The Verdict Is?

[Gottlob1]

The verdict is

GUILTY OF FRAUD

Hardly. No money changed hands, with no thus promises made.

[MaxPen]

The verdict is

GUILTY OF FRAUD

Hardly. No money changed hands, with no thus promises made.

Semantics. Now get back to muttering your gibberish...RIP

[Gottlob1]

Yes, of course, that's the whole point of it. However, on the one hand, there is so much more to it than a prize of any sort and degree, compared to the true satisfaction of successfully completing something very significant over quite a period of time, but, on the other hand, the simple reward of you, and Monet, still being only you, and Monet, on an essentially dead gambling forum of essentially zero value, and traffic.

So, you, too, did it, albeit something totally different, as did KJ, along with his very own online friends, for well over a decade, and, as with him, only to yourselves, but, with your "prize" already firmly in hand. Neither of any redeemable value. Enjoy the squalor that was, and has further become your lives. Say, as the bottle caps used to read, "Better luck next time." Ha.
P.S. Standby for the real deal.

I use this forum to discuss documentaries, movies and, occasionally music. So for me the forum has value.

The "value" of discussing thirty-year-old corny classics that you've each watched at least five times, with only Monet, to the point of pretending to be highly reviewed movie, and music, critics?

Now I wonder that you are the poor cousin, but, Monet, the rich one. I mean, with all of the supposedly important AP-emails - before Druff, Druff, let on that he reads them all - that changed hands between you, and, Monet, then shouldn't you be putting up pictures of the likes of his supposed $40,000 jackpots?

[Gottlob1]

The verdict is

GUILTY OF FRAUD

Hardly. No money changed hands, with no thus promises made.

Semantics. Now get back to muttering your gibberish...RIP

Hardly. And, it hardly takes two lawyers, or the likes of PosV, or you. I realized that KJ was totally full of it, at least ten years ago, after he posted up rather disparate earnings results, supposedly, for consecutive years of very similar play. I mean, anyone who did thus simulations could immediately spot the nonsense. After tens of thousand of hands of anything, you're going to get results down to the same second decimal place, each time.

P.S. It never ceases to amaze me how almost every single one of you guys is five to ten years behind the times.

And, years later, KJ looking at the other two tables in the mirrors on the ceiling. Betting, supposedly, $706 instead of $700 to fool the pit. Good God. Anyone who believed such, sight unseen, let alone argue endlessly over it, has to have his head examined.

[kewlJ]

I realized that KJ was totally full of it, at least ten years ago, after he posted up rather disparate earnings results, supposedly, for consecutive years of very similar play. I mean, anyone who did thus simulations could immediately spot the nonsense. After tens of thousand of hands of anything, you're going to get results down to the same second decimal place, each time.

Betting, supposedly, $706 instead of $700 to fool the pit. Good God.

BillYung do you just make shit up to suit yourself? This is the kind of stuff that irks me and ends up drawing me back in for no reason, but it does irk me.

Let's start with the second statement $706 instead of $700. Never said anything even remotely like this. Not even the same universe. Betting odd amounts is known as rainbow wagering because it involved different denomination and color chips. Some "shot-takers" both AP and not AP's attempt to do this trying to entice dealer mistakes which they will point out when not in their favor and say nothing when it is in their favor. But pit folks now know this so betting odd amounts only draws a little extra attention from pit.

More importantly for me, I am an opponent of rainbow wagering (or betting odd amounts) because it slows the game down. For a card counter, time is money. Slower games means less EV and money earned. It is that simple. But additionally, when a card counter has his max bet or bigger bets out is the time he is most exposed. So again, you want the game moving along. The last thing you want to do is sit there exposed with your bigger bet while the dealer figures out the payout on some odd amount blackjack and the pit has to come over to verify. So this is just made up. I never said anything even close to this.

Now I will go back to the first statement. Consecutive years right down to the second digit. Just to be clear you are talking like $83k, two consecutive years? I got rid of most of my records for all but the last 5 years or so, not long ago. Just clogging up too much space on the computer. But I almost positive I have never had two consecutive years down to the second digit. As a matter of fact, during much of my time in Vegas, I have had "yo-yo" ing years. One under expectation, the next over, the next under....that type of thing. Trying to give you the benefit of doubt, I have talked about "averages" alot. For a long time, I was averaging just about 80k from blackjack and another 20k from supplemental AP play. But that 80k average would be 74k, 88k, 81k and so on.

So can I ask you to link to both these statements?

edit: by exposed, I mean the pit and surveillance has extra time to notice and evaluate the bet spread. That is the danger area. We want the game to move along....nice even flow.

[Gottlob1]

No. I have some decent "gibberish" to get back to, but, let it to the supposed #1 AP on here to try to prematurely discredit my results, to be posted, fairly shortly, God willing. I guess that even a theory of everything, finally, reduced to a few pages of simple math, just isn't worth his time, either. First, and last, time I made such a claim, that it's done, and, so, now it's time to put up, or, shut up. What's wrong, you guys afraid of real, and actual, proof? I know that neither AP will bet unless it's basically a sure thing, but, I had no idea how afraid of a bit of proof.

Regardless, suffice it to say that you, apparently, over as many years, have as few students as Singer, and MDawg, put together. And, so, who could care less about your millions, either? No followers translates to a bunch of hooey that ceases to exist the moment that you do.

[MDawg]

I pointed out the contradictions in his story, more than once long ago:
Part of where the UNKewl one keeps tripping himself up is in contradictions. He talks about how he barely wins $50. average in a session. At other times talks about how he buys in for so little chips - in the region of $150. - $250. - that he draws no attention to himself. Then he talks about how he declined to start another session because he was $3000. short of the "mandatory" $7000. he needs to play. Very contradictory.

I also pointed out that his entire fictionalized blackjack story fit too neatly into a "I won exactly what was expected" - someone else, I believe it was AccountInQuestion, mentioned that someone playing like that, unrated, no consistent play, couldn't even know exactly what his handle (amount passed over the circle) was, to begin to figure out what was "expected" over a period of many years.

Well, now others too know that it was all fiction. All neatly packaged into something he read about, and assumed.

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

Red to green spread, never amounting to much of anything. SeedValue was right.

Dude is a fraud.

Idiot keeps trying to deflect the fact that he was caught in a series of monstrous lies as something to do with "popularity."

It's actually pretty remarkably amusing that UNKewlJ even continues to post, anywhere, he must realize that he's made an utter fool of himself and that everyone knows he's been lying, about a great many things. That's the nature of pathology though. It's one thing to be doubted another to be caught dead to rights. And quite another to go on pretending that anyone believes a word you have to say.

Tater/Moses once described it as a nervous poodle barking at a glass of water.

[Gottlob1]

I sat down, to peel an apple, thought of the retard Axlewolf, or whatever he calls himself, who, a few months ago, talked about a fishing licence in most every state. I got around to looking it up, but, wasn't posting, then. If I recall, about $2,500 to do that. Anyway, AW went on to note that he barely did any fishing. Around the time, Crimm yakked about the west coast bars to pick up pocket change, that he liked to make that run.

Come to think of it, I almost miss old, Blackhole. Summed things up fairly well with the AP crowd. But, old, Blackhole just had to go "cray cray" with the fiddles. I guess that one of the AP nuts must have paid off Druff, Druff, to ban old, Blackhole. Ha.


P.S. Well, speak of the devil, and, there he is. The Hole just posted at GF's, another long one and funny one. Lol.

[tableplay]

The "value" of discussing thirty-year-old corny classics that you've each watched at least five times, with only Monet, to the point of pretending to be highly reviewed movie, and music, critics?

Now I wonder that you are the poor cousin, but, Monet, the rich one. I mean, with all of the supposedly important AP-emails - before Druff, Druff, let on that he reads them all - that changed hands between you, and, Monet, then shouldn't you be putting up pictures of the likes of his supposed $40,000 jackpots?

Bill, what the fuck are you talking about ? For starters, I very rarely use the PM system here. As you correctly pointed out, Dan reads everyone's PMs, so now I never use the PM system unless it is something I don't care he or the world knows about, and I rarely used it before like I wrote above. My exchanges with Monet were and are in the VCT public forum, not through PMs. I don't consider myself a movie or music critic - I just post up movies, documentaries and music that I like and watch or listen to suggestions made by Monet and others. These are often followed up by discussions of the watched or suggested material. This may not have value for you, but it has value for me.

Which do you value more, your Fields Medal, or your Physics Nobel Prize medal ?

[kewlJ]

Tater/Moses once described it as a nervous poodle barking at a glass of water.

You are quoting a guy who later admitted he was wrong. That is very dishonest. Below are Moses/taters final two posts to/about me.

KJ. I put life into 3 categories. There is divine intervention Human manipulation. Coincidence.

That be said. I am sorry about comments to you. It was never about blackjack for me. It was about winning. My son is with me now.. He has some fears I didn't know.

KJ it is not my place to judge.

Anyway KJ. I just want you to be happy. You are a bright young man. Just keep doing watch you do.

[MisterV]

KJ, you say you won't give proof of the claim.

I agree that nobody here is obligated to provide proof of any claim.

BUT (and it's a big BUT) when you did IN FACT OFFER PROOF by saying the lawsuit had been filed: well, that changes everything.

You made an affirmative representation with the intention of corroborating your story.

As people understandably doubt your claim they did the logical, sensible thing: they checked the relevant court records, looking for the filing you spoke of.

No filing was found.

One question, KJ: WHERE'S THE BEEF?

You opened the damned door, so don't go whining about the bullies finding zero corroboration to your seemingly bogus claim.

You got the attention you crave, but...is it going to be worth the price you will have to pay?

[Gottlob1]

The "value" of discussing thirty-year-old corny classics that you've each watched at least five times, with only Monet, to the point of pretending to be highly reviewed movie, and music, critics?

Now I wonder that you are the poor cousin, but, Monet, the rich one. I mean, with all of the supposedly important AP-emails - before Druff, Druff, let on that he reads them all - that changed hands between you, and, Monet, then shouldn't you be putting up pictures of the likes of his supposed $40,000 jackpots?

Bill, what the fuck are you talking about ? For starters, I very rarely use the PM system here. As you correctly pointed out, Dan reads everyone's PMs, so now I never use the PM system unless it is something I don't care he or the world knows about, and I rarely used it before like I wrote above. My exchanges with Monet were and are in the VCT public forum, not through PMs. I don't consider myself a movie or music critic - I just post up movies, documentaries and music that I like and watch or listen to suggestions made by Monet and others. These are often followed up by discussions of the watched or suggested material. This may not have value for you, but it has value for me.

Which do you value more, your Fields Medal, or your Physics Nobel Prize medal ?

You didn't check out even the "Hot Sucker" thread, which, according to Monet, was everything that an aspiring AP needed to know? Aka, the supposed guide to acquiring all manner of ultra- tacky and cheap casino gift-shop junk, to give away to friends, instead of pay a bit for something nice? What multimillionaire on the face of the planet would bother, let alone via casinos?

To your second question. Unless we're talking about the inverted logic of quantum mechanics, "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." I mean, that I didn't bother to post up much math here doesn't mean that I don't know any. Furthermore, I couldn't give a hoot about one award, or another, let alone your math hero, Terence Tao. Insofar as my very own theory of everything, I simply pursued a path that simply worked out. The only thus path, as it turns out.

[kewlJ]

KJ, you say you won't give proof of the claim.

I agree that nobody here is obligated to provide proof of any claim.

MrV, I don't know what to say to you. I know you must feel hurt and betrayed as things now stand. You have been a supporter and someone I even considers somewhat of an online friend. I am sorry that you got drug into this. I really didn't ask you to make any statements in support of me. That was your choice. But I did drag you in when I publicly asked how I could contact you privately to ask a few questions.

You are going to have to decide how you feel now and make whatever statement you want to make.

I cannot provide what you and others are asking. I am legally unable to talk about certain things and have been strongly advised not to talk about ANYTHING further. While I have said the case is over, closed ect, I can still be hauled into court for violating the terms of the agreement and a financial judgement made against me, and I am not about to do anything to give back some of the settlement money that was already not really sufficient in my mind.

Now I know there are people like Axelwolf and others saying just provide some trusted 3rd party some information. I have been advised NOT to say anything further to anyone. PERIOD. You think I should ignore this advice for some internet forum crap? NOT going to happen.

I still believe someday some stuff will come out that will answer some questions for some people. I don't know if that will be next week, next month or 2 years from now. Maybe never. But if it does, it will in no way come from me, or even be tied to me by any thread of anything.

So again, you are free to conclude whatever you like at this time. And I don't hold that against you.

[soxfan]

Bbbbwwaaahhhhh, the kewl-J gettin one-dogged all over the joint but the boy will NEVER admit that he was bulls-shitting, hey hey!!!!

[Gottlob1]

Thank you, KJ, for totally garbling V. And, of course, for whole-heartedly continuing to shit on him, for absolutely no reason at all. But, most of all, for proving out nothing of your claim. Now I'm free to go my grave, with complete confidence in the knowledge that you, too, are a total dipshit who spent almost two decades arguing with strangers for absolutely no good reason. Thank you. Ha.

[kewlJ]

Bbbbwwaaahhhhh, the kewl-J gettin one-dogged all over the joint but the boy will NEVER admit that he was bulls-shitting, hey hey!!!!

And here is a new revelation from me: I will no longer respond to ANY comment or post that ends with or even contains "hey hey!!'. If you want any kind of response from me, you will have to learn to write like a normal person.

[MisterV]

KJ, I am certainly not your enemy and still value your contributions on blackjack, even though it ain't my game.

Yes, I will conclude what I conclude; I'm just hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel.

[kewlJ]

Thank you, KJ, for totally garbling V. And, of course, for whole-heartedly continuing to shit on him, for absolutely no reason at all. But, most of all, for proving out nothing of your claim. Now I'm free to go my grave, with complete confidence in the knowledge that you, too, are a total dipshit who spent almost two decades arguing with strangers for absolutely no good reason. Thank you. Ha.

Great BillYung. Go to your grave. The sooner, the better.

You made two statements an hour ago, (1) that I advocate wagering odd amounts to fool pit folks and (2) that I reported two consecutive years with winnings down to the same second decimal. Both are kind of a minor thing, but both just totally made up. I politely and respectfully asked you to link to the statements.

Again, this particular thing is kind of minor, but it is a pattern. People just make up whatever the fuck they want about me and I am just tired of dealing with it.

On a completely unrelated note: You are a nut, with these 12 different user accounts now. Completely violating posted rules of this forum. It's like you are giving Druff the finger right to his face. A lot of people call one another mental ill or deranged. A lot of people call me mentally ill. I call Singer and Mdawg mentally ill. It has become part of the troll repertoire. YOU, BillYung are mentally ill. And that is not part of the troll repertoire.

[Gottlob1]

Thank you, KJ, for totally garbling V. And, of course, for whole-heartedly continuing to shit on him, for absolutely no reason at all. But, most of all, for proving out nothing of your claim. Now I'm free to go my grave, with complete confidence in the knowledge that you, too, are a total dipshit who spent almost two decades arguing with strangers for absolutely no good reason. Thank you. Ha.

Great BillYung. Go to your grave. The sooner, the better.

You made two statements an hour ago, (1) that I advocate wagering odd amounts to fool pit folks and (2) that I reported two consecutive years with winnings down to the same second decimal. Both are kind of a minor thing, but both just totally made up. I politely and respectfully asked you to link to the statements.

Again, this particular thing is kind of minor, but it is a pattern. People just make up whatever the fuck they want about me and I am just tired of dealing with it.

On a completely unrelated note: You are a nut, with these 12 different user accounts now. Completely violating posted rules of this forum. It's like you are giving Druff the finger right to his face. A lot of people call one another mental ill or deranged. A lot of people call me mentally ill. I call Singer and Mdawg mentally ill. It has become part of the troll repertoire. YOU, BillYung are mentally ill. And that is not part of the troll repertoire.

I didn't make up anything about you. If you don't require proof, then nor do I. Go prove that I made up anything anywhere. And, what the hell do you know about anything, let alone mental health conditions? Are you a doctor, or psychiatrist, or psychologist? I simply don't use my accounts here in random fashion, but, sequentially, on the honor system. As for the allegations (made by others) that I voted multiple times in any poll, then write Druff, Druff, again, over it. I don't believe that I've, ever, complained, however, to any moderator of any forum.

Great BillYung. Go to your grave. The sooner, the better.

Not right now, you twit.

[Gottlob1]

KJ, I am certainly not your enemy and still value your contributions on blackjack, even though it ain't my game.

Seriously, V, what the heck are you talking about? And what difference could it make were anyone his enemy, in real life?

Just like the basic chance of being back-roomed by a casino, let alone roughed up, is next to zero, the same chance of any real enemy giving a shit.

Your boy hasn't really, or actually, done anything, yet.