Originally Posted by jdog View Post

But I got to burst your bubble here and say pretty much all mask studies say cloth masks become pretty useless after 20mins or so after being saturated with moisture. Hell even Fauci admitted about 6 months ago that the masking thing may not have been based on actual science. So as maxpen would say: masking RIP.

A traditional vaccine... of course it is. Why would you ask me that? Because the efficacy is not 100%??
I'm not sure what a traditional vaccine is but yes, you quoted the word as in you didn't believe it to be a vaccine. The flu vaccine doesn't work that well either but you don't see it politicized and so people just accept it.

When I think of masks I don't think of the cloth masks. AFAIK they might make it worse as the thing dries out but I never bothered to wear one. I do believe it slows down the speed of your talking/mouth exhalation which should on some level keep the virus closer to the infected person and not in breath's way.


Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun.
Like what happened in Sweden?? Oh that's right, nope that didn't happen... and pretty much no lockdowns there at all in the first year. In fact their overall mortality is still much lower than the US, Italy, UK etc... We have tons of lockdown data now and no conclusion can really be drawn whether it helped or not. I've seen the data parsed up a million ways too.



Well sure we all know people who died of Covid, and some of them actually did. But we monetarily incentivized hospitals to get Covid on as many death certificates as possible, so a LOT of people died of Covid... (or with Covid... among other things) ...who knows??
No clue about Sweden and don't care at this point. Maybe I'm wrong. BTW do they have socialized healthcare?

I have no idea if the people who knew their dead needed to know what was on their death certificate. When COVID was a thing and people all at once could barely breath - it was a safe assumption. I'm just throwing out anecdotal stuff in response to your anecdotal stuff about the 2 friends almost dying. I never knew anyone directly who died but knew a few people who seemed to have long covid.

I've also noticed there tends to be a correlation between how sick people got from the vaccine and one's politics. Just like I didn't know anyone close who died, I also didn't know anyone who was close to death from the vaccine.

Anyway thats about the sum of my opinion. The lockdowns clearly hurt a lot of people financially. The PPP loan shit was a scam for the rich who didn't need it. Can't think of much else. I don't think Fauci should be arrested?