Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

+100

There is nothing that equates to this 3rd party monitoring tD
Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con. Eventually, there was a crackdown, legal issues, and wising up...the gig was up.

Now what do you do? People realize they can't allow such outrageous bullshit win percentages, however they still need to suckers to bet and invest in their bullshit.

Enter the BS sports betting moderating business that fudges numbers to make everything seem legitimate. They shave a point here or there from the actual numbers that are available. For example, the touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win.

They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available. As we all know, just a few points either way significantly raise your percentage.


Well, it's nice to just invent stories, which is what Axelwolf is now doing. Let's try, rather than speculation-without-facts, an actual true event.

Who do you think was the first to take USA Today to task in 1982 (the first year it began publishing) when they ran a full page of ad blocks devoted to services with claims of 82-9 ATS and 108-13 ATS and so on? The ads were running every Friday in every edition.

That would be me, the inimitable founder of something called Integrity Sports, which is corny, of course, but that was kind of the point. That name, attached to my face, made me the most obvious target if I fudged one number, which I never, ever did. I called USA Today directly (no internet in those days) and wrote to them to let them know they were off the factual wagon with what they were allowing as ads. I told them what real numbers would look like, and that what they were allowing was asinine.

Now what will the all-knowing Axelwolf's response be to this pithy history lesson? Axelwolf has no actual information, just surmises based on a lifetime of hanging out with scumbags and gambling addicts. Why speculate when you actually know nothing?

If anyone is an expert on competing against liars and cheats and bullshitters, it would probably be the guy who never fudged a number and ran something called Integrity Sports. I got so much grief for that name (because it is kind of stupid), but people quickly understood what I was about and how I did things. It's why I was invited into the Wise Guys and why I was invited to be in Who's Who in Sports Gambling in 1984. It's probably why magazines like The Humanist vetted me and published me and why I was vetted to present a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. My reputation in this business has always been absolutely pristine. Otherwise I wouldn't have lived up to the stupid-or-not name.

P.S. My superior half loved the name, by the way. I think she may have been the only one.
So, since you are the, ahem, honest tout, I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing corroborating evidence that you took USA to task on their sports betting advertising. Or are we supposed to just take a tout for his word?