Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
There is, of course, a way to objectively determine how successful a gambler is, and that is to examine their tax returns.

Not that Redietz, KJ or the hound should or would disclose them to a trusted, neutral party such as Dan for examination and then feedback to the forum: but they could.

Of course it will never happen and so questions will remain unanswered...not that the questions really matter.
Here is the jist of it MrV. what you call successful gamblers, and I call advantage players, don't need some 3rd party to monitor results. Results are reflected in our bank accounts. because that is what it is really about....making money.

If we share something monetarily, like what we made on a play or made for a year on a public forum, people can believe that or not. I always say, most reasonable people should be able to put it together with what knowledge the person has demonstrated they know, if they can explain what they do and what the advantage is ect. But no one is going to prove anything to strangers on an internet forum. For what? No more than you or any other non-Ap is going to prove what is in their bank account right now. Why would anyone. no one is on trial.

Now the big difference with the redietz claiming 3rd party verification, still proves nothing about what he or one of these other "tout" type actually won or lost or made for any period of time. All that verification is....is a tool that can enable them to gain new clients. The verification doesn't add 1 cent to their bank accounts. No extra money. To the contrary...they pay for that. So that should be a red flag. It is just so they can pull out a piece of paper when soliciting clients and say "see this, I finished 3rd in xxx last year or 2 years ago" (cherry-picking the good years).
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Red wants to make it seem like the verification is some kind of righteous thing. He is verified by some 3rd party that you pay for <- But in reality it is only for the purpose of attracting new "marks" or clients.

This "touting" scam or hustle seems to be a big thing in the sports betting world. Not illegal. But you always have to ask yourself, if someone, anyone is able to pick sports at 56-57% or more to win overcoming the vig, why are they selling those picks. Why the hell aren't they just betting, winning, pocketing the money. over and over and over. License to print money.

And by the way...same think with every other freaking system or betting pattern that someone claims on these forums, or youtube. If someone really found the holy grail, something that really worked, they wouldn't be selling it. They would spend every minute and every dollar applying it.


Which BTW, how is that progression system going Rob? Rob who lives with his daughter.
Again, by KewlJ(s) logic, or lack thereof, there should be no investment counselors or financial advisors in the world. That simple.

The "APs" hide in the dark and tell stories. Some stories, like mickey's, make some sense and have some inner consistency. Some, like the KewlJ(s), do not. Either way, very little can be corroborated, if any of it.

As opposed to handicappers in public view, with their records ATS on display for all to see, with multiple clients who know each other and can compare notes and blow the whistle on the handicapper at any time. You decide which stories are more likely to be fairy tales. Again, that simple.
My sole motivation in gambling was to create wealth, not to impress you and the public. You are free to believe whatever you want. But what you believe has no bearing on my bottom line. Your beliefs about what I do are irrelevant.

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you? Bwahahahahahaha!!! Get a clue. I don't care what you believe about it....and never will.