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[MDawg]

Kewlj you do have a good imagination and a script that you stick to.

FraudJ had a highly refined blackjack story that he worked for almost 2 decades before he outed himself as the tunnel dwelling male prostitute fraud that he is.

you are a very good fictional storyteller lol KJ is a fictional Author masquerading on gambling boards as a sophisticated multi table blackjack savant. :

You don’t make a living playing blackjack tho. That the problem I have with you. Instead of just coming clean and saying you have sugar daddies some that like you others you have extorted you keep up the charade.

Your blackjack story is well rehearsed.

[jdaewoo]

Don't you have some imaginary baccarat sessions to play?

[Keystone]

Don't you have some imaginary baccarat sessions to play?

lol

[Rob.Singer]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with--and a whole lot right with--mdawg's persistence in the re-posting of various quotes from various members regarding what they've deduced after reading the various, poorly planned stories and collection of foolish lies as posted by the most notorious and disliked concoctionist on internet gaming forums.

Saying degrading things about mdawg in response to his very entertaining and effective kew-pounding only depicts envy of what may or may not be true about mdawg's reported gambling experiences, level of wealth, family etc.

[AxelWolf]

there is no simple answer.

There was no need to offer explanations of why a team is beneficial under circumstances not included in my questions. But that's what you did, and in the process you ducked the questions.

I've added yes or no questions, rephrasing to simplify the earlier questions that you didn't seem to understand, or didn't want to give a straight-forward answer to.

I'm now sure that you understand the questions, and the answers are simple...yes or no.

I'll try again...

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and pay you, even if they lost money on the play you gave them?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if their individual play did not profit?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?:
Not that I can think of. That is not normally somthing I do. Can I say, never have I ever done that? No, I can't say that. We are talking about thousands of plays over decades dealing with a fuck ton of different people and many unique situations. There could have been some slam dunk plays where "using their own money" is moot since it's a negligible formality as it would be nearly impossible to lose.

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and pay you, even if they lost money on the play you gave them?:
Not that I ever remember.

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?:
Yes, absolutely, many times.

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if their individual play did not profit?:
Yes.



I normally put up my share or all the money on plays. You may be in a situation where "put up my share" doesn't mean physically handing them the money before they start the play, however, you are responsible for any losses that may occur. There are just so many unique situations and different people who are in different situations themselves.

But again, if you're trying to compare any of this to Red's situation, it's a moot point because it's apples and oranges.

[jdaewoo]

You'd have to be a huge retard to be envious of imaginary baccarat sessions.

[kewlJ]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with--and a whole lot right with--mdawg's persistence in the re-posting of various quotes from various members regarding what they've deduced after reading the various, poorly planned stories and collection of foolish lies as posted by the most notorious and disliked concoctionist on internet gaming forums.

Saying degrading things about mdawg in response to his very entertaining and effective kew-pounding only depicts envy of what may or may not be true about mdawg's reported gambling experiences, level of wealth, family etc.

First I don't condone the hijacking of EVERY thread by Madwg to continue with his obsessive trolling. He has adequate threads, most started by him to troll me. There is no need to hijack this thread started by mickey, attempting to get to the bottom of Redietz's history and claims.

But since he has and Singer is piling on with his bullshit, Jdaewoo beat me to the punch and that is no one is, nor is it even possible to be envious of made up fantasy claims, whether it be Mdawgs win-every-day at baccarat/blackjack or Singers Newell and 1.5 million dollar jackpots . THESE are made up claims. It would be like being jealous of Scrooge McDuck or Billionaire Monty Burns on the Simpsons.

The only people REALLY jealous or envious of anyone are these two guys, Mdawg and Singer, making up such ridiculous stories and claims. They are obviously very envious of real players (just about every AP on this forum) that really win using advantage play methods and techniques. Otherwise there would be no need to make up what are so obvious and ridiculous claims that they do.

[coach belly]

I normally put up my share or all the money on plays. You may be in a situation where "put up my share" doesn't mean physically handing them the money before they start the play, however, you are responsible for any losses that may occur.

If you don't hand them the money to play, then where does the money to play come from?

[coach belly]

But again, if you're trying to compare any of this to Red's situation, it's a moot point because it's apples and oranges.

I disagree.

Just because it's not exactly what red is doing, doesn't mean that the arrangements are not comparable.

Take mickey's post below....

Exoter was taking total greenhorns and signing them to a contract that he would teach them the plays then they had to go out on their own, play slots on their own money, and pay him half the win.

This corresponds to my question about you turning someone onto a play, where they use their own money for the play, and then cut you in on the profits.

You may not do that, and may not have ever done something like that, but isn't that what Integrity Sports does?

red finds a play, turns the client onto the play, the client bets their own money, and pays red a percentage of the profit.

JFTR, you have never sold a play, some play that you can't physically participate in?

[AxelWolf]

I normally put up my share or all the money on plays. You may be in a situation where "put up my share" doesn't mean physically handing them the money before they start the play, however, you are responsible for any losses that may occur.

If you don't hand them the money to play, then where does the money to play come from?

Not everyone is broke. Some people have their own money to get started. If they lose they will bill me and I'll pay them whenever we meet up or after the play. Here's the thing, it's rare that I bring someone in on a play that isn't a slam dunk for the most part. The biggest risk I'm normal taking is getting fucked by the casino's and no paid on a promotion.

There's no hard fast rules as I said each play and individual is different.

[AxelWolf]

But again, if you're trying to compare any of this to Red's situation, it's a moot point because it's apples and oranges.

I disagree.

Just because it's not exactly what red is doing, doesn't mean that the arrangements are not comparable.

Take mickey's post below....

Exoter was taking total greenhorns and signing them to a contract that he would teach them the plays then they had to go out on their own, play slots on their own money, and pay him half the win.

This corresponds to my question about you turning someone onto a play, where they use their own money for the play, and then cut you in on the profits.

You may not do that, and may not have ever done something like that, but isn't that what Integrity Sports does?

red finds a play, turns the client onto the play, the client bets their own money, and pays red a percentage of the profit.

JFTR, you have never sold a play, some play that you can't physically participate in?

Please read what Mickey wrote earlier.

I don't think Red is selling/giving out his picks. I think people give him money and he does the work for a percentage of the profit.

[coach belly]

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?:

Yes, absolutely, many times.

This is also comparable to what red does.

A client, let's call him Axel, gives red money to use on a play, and then cuts red in on the profits.

Don't you agree that the arrangements are very similar?

[coach belly]

I think people give him money and he does the work for a percentage of the profit.

What work is he doing?

What service or product is he selling?

[coach belly]

Some people have their own money to get started.

Isn't that what I asked here?...what was your answer?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

You explain what happens if they lose, but what if they win?

Haven't they used their own money, on a play that you gave them, and cut you in on the profits?

[AxelWolf]

I think people give him money and he does the work for a percentage of the profit.

What work is he doing?

What service or product is he selling?

Why do you ask him yourself. I can only go by what he has said in the past and whatever his websites indicated. I already said this is a moot conversation until we know how his business model works.

And to answer your other question.

I don't recall if I have ever sold any plays, it's possible I have, but if I have it's been a very rare occasion and unique situation. I have bought and paid for plays and information on numerous occasions.

[kewlJ]

How and why is it that coach belly is now speaking for Redietz, seemingly knowing how he operates or operated? And where did he get this information from? Is Redietz feeding him these talking points? because most contradict what Redietz has claimed through most of this forum history.

For example, I damn well know Redietz denied any kind of recruiting of clients until mickeycrimm dug up an old Integrity sports website or webpage with the advertising pitch, including expected returns on it.

Now all of the sudden coach belly seems to know all about how Redietz's operation worked. Unless Belly was one of those clients, I would like to know where he is getting his information, because frankly he has a history of making things up in his defense of those he tries to defend, which is almost always those on the outside of reality.

[AxelWolf]

Some people have their own money to get started.

Isn't that what I asked here?...what was your answer?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

You explain what happens if they lose, but what if they win?

Haven't they used their own money, on a play that you gave them, and cut you in on the profits?

If they win I pay them. If want to claim it's their money even though I'm 100% responsible for giving it back to them call it whatever you want. It's not that often that happens anyways. They consider it my money once it goes into the play.

[AxelWolf]

Some people have their own money to get started.

Isn't that what I asked here?...what was your answer?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

You explain what happens if they lose, but what if they win?

Haven't they used their own money, on a play that you gave them, and cut you in on the profits?

And no, it's not the same.

I assume you were talking about a situation where I start calling people about plays and I expect them to use their own money, take all the risk and pay me money only if they make money, and I pay them nothing if they lose.

That's exactly how those touts and people who take on investors for sports betting work. If the chumps win the guru gets his cut, if the chumps lose, too bad so sad. Repeat this each year.

[kewlJ]

And no, it's not the same.

I assume you were talking about a situation where I start calling people about plays and I expect them to use their own money, take all the risk and pay me money only if they make money, and I pay them nothing if they lose.

That's exactly how those touts and people who take on investors for sports betting work. If the chumps win the guru gets his cut, if the chumps lose, too bad so sad. Repeat this each year.

Why would anybody agree to this arrangement? I guess maybe once, until they fully understand what is happening. But no one is going to stick with that arrangement are they?

And if not, then like most types of scams, the sports betting recruiters needs to find new "suckers" every year or cycle?

If this is indeed what Redietz was doing for 45 years, color me less than impressed with his sports betting career.

[coach belly]

I assume you were talking about a situation where I start calling people about plays and I expect them to use their own money,

My question was straight-forward and clear, I never asked about calling people, and what was expected. Although if you didn't stake them, then you must have expected them to use money that didn't come from you...right?

But you made an assumption in order to duck the question.

Again..

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

First you answered "no" or "I don't recall".

Then, you gave an example where you did give others a play, they did use their own money, and you took a cut of the profits.

Don't waste time telling me what they consider, or which pockets their money goes into or out of.

They used their money on the play, and you took a cut of their win.