Originally Posted by jdog View Post
Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
I'm not sure what a traditional vaccine is but yes, you quoted the word as in you didn't believe it to be a vaccine.
No clue about Sweden and don't care at this point.
I'm just throwing out anecdotal stuff in response to your anecdotal stuff about the 2 friends almost dying.
Well it wasn't me who didn't think it was a vaccine... the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine in order to encompass the mRNA shots (which also happened to release big pharma from liability) but the official reason was to be more "transparent". This from the same people who stopped collecting Covid vax adverse event data about a year ago.

When you do a scientific experiment you need a 'control' group. Sweden has always been the closest thing we've had to one.

To me, knowing someone who developed ventricle fibrillation within days of the booster really brought the reality of all this home (btw this symptom was also stated in Pfizer's adverse reactions section of their trial data) but sure, it's anecdotal of course. You want data? You want articles? Sure, how much time have you got?? A study group and I dug into all this stuff for over a year and a half.
It is unfortunate but I really just don't care much anymore. It is so much political stuff. I never said the vaccination doesn't cause heart issues. That has been established. You put the word vaccine in quotes by itself which seems to suggest you don't think it is one. I believe it is, but with many unfortunate issues and and not near as efficient as we had hoped. For the most part everyone did as good of a job as they could with the exception of pharma executives but thats America and we dug that hole for ourselves.

I'm not sure what went on with Sweden. I've seen other studies that seemed solid but then there are so many confounding variables. I can go down these rabbitholes but I'm not too compelled. Everything around this is so hyper-politicized. Zerohedge is your example case in point. I could go into why that anonymous internet data is probably very questionable by now and what might motivate people to keep reporting adverse effects. (Are people forced to know about this website? Is there some proof of people actually taking the vaccination to report?) People are obsessed with this shit and weirdos at that.

Yet I'd also like it all opened up by the manufacturers.

I'm not sure why you're pissed. I'm just explaining to you why I respond the way I did. Not challenging but you seem to think your anecdotal stuff should be any more important to me than other anecdotal stuff. I guess I'm just saying people died from it just like people got sick from the vaccination. Without knowing how much it helps removing symptoms then it is really hard to compare any of it as we really don't know the tradeoffs. So many people had already caught it by the time the vaccines were available. I wouldn't be terribly surprised that by the time the vaccines rolled out - they did more harm than good due to so many people having already caught it. I caught it post-vax and had no lingering symptoms but I did get the shivers. Very weird thing for your body to shake violently as you get under covers. I really just didn't want long covid.

How this became such a political thing kinda screwed reasonable discussion. And thats from both sides. The mask lockdown tyranny started with the left so by the time the vaccinations rolled out they were already seen as the devil's blood. Too tiresome to me by now. I don't think most posters on here would even evoke a fraction of the response I've given you.