Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
The way to determine the cost of using full pay strategy on Ugly Ducks is to:

1. go to the software (Frugal Video Poker)
2. Pull up the Ugly Ducks
3. Go to strategy chart
4. Replace the Ugly Duck strategy with full pay strategy
5. Then click Analyze

The Ugly Ducks return is 98.91%. But using full pay strategy cuts it to 97.2%.

The reason for the big difference is the flush value. On full pay it’s 2 for 1 but on Ugly Ducks it’s 3 for 1. This radically changes the values of flush cards especially when mixed in with the deuces. On one game the 4-flush is worth more than a pair, on the other game the pair is worth more than the 4-flush. There are many more examples.
He literally doubled the house's edge and arrogantly dismisses it?

let the APs stick with gambling. When the choice is pick'a'side - regardless of the game it is a lot easier to beat.

Are you guys on drugs? At no point, in no post, none, did I say I used FPDW strategy for NSUD. I dug up the strategy card I've used for the last decade (from LVA), and it's an NSUD strategy card. So, to put it clearly, mickey was bullshitting you guys when he said the deuces wild strategy cards from LVA were all FPDW strategy cards.

Why he would write that, I have zero idea. As I said in a previous post, it makes no sense. Why would LVA sell strategy cards for a game that barely exists and not sell cards for NSUD?

Mickey wrote something that he had to know was completely wrong, and people jumped on his idiot bandwagon.

So APs really thought the LVA was selling FPDW strategy cards and not NSUD LOL. Who would believe something like that?
Everything is timing. The NSUD cards came out later. The casinos cut the comps/cashback to nothing on the full pay machines so pros went to playing NSUD on multiplier days. They hadn’t made that switch in the 90’s.

You said you mostly played Ugly Ducks. Playing NSUD on Ugly Ducks is certainly closer but you are still giving up EV. You were playing with a big deficit.