Professional Sportsbetting

[tableplay]

Secure communications and anonymity are keys to protecting one's lucrative livelihood, after all. Here's a clip of smurgerburger, tableplay, account, kewlJ exchanging "AP" insider tips. Mickey can play The Chief.

Actually, we were discussing property tax loopholes.

[mickeycrimm]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

[accountinquestion]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

Absolutely everyone knows this stuff by now. I'm not sure what your point is?

[mickeycrimm]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

Absolutely everyone knows this stuff by now. I'm not sure what your point is?

Is your memory fading? No, absolutely everyone doesn’t know this stuff by now. Redietz says you can’t measure EV. But here is one of the most famous sports bettors in the world measuring EV. When I see it again I’ll post it again.

[accountinquestion]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

Absolutely everyone knows this stuff by now. I'm not sure what your point is?

Is your memory fading? No, absolutely everyone doesn’t know this stuff by now. Redietz says you can’t measure EV. But here is one of the most famous sports bettors in the world measuring EV. When I see it again I’ll post it again.

Oh wait I guess you're right. Not EVERYONE.

[mcap]

I formally request request Druff move this thread to the sports and sports betting subforum.

[mickeycrimm]

Munchkin is not doing what you’ve done for the past 40 years. He’s multi-accounting. You are dead set against multi-accounting. He’s not handicapping. He uses computer generated numbers that are given to him. His main job is to find accounts. Do you remember Curtis saying he’d like to get in on it. Munch shot back “can you get me accounts?”

Multi accounting sports and multi accounting slot cards are similar. The person that owns the sports account gets a percentage of the earn. The person whose names is on the slot card gets either a flat fee or a percentage. Both plays are highly lucrative. But don’t tell redietz.

Redietz has a problem when it comes to Munch. He once said “do you really think the books are afraid of Dancer and Munchkin?” Then he had lunch with Munch and referred to him as “a real AP” and other illusory names.

So now Munch has exposed himself as a multi accounter. Something redietz has been preaching against forever. Munch has given a ton of credibility to the concept of multi accounting. That’s got to chap the Ditz’ balls.

Dietz in his ignorant bliss runs down AP’s that work multiple forms of gambling. No one is smart enough to do that and are bound to fail he ignorantly states. I’ve tried to tell him that concepts that work in one form of gambling can work in others.

Case in point. Multi accounting sports and multi carding are two variations of an old play/concept known as The Big Player. Behind both multi accounting and multi carding is a big player.

Al Francesca developed the big player concept 50 years ago. Ken Uston utilized it and even wrote a book about using it to fleece the casinos out of millions. Uston posted card counters on multiple tables betting minimum. When a count was right the agent would signal the count to Uston who would then step in betting table max. Hence, the Big Player.

Some may remember the local casinos with the “Cash your paycheck here receive 125 coin bonus on next 4 of a kind.” At $5 denom it was 105.5% on 9/6 Jacks, a $580 earn. So a well bankrolled player (big player) used working stiffs by offering them a cut of the money. I remember Danny L. opening a business checking account in Bullhead City to write paychecks for the Laughlin casinos.

So here we have an advantage play concept thats been applied to 4 different forms of gambling.

What was described in the post I responded to was not multi-accounting. Multi-accounting was not mentioned. If you want me to respond to "multi-accounting" as far as sports books go, I'll be glad to do so. Obviously, Mr. Walters was "multi-accounting" for decades. I never said anything negative about what he did.

What I find idiotic is "multi-accounting" as a way to get sign-up bonuses, which is what I have discussed here on this forum. That is the only real way I have attacked "multi-accounting." Don't believe me? Find a quote where I said anything about "multi-accounting" as a bad thing to circumvent player labeling or limits. "Multi-accounting" is a bad and incredibly selfish tactic to acquire sign-up bonuses. As a way to circumvent limits, well, good luck with that. Most winning sports bettors, and this is especially true of long-term name experts, have betting profiles that are really tough to disguise.

What you don't seem to realize is how transparent most "multi-accounting" efforts are to most sports books. Once you cross into "multi-accounting" territory, they can scoop up your account(s), and there's a good chance your money is out the window. To do this stuff simply for sign-up bonuses (oh, lookie here, I got 20 people to sign up and kept 80% of their bonuses, ain't I an AP genius) is asinine.

Redietz, have you made your concerns about multi accounting known to Munchkin? Don’t you think you should warn him?

[mickeycrimm]

And you are to be commended for having a credit rating lower than mine. Must be tough to fake your way through a capitalist life. But I give you all the credit (see what I did there?) in the world for trying.

Dave Ramsey's credit score is zero. He admits it in this video. Ditz, do you think you are worth more than Ramsey?

[DGenBen]

Often misquoted as we don’t need no stinkin badges, but the original is actually a little different.

EV? We aint got no EV, We don’t need no EV!

I DON’T HAVE TO SHOW YOU ANY STINKIN EV!!!!!!!!!

[monet]

We making money in the Smart Money Thread.
Don't Bother Me!

[accountinquestion]

I formally request request Druff move this thread to the sports and sports betting subforum.

Are you more nerd or more ocd?

[redietz]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

EV for sports betting should be used past tense. For the record, I did discuss this with a certain relatively famous podcaster.

Meanwhile, for all of "Fezzik's" SuperContest success, mickey, do you really know anything about him? Do you know why he suddenly retired in a famously public fashion? Do you know why he said, at the time, that he would restrict himself to props and arbitrage? Do you know who he replaced for what cartel? And what happened?

Because if you don't know the answers to these questions you are woefully underinformed and should probably not be tossing Fezzik's name out there as a talking point.

Feel free to ring him up and discuss these things with him.

And this is why bothering to respond to your stuff vis-a-vis sports is silly. You don't know enough.

[jdaewoo]

Oh look, it's the retard that doesn't think EV is important in sports betting.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=redietz;185216]

Oops, Fezzik is measuring EV again.

EV for sports betting should be used past tense. For the record, I did discuss this with a certain relatively famous podcaster.

Meanwhile, for all of "Fezzik's" SuperContest success, mickey, do you really know anything about him? Do you know why he suddenly retired in a famously public fashion? Do you know why he said, at the time, that he would restrict himself to props and arbitrage? Do you know who he replaced for what cartel? And what happened?

Because if you don't know the answers to these questions you are woefully underinformed and should probably not be tossing Fezzik's name out there as a talking point.

Feel free to ring him up and discuss these things with him.

And this is why bothering to respond to your stuff vis-a-vis sports is silly. You don't know enough.[/QUOTE

Fezzik was using EV in future tense.

You’re the one that bragged up Fezzik. So now I use him as an example you go into tearing him down. That’s simpleton shit.

For the record there are myriad professional sports betters making EV calculations. Many of them are featured in this thread.

Your opinion on EV is a minority opinion.

PS munchkins numbers are computer generated. That means finite numbers. And that means EV calcs.

[The Boz]

More importantly, did ANYONE make more money sports betting with offshore books since the start of the season than they could have by not betting and keeping the money in Bitcoin? Hit $80,000 today and was $53,000 on NFL opening weekend. Or about a 51% gain by letting it sit.

[redietz]

More importantly, did ANYONE make more money sports betting with offshore books since the start of the season than they could have by not betting and keeping the money in Bitcoin? Hit $80,000 today and was $53,000 on NFL opening weekend. Or about a 51% gain by letting it sit.

The guy sitting with me in the "Retro Road Trip" thread, the former Boeing VP, made a fortune. He's big on Bitcoin and wrote his own automated programs that are faster than the norm. He's got the whole set-up on the lower floor of his house in Chicago like a mini-exchange. I don't even want to know how much he made. It's gotta be sick.

Boz, if he visits LV in the near future, I'll let you know the dates. Dinner(s) at Vic and Anthony's will be on him.

[AxelWolf]

More importantly, did ANYONE make more money sports betting with offshore books since the start of the season than they could have by not betting and keeping the money in Bitcoin? Hit $80,000 today and was $53,000 on NFL opening weekend. Or about a 51% gain by letting it sit.

The guy sitting with me in the "Retro Road Trip" thread, the former Boeing VP, made a fortune. He's big on Bitcoin and wrote his own automated programs that are faster than the norm. He's got the whole set-up on the lower floor of his house in Chicago like a mini-exchange. I don't even want to know how much he made. It's gotta be sick.

Boz, if he visits LV in the near future, I'll let you know the dates. Dinner(s) at Vic and Anthony's will be on him.

Is he one of your sports investors?

[AxelWolf]

More importantly, did ANYONE make more money sports betting with offshore books since the start of the season than they could have by not betting and keeping the money in Bitcoin? Hit $80,000 today and was $53,000 on NFL opening weekend. Or about a 51% gain by letting it sit.

Bro, go back and read the BTC thread on WOV with MDawg. He claims to have been getting BTC since 2011 many at a time with an ongoing stream coming in... AND he has been investing it with 5% to 10% interest.

Think about that... average BTC price in 2011, average attorney fees, etc with an an ongoing stream throughout the years. Ill let someome like TablePlay calculate it, but he should have an absolute min of 239 BTC x 80k with interest. We're talking over 20 million.

[MisterV]

Hey redietz: I assume you are related to the family who once owned the lantern mfg. co., based in Tennessee, named R. E. Dietz company?

Went out of business about 40 years ago IIRC.

[redietz]

No, but it is a fine lantern company. Both my grandfathers (Pennsylvania) did some work in the anthracite mines in Molly Maguire country, and there were Dietz lanterns in their basements.

Most googles of me turn up the lantern company or a bio researcher. That is actually a famous lantern company. Very high-quality product. When you are underground, dependability counts.