per se I do not embrace it, preferring to rely on the Old Familiar: I don't have a smart phone or a tablet (PC only, running WIndows 7!) and as an audiophile I don't stream music, I listen to LP's and CD's plus KBOO-FM in stumptown.

Set in my ways and liking it....

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You can't fix a ton of modern car stuff but I agree with EVs it is basically components that you swap out. The upside though is the cars don't have near as much expensive maintenance or failures.

Depending on where and how you drive, the charging thing isn't a big deal. I honestly believe some people don't have it together enough to make those decisions properly because it is a real concern. For instance, I came home today at 5% which was really low but I only needed to drive dad fo doctor and back etc. I could have easily stopped at a super charger that was not out of the way at all and hung out for 10 minutes. Instead, I didn't have to stop anywhere, parked in the garage, and plugged it in. So instead of a few minutes messing around at a gas station - I just parked it inside and plugged 'er in.

The battery wearing out is really a thing but I'm not sure how much worse it is than ICE engines being worn out. My battery has degraded a little too fast for what I want .. I got a bit unlucky there. It remains to see if that schedule will continue or slow down.

lol LPs and CDs.. cassettes are back in fashion too.

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Originally Posted by smurgerburger

Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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If the charger is installed in the garage - why not? It takes 20 seconds to plug-in and you have max range starting out every day.

Or maybe your EV has fairly low range compared to your daily needs.

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

You can always use a generator to charge the car if that is your concern. (in the wyoming blizzard)

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Mildly curious. Why do you change cars so often?

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The 2015 I got used in 2019. Got it for $5K and sold it during covid for like 8 or 9K.

I've had a lot of cars. Between me and my wife we used to be a 3 car family. Now its just two with the Tesla and the Bronco.

The Tesla Y's... Here is my long story short Tesla story....

We decided to get a Model Y early during Covid. We were able to get a demo unit with like 1,000 miles on it for a discount. This was like February or March 2020. Financed with very minimal down.

As soon as we got it we new we wanted the Model X (larger). So we ordered a Model X Long Range ($111K ($200 down)). Delivery was supposed to be August 2020. Fast forward to July and we get a message "Prepare for Delivery." So we sold the Model Y. At this time, you couldn't get a tesla without a very long wait so we sold it for roughly 10K more than we paid.

Literally the next day after Selling the Model Y, our "Prepare for Delivery" status turned to ETA a year from now.... So I was like fuck... We need another car... The regular Model Y had a 5-6 month wait, but the Model Y Performance was readily available (more money). So ordered a Model Y performance and took delivery within a few days (Paid cash).

Fast forward a year, we want our X! They were finally starting to deliver them but they were all Plaids (the Plaid is more expensive and at this time the Plaid was $155K). We still had no ETA for our Long Range, so I decided to try ordering a Plaid. Paid the $250 deposit and poof, not but 3 days later come get your Model X!

So we sell the Model Y performance for again $10K more than we paid, and put down $50K on the $155K plaid. At this time the Long Range (which we still had on order) was selling for $145 and figured we would keep that order and buy it to flip it...

We get our Plaid and we love it.

Fast forward 6 months, our Long Range is finally ready to pickup. At this point the market is already starting to correct and they are not reselling for much so we decided to not pickup the Long Range.

Now, the $155K plaid we purchased is something stupid like $80K New from Tesla. We hate the fact that they discounted the car so much. It is horrible what they did. I absolutely hate how Tesla operates with their pricing, but at least now, since the car market is terrible the Tesla's are more reasonably priced and they are offering incentives...

So I have a big love hate relationship with Tesla...

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Another issue is the failure of EV drivers to contribute to the cost of maintaining highways / infrastructure, unlike we who pay hefty taxes on gasoline.

Also Alan's kid lives I believe in so Cal. with its plethora of green accomodations...try getting electricity in the middle of night in the midst of a blizzard in bumfuck Wyoming...

We have choices...let's not try to shame /demean / talk down at one another for the choices we've made, eh?

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I mean, my vehicle registration for the Tesla is much greater than a gas vehicle of a similar cost.

Unless you are driving more than 250 miles a day, you don't need to find a charger away from your home...

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Yea, used Tesla model Y's that aren't long range are a really good value IMO. I try to get my gf to get one. Her firm's office is on the other side of town so she is always leaving early/arriving late to avoid traffic. I'm like, go spend 20-25k and get a Tesla like I do and hten when you're stuck on the interstate, just put it in auto-drive and sit back and check emails or whatever. (Or troll Singer)

BUt I agree about the depreciation and such. I am/was a bit bitter about this. I was upside down for years on the car.

I'll tell you guys when I have to put more money into it outside of tires and windshield fluid.

ALso - I'm blown away the Tesla board is trying so hard to keep Elon on. He's toxified himself enough the libs will not get over that much unlike what people want to believe. So perhaps the alt-right types will make up for it?

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Most of the electricity used to power EV's is sourced from coal, gas or oil, correct?

New gas powered cars run much, much cleaner than they used to: air pollution isn't that big of a thing any more with new cars in America.

I enjoy working on and maintaining my old Volvo Turbo cars: parts are readily available and not particularly expensive, and there is great satisfaction and savings in DIY.

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

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Most of the electricity used to power EV's is sourced from coal, gas or oil, correct?

New gas powered cars run much, much cleaner than they used to: air pollution isn't that big of a thing any more with new cars in America.

I enjoy working on and maintaining my old Volvo Turbo cars: parts are readily available and not particularly expensive, and there is great satisfaction and savings in DIY.

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There are not coal/gas plants around where people live more or less. I'd have to read the breakdown of powre production but ultimately my car is not making the smog in a city to near the extent.

I'd rather just not have to DIY to begin with. I have some gas cars and always something if you're not driving them every few weeks. At least thats how it seems .. but the Tesla wastes power being PARKED as the computers run in the background etc. Although I guess maybe not much difference than key-fobs.

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If the charger is installed in the garage - why not? It takes 20 seconds to plug-in and you have max range starting out every day.

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Doh I was wondering why you asked such an obvious answerable question..

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You're worried about EV users not contributing their fair share? Well what about not contributing as much to the particle pollutants floating about poisoning peopel? (yea yea pile on but it is a real thing)

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Most of the electricity used to power EV's is sourced from coal, gas or oil, correct?

New gas powered cars run much, much cleaner than they used to: air pollution isn't that big of a thing any more with new cars in America.

I enjoy working on and maintaining my old Volvo Turbo cars: parts are readily available and not particularly expensive, and there is great satisfaction and savings in DIY.

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The fact that you have Volvos tells me a lot about you,

I could also see you driving a Citroen or perhaps a Peugeot.

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The fact that you have Volvos tells me a lot about you, I could also see you driving a Citroen or perhaps a Peugeot.

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I sold my Ferrari in 2020 after driving it for ten years: what does THAT tell you about me...other than I owned a Ferrari?

Now we also own a CX-5 Turbo: that tell you much?

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I sold my Ferrari in 2020 after driving it for ten years: what does THAT tell you about me...other than I owned a Ferrari?

Now we also own a CX-5 Turbo: that tell you much?

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That sort of depends.

Do you have a handlebar mustache?

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I sold my Ferrari in 2020 after driving it for ten years: what does THAT tell you about me...other than I owned a Ferrari?

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That sort of depends.

Do you have a handlebar mustache?

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Not quite.

Currently I'm rocking what I call "a modified Fu Man Chu."

EV's are only good for limited driving, such as running daily errands. I've driven only one and V, it was a 2025 Volvo...an ESX or something. It had incredibly fast acceleration. Several days later I looked it up--0-60 in 3.4 seconds, and my friend only paid less than $50k for it. That's exactly the same time my Blackwing advertises, and it cost more than two-and-a-half times more!

However---no ev could be taken on the long drives we do. I'd constantly be concerned with range, charge station locations, and availability. Plus there's the waiting. It has nothing to do with whether you're a foolish tree-hugger or not, and all to do with simple common sense. It's just too soon in the evolution period. Maybe in 20-30 years, but not today.

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However---no ev could be taken on the long drives we do. I'd constantly be concerned with range, charge station locations, and availability. Plus there's the waiting. It has nothing to do with whether you're a foolish tree-hugger or not, and all to do with simple common sense. It's just too soon in the evolution period. Maybe in 20-30 years, but not today.

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If you're not math retarded it is quite simple. There are super-chargers on all highways and the thing basically tells you which one to charge at.

I'm a busy man - a man of leisure. So instead of getting out to stretch your legs every 4 hours, you do it every 3 hours. It is far far better to have it drive you. You can totally watch everything go by. I have a rubber-banded bracket I put on the top of my steering wheel... tinted windows. I just kick back and watch movies.

Long drives are the best as is being stuck in traffic. In traffic it'll just constantly pace. In long drives you can totally kick back because it drives on the highway just fine.

I can drive 5 hours to a casino better than anything in LV and watch a movie - not have to deal with an airplane or airport.

Only thing I agree with singer is there is simple common sense involved in whether to buy one.

If you have the dough and build out a real solar system you don't even have to depend on others for fuel anymore. Harder to repair but need so fewer repairs.

Singer would be hard pressed to find any reasonable trip he ever takes to not be readily chargeable.

I agree though if you are relying on a single charger...

You can always pack a generator in the trunk lol.

You're 90% theory and 10% reality. You dont go anywhere or do anything if it doesn't have something to do with "casinos"....and they'll wait for you because they're always open. Additionally....you haven't ever been able to find someone who'll marry you, so you have no idea what it means to create the safest, most comfortable surroundings possible for someone other than yourself and your selfish interests. And on long trips, you want hassle-free security. Watching "tv" doesn't cut it in the real world. Neither do 45 minute "charging stops". Get real.

V, the states make up for EV owners not paying road maintenance etc. thru fuel taxes by charging them an additional fee every time they register & renew. Don't know (or care) if it's enuf to offset. Those people have more than enough worries, apprehension and anxieties when it comes to road trips.

RIP Charlie Kirk. Without him and his caring genius on waking up the younger generations to all the woke nonsense the last liberal administration tried to shove down Americans' throats, Donald Trump would likely not be our president. Imagine....just try to IMAGINE...if kackling Kamala were in the Oval Office today.......

The Presidential Medal of Freedom is not enough.

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You're 90% theory and 10% reality. You dont go anywhere or do anything if it doesn't have something to do with "casinos"....and they'll wait for you because they're always open. Additionally....you haven't ever been able to find someone who'll marry you, so you have no idea what it means to create the safest, most comfortable surroundings possible for someone other than yourself and your selfish interests. And on long trips, you want hassle-free security. Watching "tv" doesn't cut it in the real world. Neither do 45 minute "charging stops". Get real.

V, the states make up for EV owners not paying road maintenance etc. thru fuel taxes by charging them an additional fee every time they register & renew. Don't know (or care) if it's enuf to offset. Those people have more than enough worries, apprehension and anxieties when it comes to road trips.

RIP Charlie Kirk. Without him and his caring genius on waking up the younger generations to all the woke nonsense the last liberal administration tried to shove down Americans' throats, Donald Trump would likely not be our president. Imagine....just try to IMAGINE...if kackling Kamala were in the Oval Office today.......

The Presidential Medal of Freedom is not enough.

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Ehh my gf wants to marry me last I knew. Many many hints and speaking of it. She's an attorney (a partner) in charge of big settlements and I'm absolutely sure more accomplished than the thing that married you. Like I said kewl er uhm I mean Rob, lol.

Wtf does going to casinos have to do with the things? All hotels let you checkin at most times. If you think adding 30 min to a day of driving makes it impossible to schedule trips then it is nothing but a testament to your lack of basic math abiliity.

I agree that if you're functionally retarded EVs are probably not a good thing.

Your common sense is that of a retard, Rob.

Yea I semi respected kirk. He would duck the really smart kids if he IDed him but I give him props for his approach even if a bit cowardly at times. I can argue all day with people like you and look like a genius but that isn't because I'm a genius. Same thing with Charlie. Rip

Are EV's becoming politicized as well, such that libs like 'em and conservatives eschew them?

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Is this a serious question? It has been like that for years. I have to think you are trolling.

THis is like the only reason I can see why Tesla wants to keep Elon so bad - he isn't toxic to the right so maybe they'll actually buy more EVs since so many libs already have.

Not a troll.

Didn't Trump have an EV?

Retards will politicize anything.

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Not a troll.

Didn't Trump have an EV?

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And? Didn't Elon do a lot to get Trump elected? What does a single $80k car (or whatever model) have to do with anything? What are you asking?

I can't believe you could seriously have this question. I guess you just spend all your time trolling on gambling forums and not paying attention?

EVs are so hated on by right-wingers. Go read articles on EVs in FoxNews. They had a woman declare they're not ready for going across country but she literally chose the worst EV for doing it. No one here would ever tell you to go buy a Chevy Bolt or whatever to go across the country. Things have been constantly changing so there are other options outsides of Teslas but yea bro. It is all tied into the cultural wars. Cliimate change is mostly made up and it is all a conspiracy to control you. Some variations on that. Go ask an AI engine.... this is too obvious for me to be commenting on.

Somebody said something like “Everything is so politicized that you have thousands of people who do nothing but look for people who do retarded things & might be associated with the political party they are opposed to so they can highlight it, & try to tie it into that whole group, even though most people (unless they are also retards) understand that there are a lot of retards or people doing retarded things on all sides of the political spectrum.”

Someone also said something like “In the meantime while both political parties rob us blind right under our noses they keep everybody distracted by highlighting all the retarded shit people keep doing on the political side they are opposed to so no one has any attention span left to see that the political side they support (whichever one it is) is jamming it in really hard from behind without using any type of lubricant.”

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I never said it was a serious question, it was just a question, a brain fart if you will.

I don't watch Fox news and my media sources haven't touched on the issue.

So yeah, my suspicion was correct...as they often are...

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Not a troll.

Didn't Trump have an EV?

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I don’t think he is driving himself around too much anymore.

Probably not for quite a long awhile.

I think he uses mostly public transportation now.

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Somebody said something like “Everything is so politicized that you have thousands of people who do nothing but look for people who do retarded things & might be associated with the political party they are opposed to so they can highlight it, & try to tie it into that whole group, even though most people (unless they are also retards) understand that there are a lot of retards or people doing retarded things on all sides of the political spectrum.”

Someone also said something like “In the meantime while both political parties rob us blind right under our noses they keep everybody distracted by highlighting all the retarded shit people keep doing on the political side they are opposed to so no one has any attention span left to see that the political side they support (whichever one it is) is jamming it in really hard from behind without using any type of lubricant.”

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I was just ranting about this elsewhere. Outrage media. Something. incredible.

This is as close to my opinion as I've seen in awhile... but yea it really has become outrage media. It works. People want to be outraged.

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I never said it was a serious question, it was just a question, a brain fart if you will.

I don't watch Fox news and my media sources haven't touched on the issue.

So yeah, my suspicion was correct...as they often are...

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i'll bite .. what as your "suspicion" ?

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I "suspected" that the issue of EV ownership had become politicized.

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i'll bite .. what as your "suspicion" ?

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But you didnt realize it had been politicized for years? You seem to think it is something recent. Tesla ownership is no longer what defines EV ownership. Get off gambling forum for a few minutes a day.

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i'll bite .. what as your "suspicion" ?

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I "suspected" that the issue of EV ownership had become politicized.

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Pretty much anything that can be politicized has been politicized nowadays.

Here’s some things that were not political before, but are now:

Soda, beer, straws vaccines, fluoride, masks, lattes, & soy milk.

Just a short list, but there are many more & I’m sure more are coming.

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i'll bite .. what as your "suspicion" ?

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Pretty much anything that can be politicized has been politicized nowadays.

Here’s some things that were not political before, but are now:

Soda, beer, straws vaccines, fluoride, masks, lattes, & soy milk.

Just a short list, but there are many more & I’m sure more are coming.

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Yea outrage media .. capitalism + influencers imo has led us to this. News is purely about pulling in engagement.

Evs are slightly different as there has been an organized campaign.

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My oh my you condescending little shit...you know nothing of me and my life.

Go fuck yourself big mouth.

Nothing personal...

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My oh my you condescending little shit...you know nothing of me and my life.

Go fuck yourself big mouth.

Nothing personal...

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lmao hammer hit the nail on the head I guess.

For a guy who prouds himself as a shit-stirrer or whatever the fuck you sure were triggered.

It sure appears AQ is a member of Antifa. What other choice does a no-life have?

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"Triggered?"

Hardly.

No, I'm just irked that you, a seeming forum addict, have the fucking gall to admonish me for engaging in the same behavior you relish, i.e. jumping in on posts to give your slant on things.

I won't be muzzled.

Hypocrite.

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"Triggered?"

Hardly.

No, I'm just irked that you, a seeming forum addict, have the fucking gall to admonish me for engaging in the same behavior you relish, i.e. jumping in on posts to give your slant on things.

I won't be muzzled.

Hypocrite.

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I post on one forum dumbass. One that is exceptionally low traffic. How many do you post on?

I'm just pointing out - if you haven't realized that EVs are (and have been) highly politicized then you should spend less time on gambling forums.

If this forum actually IS the only gambling forum you post on - then I retract my statement. If you post on more than 2 then you need to shush and take my correct observation and scurry along.


.... or propose to Tasha and make an honest woman out of 'er

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Serious question - Lets assume I am a "no-life". Is that better than having no life but feeling the need to make one up?

;)

Daughter's pool house casino forever.

Stand up to hate Mr. V!

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I post on one forum dumbass... I'm just pointing out - if you haven't realized that EVs are (and have been) highly politicized then you should spend less time on gambling forums.

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Huh?

First, I freakin' HATE EV's and would never own one: bah, humbug.

Second, I've seen no news articles about this issue.

Third, I actually need to spend more time on gambling forums...unlike reading the news about America Today the trolling on gambling forums warms the cockles of my heart.

And finally, fourth, I did glean that the oaf is doing away with the EV tax credit: that led me to my suspicion, given Biden was in favor of it.

I suppose I blithely believed that MAGA probably embraced them as well since Trump's butt boy, Elon, made them.

Whatever, dude...you wanna dance?

Let's dance...

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I post on one forum dumbass... I'm just pointing out - if you haven't realized that EVs are (and have been) highly politicized then you should spend less time on gambling forums.

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Huh?

First, I freakin' HATE EV's and would never own one: bah, humbug.

Second, I've seen no news articles about this issue.

Third, I actually need to spend more time on gambling forums...unlike reading the news about America Today the trolling on gambling forums warms the cockles of my heart.

And finally, fourth, I did glean that the oaf is doing away with the EV tax credit: that led me to my suspicion, given Biden was in favor of it.

I suppose I blithely believed that MAGA probably embraced them as well since Trump's butt boy, Elon, made them.

Whatever, dude...you wanna dance?

Let's dance...

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No one cares what you think about EVs just like no one cares what I think about EVs. I'll tell you about them but no one cares about my opinion.

I don't think I've seen a news article "on this issue" but it just seems kinda obvious to me and I guess I must have overestimated your general awaraeness.

Elon hasn't been known as MAGA until the past year. We've been talking about Teslas on here for years and you could readily tell. At least you're being forthright explaining your views however you still didn't admit to how many gambling forums you post on. ;)

No, I don't want to dance. If this is some sort of tough troll talk then please leave me out weirdo.

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you still didn't admit to how many gambling forums you post on. ;)No, I don't want to dance. If this is some sort of tough troll talk then please leave me out weirdo.

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What does it matter as to how many gambling forums I post on?

I'm retired...I've all the time in the world.

I spend more time online viewing youtube and newsfeeds than I do gambling forums.

As for the reference to dancing: it was an invitation: you seem to want to make this "personal" and I was simply indicating my willingness to oblige, i.e. "Let's get ready to rumble."

No threats, no violence, just scorn, abuse, cheap shots and insults...that's the way we do it.

AQ proves he has no meaningful life more and more with every bitter post. That's exactly what those who have the need to tell normal folks what's "wrong" with them, do--especially when it's on an anemic forum. And just as kew does, when he creates his online life that he believes others marvel at--even while admitting to having no family or woman due to his oddball old man personality--he thinks he's impressing with a low-bar approach.

Angry....disappointment in life....no family....casino rat....EV crusader....online keyboard warrior....hater of successful people....ANTIFA by any other name.

Why is this retard commenting in a thread about an event that he can't afford?

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AQ proves he has no meaningful life more and more with every bitter post. That's exactly what those who have the need to tell normal folks what's wrong with them, do--especially when it's on an anemic forum. And just as kew does, when he creates his online life that he believes others marvel at--even while admitting to having no family or woman due to his oddball old man personality--he thinks he's impressing with a low-bar approach.

Angry....disappointment in life....no family....casino rat....EV crusader....online keyboard warrior....hater of successful people....ANTIFA by any other name.

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I kinda feel like i actually hurt your feelings in there but the truth needs to be pointed out.

I haven't created any life people marvel at except to say my gf is successful and last I knew wanted to marry me. lol. Yes, marvel at me, Rob.

People are funny. You supposedly had this successful life and didn't you once even say you worked for some secretive government agency? I can't recall. But all this - yes you still found a need to write a column in some free gambling rag. Then you wrote a book based on nonsensical math that was an attempt to gain respect. You've been caught in numerous lies on this forum along trying to gain respect.

It isn't me making up a life trying to impress people, buddy. That is all you. I know it sucks. It stings. But thats how it is...

Look, I'm sure you impressed some people over the course of your life. Realizse that because I don't care to beat you down repeatedly. I do have a strong sense of the truth and so I respond but I don't want to make some oold man look back over his life and wince in the psychological pain of being a loser in relation to his peers.

The only reason I even brought up my gf was as a response to your made up nonsense. The stuff I'm saying is all based on things you've publicly said or done. I don't say it to be mean. I don't saty it to hurt you. I would prefer it didn't. Your whole life has been a crusade to gain credilbility and on this little forum you've gained absolutely none. That is just a truthful statement. Nothing more.

Keep the chin up though. You often have some really funny ones. If you want to keep beating up on me, please do. We've seen how you relentlesly hound Kewl. Clearly there is some psychological need that has to be fulfilled. Maybe you hate him because he was far more widely believed for so long? I don't know. I really don't... but be happy Rob, be happy.

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Have no fear on THAT score.

I've no doubt that Rob is in fact quite "happy."

As well he should be: let's break it down.

I am certain he worked overseas as I've seen proof of his former address in England.

In his earlier years he obviously loved playing VP, and he had his own ideas as to the best plays: perhaps for ego or fame he got into writing about it and people read it: which is more than most of us have accomplished, given few of us seek an audience wider than our immediate friends and family.

A key source of his joy has to be his trolling this and other gambling boards, purely for shits and giggles: I've no doubt that he correctly finds it to be "great sport," trying to pick off low-hanging fruit.

Yeah he's getting long in the tooth but that is to his credit: he's survived and seems healthy enough, what more is there to life other than simply living it on your own terms?

Sure, I've given him grief over the years...he expects it, it's an expected response to his shtick.

Your criticisms, while arguably apt, no doubt wash off of him like water off of a duck.

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Have no fear on THAT score.

I've no doubt that Rob is in fact quite "happy."

As well he should be: let's break it down.

I am certain he worked overseas as I've seen proof of his former address in England.

In his earlier years he obviously loved playing VP, and he had his own ideas as to the best plays: perhaps for ego or fame he got into writing about it and people read it: which is more than most of us have accomplished, given few of us seek an audience wider than our immediate friends and family.

A key source of his joy has to be his trolling this and other gambling boards, purely for shits and giggles: I've no doubt that he correctly finds it to be "great sport," trying to pick off low-hanging fruit.

Yeah he's getting long in the tooth but that is to his credit: he's survived and seems healthy enough, what more is there to life other than simply living it on your own terms?

Sure, I've given him grief over the years...he expects it, it's an expected response to his shtick.

Your criticisms, while arguably apt, no doubt wash off of him like water off of a duck.

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Awww, he needs someone to back him up.

I disagree that he is obviously happy. The way he goes after Kewl is something special, much like Mdawg. That sort of thing does not come from a person who underneath it all is a happy person. How often does Singer just post something that is neutral and not trying to tear down someone or some group? What happy person does that?

The weird thing is both Kewl and Singer have more in common than most of this board and that is elaborate stories to try and prove their pro-gambler bona-fides. It is funny how these types of people tend to turn on each other. It is like seeing a big bullshitter at a poker game and here comes another big bullshitter. They almost ALWAYS dislike each other because they're basically jealous of the attention the other gets. We see that a lot at play with Singer and Kewl but hey, mister V says Rob is a happy guy then sure.

I'll actually agree that he may be more or less happy in his day to day life but if he was half of what he said he was - he wouldn't go through the effort he does to destroy Kewl. I do sometihng similar so maybe I shouldn't even point this out but there is something different there. It isn't just shits and giggles with Singer. He is really out there to cause Kewl pain and repeatedly.

It is odd how you stick up for both of these guys. Kewl I can actually understand because he is pitiful in many ways? But Singer? nah. give him the UNDENIABLE TRUTH.

If my value system was aligned such that writing nonsense and getting attention from fools was an accomplishment then we would agree he accomplished something there.

Oh he worked in England! Oh wow! great... and you have proof. Lol. who cares. He had 50 years to do that. Lots of people have been given a chance to work overseas. But whatevers brah.

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...be happy Rob, be happy.

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Have no fear on THAT score.

I've no doubt that Rob is in fact quite "happy."

As well he should be: let's break it down.

I am certain he worked overseas as I've seen proof of his former address in England.

In his earlier years he obviously loved playing VP, and he had his own ideas as to the best plays: perhaps for ego or fame he got into writing about it and people read it: which is more than most of us have accomplished, given few of us seek an audience wider than our immediate friends and family.

A key source of his joy has to be his trolling this and other gambling boards, purely for shits and giggles: I've no doubt that he correctly finds it to be "great sport," trying to pick off low-hanging fruit.

Yeah he's getting long in the tooth but that is to his credit: he's survived and seems healthy enough, what more is there to life other than simply living it on your own terms?

Sure, I've given him grief over the years...he expects it, it's an expected response to his shtick.

Your criticisms, while arguably apt, no doubt wash off of him like water off of a duck.

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Awww, he needs someone to back him up.

I disagree that he is obviously happy. The way he goes after Kewl is something special, much like Mdawg. That sort of thing does not come from a person who underneath it all is a happy person. How often does Singer just post something that is neutral and not trying to tear down someone or some group? What happy person does that?

The weird thing is both Kewl and Singer have more in common than most of this board and that is elaborate stories to try and prove their pro-gambler bona-fides. It is funny how these types of people tend to turn on each other. It is like seeing a big bullshitter at a poker game and here comes another big bullshitter. They almost ALWAYS dislike each other because they're basically jealous of the attention the other gets. We see that a lot at play with Singer and Kewl but hey, mister V says Rob is a happy guy then sure.

I'll actually agree that he may be more or less happy in his day to day life but if he was half of what he said he was - he wouldn't go through the effort he does to destroy Kewl. I do sometihng similar so maybe I shouldn't even point this out but there is something different there. It isn't just shits and giggles with Singer. He is really out there to cause Kewl pain and repeatedly.

It is odd how you stick up for both of these guys. Kewl I can actually understand because he is pitiful in many ways? But Singer? nah. give him the UNDENIABLE TRUTH.

If my value system was aligned such that writing nonsense and getting attention from fools was an accomplishment then we would agree he accomplished something there.

Oh he worked in England! Oh wow! great... and you have proof. Lol. who cares. He had 50 years to do that. Lots of people have been given a chance to work overseas. But whatevers brah.

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Singer is a master troll. He has been for decades. You obviously know that, yet you waste your time responding to him and about him. That says more about you than him. He's got you right where he wants you.

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Have no fear on THAT score.

I've no doubt that Rob is in fact quite "happy."

As well he should be: let's break it down.

I am certain he worked overseas as I've seen proof of his former address in England.

In his earlier years he obviously loved playing VP, and he had his own ideas as to the best plays: perhaps for ego or fame he got into writing about it and people read it: which is more than most of us have accomplished, given few of us seek an audience wider than our immediate friends and family.

A key source of his joy has to be his trolling this and other gambling boards, purely for shits and giggles: I've no doubt that he correctly finds it to be "great sport," trying to pick off low-hanging fruit.

Yeah he's getting long in the tooth but that is to his credit: he's survived and seems healthy enough, what more is there to life other than simply living it on your own terms?

Sure, I've given him grief over the years...he expects it, it's an expected response to his shtick.

Your criticisms, while arguably apt, no doubt wash off of him like water off of a duck.

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Awww, he needs someone to back him up.

I disagree that he is obviously happy. The way he goes after Kewl is something special, much like Mdawg. That sort of thing does not come from a person who underneath it all is a happy person. How often does Singer just post something that is neutral and not trying to tear down someone or some group? What happy person does that?

The weird thing is both Kewl and Singer have more in common than most of this board and that is elaborate stories to try and prove their pro-gambler bona-fides. It is funny how these types of people tend to turn on each other. It is like seeing a big bullshitter at a poker game and here comes another big bullshitter. They almost ALWAYS dislike each other because they're basically jealous of the attention the other gets. We see that a lot at play with Singer and Kewl but hey, mister V says Rob is a happy guy then sure.

I'll actually agree that he may be more or less happy in his day to day life but if he was half of what he said he was - he wouldn't go through the effort he does to destroy Kewl. I do sometihng similar so maybe I shouldn't even point this out but there is something different there. It isn't just shits and giggles with Singer. He is really out there to cause Kewl pain and repeatedly.

It is odd how you stick up for both of these guys. Kewl I can actually understand because he is pitiful in many ways? But Singer? nah. give him the UNDENIABLE TRUTH.

If my value system was aligned such that writing nonsense and getting attention from fools was an accomplishment then we would agree he accomplished something there.

Oh he worked in England! Oh wow! great... and you have proof. Lol. who cares. He had 50 years to do that. Lots of people have been given a chance to work overseas. But whatevers brah.

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Singer is a master troll. He has been for decades. You obviously know that, yet you waste your time responding to him and about him. That says more about you than him. He's got you right where he wants you.

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Lol. Okey dokey. The guy spent big parts of his life writing for a gambling rag to come off as an expert. He wrote a book with la aughingly interpretation of "math". I used to be on the fence on whether he is a purposeful clown like you seem to think or an old dying man desperate to somehow have a life with a bit of relevance. I'll go with the latter..

Me, myself, much like Singer have a sadistic side.

Some will laugh..some won't. But Kewl is an easy target for Rob and Rob is one for me.

This forum was better when mickey and rob were enemies instead of butt buddies.

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One hundred fucking percent.

It is sad Mickey was bamboozled by his bullshit.

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Nice pictures....but I'm enjoying watching another AQ meltdown over me even more! It's slightly more satisfying to see than the constant deserved mockings kew endures by being here. Kew's an admitted punching bag--and weak to the core, which he knows. AQ? This fool comes to the party wearing his newest and best, always trying to communicate anything but chumpiness. While kew knows about and resdily accepts the chocolate streaks, HE actually thinks his underware just came out of a new Sears 3-pack...each and every day. Of course, he has no one near to help him navigate thru all that confusion. :) And every minute he's on here, he marches to the beat of MY drum.

Maybe I'll call it --- SDS :)

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Is a Sears 3 pack of underwear an antique unopened thing like baseball cards or does Singer go out of his way to shop at one of the 3 remaining Sears because he's too set in his ways to learn about Target?

Honestly this whole post is rather bizarre and bordering on nonsensical. One guy sides with Singer and Singer starts thumping his chest posting up deluded barely coherent nonsense.

Lord, do not let me succumb to such sad behavior in my latter days.

Amen.

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Nice pictures....but I'm enjoying watching another AQ meltdown over me even more! It's slightly more satisfying to see than the constant deserved mockings kew endures by being here. Kew's an admitted punching bag--and weak to the core, which he knows. AQ? This fool comes to the party wearing his newest and best, always trying to communicate anything but chumpiness. While kew knows about and resdily accepts the chocolate streaks, HE actually thinks his underware just came out of a new Sears 3-pack...each and every day. Of course, he has no one near to help him navigate thru all that confusion. :) And every minute he's on here, he marches to the beat of MY drum.

Maybe I'll call it --- SDS :)

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Is a Sears 3 pack of underwear an antique unopened thing like baseball cards or does Singer go out of his way to shop at one of the 3 remaining Sears because he's too set in his ways to learn about Target?

Honestly this whole post is rather bizarre and bordering on nonsensical. One guy sides with Singer and Singer starts thumping his chest posting up deluded barely coherent nonsense.

Lord, do not let me succumb to such sad behavior in my latter days.

Amen.

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The LAST thing a loner like you believes in is The Lord. Your life being in the toilet makes you a victim in desperate need of your safe space....right?

And my oh my....mickey--an AP whom you've met and respected--is an "easily bamboozled " one??

Severe SDS.

I missed all the EV talk.
Technically I've missed about 99% of the posts for the last 6 months or so.
Anyways, they are literally giving away the Ford Escape right now.
Personally, I would only buy the PHEV (Plug-In) version.
I can't believe how much I love the car.
It zips in and out of traffic all over town and after about a month, I'm still at 95% of my first tank of gas.
Sometimes I use it in Sport Mode just to feel the difference in power.
I got mine for 31k out the door and got the one without the power moon roof.
Rather have the more standard version and not worry about leaks or gremlins.
If you haggle more, I wouldn't doubt that you can get them to 30 or 29k.
Or if you play the MaxPen game and get more discount, with financing, only to pay it off 10 days later, with no penalty.
This car is for city driving though, and 30 miles average per session IMO.
Yes, it doesn't have an AWD option in the Plug-In version, but you don't need that for what it is.
And to be honest, FWD is cheaper, better and has less maintenance cost and or breaks down far less often.

Why didn't you get a Tesla?

I see Elon said he'd quit if Tesla shareholders didn't approve a pay package which could give him $1.1 Trillion dollars.

Tesla seems to no longer be the darling it once was, given the failure of the cyber truck and the lack of new innovation / ideas / product.