VINDICATION for KJ

[MDawg]

Anyway, bottom line is that we wouldn't have this forum if not for Alan starting it in 2010. This place serves a purpose. Among other things, you always have a voice here when the "less tolerant" gambling forums ban you for flimsy (or even not-so-flimsy) reasons. You can show up here and post absurd shit, and I generally tolerate it. You can partially thank Alan for that. While I also lean toward the free speech model, it was easy to do here, as I wanted to continue running the forum with a similar feel and tone to the Alan Bestbuys Forum as which it started.

Perhaps but I doubt Alan wanted the n word here rampantly, and you do a disservice to both yourself and this forum when you allow such things to continue. I understand you just turn a blind eye the way I ignore some posters here but you should ban the worst offenders.

Eventually when someone is ignored for long enough he gets the hint, but your method of ignoring problems isn't quite the same thing.

I do quote the Great Garnabby in his various forms because he has something to say. I quote others who have something to say too.

I do respond (sometimes) to A.Wolf because he is at least a has-been. A has-been is better than a never-been.

As a never-been, UNKewlJ gets mere automated AI responses.

Those who are ignored are unworthy of response have nothing of note to say.

[AxelWolf]

As I already noted, gambling forums are made of as we will. And, so, doing what's perceived as impossible isn't a matter of untruthfulness. It's only when something is possible, that it may be lied about. As with KJ falsely claiming a broken bone, then lawsuit, and, so on.

No one called Alan, a liar, but, that he was either delusional, or, trolling, on the end.

In other words, if I say that the sky is green, then either way, it's not about me lying about it. Perhaps, I'm wearing green contact lenses.

I repeatedly called Alan out on his BS story where he claimed his son hit 5 single line Royals in one day. He was stubborn on that claim for years. He said he had proof, etc, etc, and was willing to bet on it. I was willing to, but I was very concerned about fake documentation. W2G's wasn't going to be enough for me.

His son told us the real story, and of course, it was not true, not even close IMO.

I remember that battle between you and Alan. So what is the real story? Was it told to you in confidence?

It was out in the open on this forum somewhere.

[MisterV]

I understand you just turn a blind eye the way I ignore some posters here but you should ban the worst offenders. Eventually when someone is ignored for long enough he gets the hint, but your method of ignoring problems isn't quite the same thing.

You're one to talk, hound.

You admit ignoring other posters when they address you.

As if you are imperious...what a clown show.

But let's see if you can "man up" for a change: do you accept Boz's challenge, or will you continue to dodge him and focus instead on AI generated nonsense?

tick tick tick

[MDawg]

100 percent you sell ass and mouth for cash. You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

I have eye witnesses willing to go on the record and under oath if need be. That’s the difference between you and I. Loyalty from the ones you brought up. Rat fakes like you wouldn’t understand

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard out winning 80% of his tie bets?

[The Boz]

100 percent you sell ass and mouth for cash. You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

I have eye witnesses willing to go on the record and under oath if need be. That’s the difference between you and I. Loyalty from the ones you brought up. Rat fakes like you wouldn’t understand

Using a dead guy who had zero credibility to boost your case. Yea, that’s about right!

The Dog has been neutered and has nothing left. Maybe he can get his creepy “friend” to come over here and praise him. I hear he’s available fairly cheap.

KJ OWNS MDawg, much like the casinos in Vegas do, as does jdaewoo.

But like the sucker he is, he keeps coming back to be abused again and again.

He’s becoming the new Tasha here.

[coach belly]

His son told us the real story

I remember that battle between you and Alan. So what is the real story? Was it told to you in confidence?

It was out in the open on this forum somewhere.

That's right...and tewlj participated in the thread...

This is how I remember the weekend.

tewlj remembers the battle between you and Alan, but doesn't remember reading the son's recollection, and then commenting about it in the same thread.

I did enjoy reading about it.

redietz is right, there must be multiple tewlj(s)

[Kim Lee]

Mike Lee was in it (pristine rep).

I retired from The Wise Guys two years ago, not in the dim, fog-shrouded past.

Mike Lee was releasing picks to customers after he died (no joke). I don't recall any evidence that he won. You get a "pristine reputation" in Vegas by being a friendly old fart who steers suckers to the sports books. Billy Walters, Fezzik, and other winners did not have "pristine reputations". Instead, they had legal problems because they cost the sports books money.

You enter lots of contests and occasionally win one. The Wise Guys contest was promoted by tout Marc Lawrence. It ended two years ago, but you did not win it for decades in the dim, fog-shrouded past.

Besides, everybody knows that contests are a bad measure of handicapping skill. The Las Vegas Hilton ran the most prestigious handicapping contest, and Fezzik won it twice in a row. He sold a lot of picks in the second season, but they lost money for subscribers at closing lines! Contests impose rules and use non-market lines. Contestants are forced to pick the same number of picks every week. The goal is not to win money, the goal is to win the contest. For example, suppose the leader is .5 games ahead of second-place, with only one NFL game to go. The sharp line is -3.5, but the contest gives you -2.5 for a 10% EV. If the leader takes the favorite, then second place should bet the underdog to get a 40% chance of winning the contest, despite it being a terrible cash bet.

Bob, Billy hired a lot of people to move money because they had access to obscure accounts. But he did not hire you as a handicapper.

[MDawg]

Yet another post with the same evidence!

It didn't take long but I found the connection between KimLee's posts and UNKewlJ's that establishes that either they are the same person, or share the exact same lack of education. So far I see no one else on this site that shares the same precise grammatical ignorance.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard out winning 80% of his tie bets?

[coach belly]

If the leader takes the favorite, then second place should bet the underdog

How would the second place know what the leader's pick is, or will be?

[The Boz]

Yet another post with the same evidence!

It didn't take long but I found the connection between KimLee's posts and UNKewlJ's that establishes that either they are the same person, or share the exact same lack of education. So far I see no one else on this site that shares the same precise grammatical ignorance.

Bullshit, KJ has no clue who Mike Lee is.

Should we make the wager $50 so you can cover it?

“Daddy, daddy, these bullies online are calling me out for my fan fiction stories about my gambling.”

I’m finally starting to realize you aren’t as smart as you appeared for years. That’s on me.

KJ OWNS MDawg!

[redietz]

Mike Lee was in it (pristine rep).

I retired from The Wise Guys two years ago, not in the dim, fog-shrouded past.

Mike Lee was releasing picks to customers after he died (no joke). I don't recall any evidence that he won. You get a "pristine reputation" in Vegas by being a friendly old fart who steers suckers to the sports books. Billy Walters, Fezzik, and other winners did not have "pristine reputations". Instead, they had legal problems because they cost the sports books money.

You enter lots of contests and occasionally win one. The Wise Guys contest was promoted by tout Marc Lawrence. It ended two years ago, but you did not win it for decades in the dim, fog-shrouded past.

Besides, everybody knows that contests are a bad measure of handicapping skill. The Las Vegas Hilton ran the most prestigious handicapping contest, and Fezzik won it twice in a row. He sold a lot of picks in the second season, but they lost money for subscribers at closing lines! Contests impose rules and use non-market lines. Contestants are forced to pick the same number of picks every week. The goal is not to win money, the goal is to win the contest. For example, suppose the leader is .5 games ahead of second-place, with only one NFL game to go. The sharp line is -3.5, but the contest gives you -2.5 for a 10% EV. If the leader takes the favorite, then second place should bet the underdog to get a 40% chance of winning the contest, despite it being a terrible cash bet.

Bob, Billy hired a lot of people to move money because they had access to obscure accounts. But he did not hire you as a handicapper.

Wow. I didn't move any money for Mr. Walters. Zero. Not once.

He hired me as a handicapper. LOL You're not even close with half this stuff. Mike Lee was an old-fashioned Southern gentleman. I know people who hung out with him all the time. He had a foible or two (having to do with meditation practices, strangely), but he was an honest, above-board man.

You know, you should probably post under your real name. You are killing the inscrutable, ages-old-wisdom, high-IQ Oriental stereotype. You are completely wrong on most of this stuff. I mean, the idea that Mr. Walters didn't hire me as a handicapper is so dead, completely wrong, and the fact you make a declarative statement to that effect, you're off the rails. Walters routinely had roundtables of people who were expert at specific sports.

I am surprised you are wrong about obvious things, and I guess I should be more surprised that you declare you're right when you're clearly out of the loop. Bizarre.

I had the best or second-best overall ATS record for the years cumulatively I was in the Wise Guys. Very strange for someone to prioritize "winning it" as opposed to an overall ATS record. I won once; finished third twice, I think. Two games a week, cumulatively, for decades, suggests some degree of knowing what you're doing.

As anyone who has read my posts here can confirm, I have never said Fezzik or Billy Walters had "pristine reputations." Not even close; I've kinda said the opposite.

I am getting a strange vibe here. I see where MDawg and coach are coming from with the kewlJ/Kim Lee correlation. For example (pardon the literary analysis), why does someone pull two names I have NOT referenced as straight-shooters (Fezzik and Mr. Walters), and import a line ("pristine reputation") that I specifically assigned to the late Mike Lee, and then attach that phrase "pristine reputation" to Fezzik and Walters. Very dishonest. Odd, really. Obviously wrong and odd.

Fezzik has done some things that are considered beyond-uncool by certain parties. Mr. Walters is a notorious shark, and I don't think he'd be offended by my referring to him that way. I have mentioned both of these things before. So "pristine reputation" would be the last phrase I attach to either of these gentlemen.

Mike Lee, however, was beyond reproach.

Not sure how to deal with the alleged "Kim Lee" going forward. The idea that I was running around, doing things with Mr. Walters' accounts, is silly. I had no access to any of them and never did anything of the sort. So you have a "Kim Lee" presuming things (and God, the writing style is coming up scarily parallel to another poster) that have zero credence.

Well, I owe people an apology. Coach, MDawg, I hate to be a doofus, but there is a possibility I was wrong regarding certain posters. I am, frankly, shocked. Boy, sometimes I am so wrong, it can be frightening. Glad I didn't bet on it. My apologies to you both --not sure you are right, but something weird is afoot. I should defer to formal writing analyses, which MDawg does regularly. It beats my folk wisdom all to hell.

I mean, I find this all fascinating. "Kim Lee," who I thought was legit, is stating thing declaratively that aren't close, and he's using argumentation elements and language design unique to certain other posters. Wild coincidence or wild reality, either way.

[kewlJ]

Bullshit, KJ has no clue who Mike Lee is.

Don't sell me short Boz. I KNOW who Mike Lee is. He is a .U.S senator from that weird state right next door for God sakes.

KJ OWNS MDawg!

This is a fact! Mdog can and will play whatever goofy trolling games he wants to play. He has been doing that long before he came up with this Mdog Persona and handle.

The fact is I started out simply saying the "stories" and claims this Mdog Person made were not and could not be true. And I most certainly have proven that along the way. To the point that no one on any forum even responds to his silly gambling stories and claims. Some respond to his trolling antics, but not his gambling stories/claims. In that regard, MrV is correct. Mdog has in fact been neutered. That wasn't what I set out to do. But it was the result.

[MDawg]

Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

It would be expected that someone who merely reads about blackjack but doesn't play much of it would have such bland descriptions with, as almost always, not a single description of an actual hand played.

[kewlJ]

Now in regards to Kim Lee. Kim Lee is talking about shit long ago from the world of sports betting / sports scamicapping. A time before I was even born. And yet idiots grasping at straw conclude he is a sock puppet of mine or that I am feeding him what to say. I am feeding him what to say or he is actually me, talking about shit from way before my time. What idiots. Seriously!!

Unrelated I will address the title of this thread. I never needed to be vindicated. But I was vindicated long ago. I was vindicated when several known blackjack advantage players showed up at this forum indicating I was a real card counting AP. people like Kim Lee (his first go around) People Like 21xxxxx, who thinks so little of this forum, he has asked me not to say his name/handle. And several others who I also won't mention.

I was vindicated when a 40 year well known guy that runs blackjack team, showed up at WoV, claiming he came to Las Vegas to find me and watch me play, wanting me to be on his team.

More recently I was vindicated, not once but twice when long time AP and member of WoV, stated that he knew me (again, not once but twice). The second time giving details that I had never given and didn't really want known.

So I was long ago "vindicated". But there is no vindication that will appease internet trolls and asshole just trolling. So here we are.

[MDawg]

This latest HunterHill fiasco is just another example of that, switching up his fable to try make sense of past and present inconsistencies. The fiasco’s inconsistencies supported that UNKewl is a lying male prostitute. The only reason H.Hill made up that troll job is because he’s insanely jealous of MDawg, knows MDawg has UNKewlJ pegged and was desperate to try to come up with something that he hopes will alter the truth about FraudJ. H.Hill’s lie had nothing to do with UNKewlJ it just had to do with trying to contradict MDawg.

[pinchingyourballs]

I never needed to be vindicated.

I agree, because you are anonymous and none of the anonymous posters here need to be vindicated for anything. That is what the anonymity is for. People can say shit about your anonymous forum persona, and whether that shit is true or untrue it should have no effect on your life. Being so bothered by all this anonymous banter is Tasha-tier idiotic. Go count your cards.

[kewlJ]

I have eye witnesses willing to go on the record and under oath if need be. That’s the difference between you and I. Loyalty from the ones you brought up. Rat fakes like you wouldn’t understand

Using a dead guy who had zero credibility to boost your case. Yea, that’s about right!

Interesting thing about some of these dead guys.

Alan was very critical of and doubted me, when I am pretty sure he knew better. Alan: Dead.

Moses followed me from forum to forum for 10 years lying and attacking me. Moses: Dead

Seedvalue showed up here for no other reason that to attack me and make up vicious lies. Seed Value: Dead

Ozzy mocked me frequently. I didn't really have a huge problem with Ozzy but maybe the one "upstairs" did. Ozzy: Dead

Mdog and Singer are safe. I am enjoying having totally taken both and their ridiculous gambling claims/stories apart. I want both around for a long time to wallow in their misery.

But Mr. Dietz. You are on thin ice. I haven't forgotten that it was YOU who came up with the whole male prostitute thing that Seedvalue, Mdog have run with. Pissing off someone upstairs watching over me, you may not see the kickoff to football season next fall. Just saying.

[MisterV]

Seedvalue is dead?

What happened, did that piece of shit choke on his python while sucking himself off?

_______________________

"Seedvalue once said "fuck it"

My cock's so long I can suck it;

It fills up my throat

Lesser men they will gloat

Oops I'm choking...ah, fuck it