Update on the KJ AP experience

[kewlJ]

That year also happened during covid, which im sure the face mask helped.

Masks were a big benefit during covid. BUT it was more than just masks. For a while there after re-opening pit folks had a lot of extra added responsibilities. Like wiping down seats after a player left before the next player could sit down and play. I saw places where pit folks actually did this and other places where they needed to co-ordinate with a cleaner person. Either way it was another thing they had to do, besides just watch the games, which was a good thing.

Despite all that 2020 (covid year) was my worst year to date. Despite the 3 month closure, I still racked up decent EV, but just came in way below Ev or expectation. Maybe covid and all the shit somehow threw me off my game....I don't know.

Maybe its possible if you actually put a really big rotation together and stuck to it and had different max bets for each place to not wear out your welcome, maybe.

BINGO!! You kind of answered your own question ZK.

Longevity was and still is my top priority. Everything I did was planned out with longevity in mind. Large rotation, short sessions, staying at certain betting levels. Not showing spread a second time is a big one. I have been pretty good about sharing much of it, as much as I could and probably then some.

And some of the things I did had a cost.

* Card counter basic strategy for example has a cost. Lower EV. But pit (and survelilance) wont see you play the same hand differently at different times, which is one of the card counter "tells".

* Spreading both ways, meaning not starting shoe with minimum bet has a cost in EV. But starting each shoe at minimum bet is a big tell of a card counter.

* Even the large rotation has a cost as there aren't 30+ really good games, so to round out my rotation, I am playing some very mediocre games instead. There is a cost to that vs playing only the best games.

Some of these things the cost is in EV (lower win rate), while others the cost may be higher variance. Different bet spreads at different casinos (whatever I think they can tolerate), increases or invites more variance. Sometimes, not often but sometimes, I play two entirely different bet spreads at the same table during the same session. Think spread 1 $25-$300, spread #2 $75- $$500. THIS really creates higher variance!

These are all things I was and am willing to compromise in the name of longevity. And there is a cost to everything.

The final piece to the puzzle is you HAVE to take a break from casino and individual pit folks when heat occurs. This is another area where large rotation comes into play. Obviously a backoff you want to stay away from the casino for several months and the particular pit guy for longer. And this works! Contrarians will say, pit folks remember faces. Of course they do. It is the particulars of the incident involved that caused heat that will fade.

An example would be a big win. While I do things to minimize a big win that draws attention, like short sessions, sometimes you just have a really good shoe and win big. the kind of win that draws a little attention. I treat it just like a backoff and stay away from that pit person for a while. So 3-4 months later when I see him, sure he will recognize me, but does he remember the bigger win? I play unrated so there is no record for him to review.

If I were to show up the next day after such a win or a week later when still fresh, I can guarantee I would get extra scrutiny (be hawked). 3 months later? Do they still remember a big win that is unrecorded? From my experience no.

It is just a bunch of little, and a few bigger things all geared toward longevity. At every step of the way, just try not to rock the boat. I don't know if it will last forever, but it has worked a good long time.

[MDawg]

granted i dont put in the time you allegedly do

The main thing UNKewlJ puts time into is trying to convince people online that he is other than a male prostitute. Clearly with the time he spends

trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over

he has little or no time left to do much else.

Professional Gamblers / Casino APs who actually make their living from beating casinos don’t spend all their time trying to convince everyone they are legit. It’s the exact opposite. They don’t want anyone to know because it threatens their ability to earn.

The fact you have spent thousands of hours and years of your life trying to convince everyone with a computer you play blackjack for a living proves you don’t do shit.

100 percent you sell ass and mouth for cash. You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

[kewlJ]

Bet spread is big for longevity. If a player sits down and spreads $50-$400 every day, every shoe, it takes less than 1 session to see what he is doing. It takes exactly one cycle through the bet pattern.

Opposition betting and this different techniques and styles fall under this umbrella, makes it very difficult to see what the player is doing.

Multiple bet spreads which I mentioned is one form of opposition betting. using a "bucket" type spread is another, where the wager placed at say +3 can be anywhere from $150-$300. Any evaluation is going to have you betting different amounts at different counts.

The extreme version of opposition betting is that you have a minimum wager and a max wager. And any wager placed in between can fluctuate greatly. Randomly. You might even have your wager at TC +3 less than TC +2. That type of thing. All that matter is that you have max bet out at a certain point.

These kind of things make it really hard for a pit guy to recognize what you are doing. But again, at a cost. A cost in EV a cost in variance. I never look at variance as a real "cost" like some players do. Over time, with enough trials variance, even invited "extra" variance will work itself out. Less EV is a real cost. Every single thing you do that moves away from optimal play has a cost in EV. Each player must decide for himself what is worth it for him and his style and amount of play vs the increase in longevity.

I haven't seen anyone that puts exactly the same value on different things that I do. And that is alright. Everyone needs to decide and figure out what works for them.

[MDawg]

I don't want to hear some heroic noble BS about how nobody's going to run me off BS. I'm not an idiot, that's not what this is about.

If I had to ask myself and wonder why someone would stay and keep taking a pounding while taking into account all the bad things they claim have happened to them....

I would have to guess that it's all BS, therefore nothing bad has ever happened to them, and therefore there's no real reason to leave/ stop.

[kewlJ]

One final thing. Everything I just mentioned and do, will NOT fool a computer evaluation done by surveillance. Even extreme versions of opposition wagering will reveal more money bet at higher counts when a full computer evaluation is done.

All of these techniques are designed to buy time with the pit guy, who orders the full computer evaluation. You want to put off that computer evaluation off for as long as possible. And if one occurs, you would like to exit before it is complete. A partial evaluation is not a thing. It is nothing for a player playing unrated. For a player playing rated, they can piece together several partial evaluations, but a partial evaluation for an unrated player is just a piece of trash. Just another reason why Mdawgs claims of all the winning, while playing rated, just don't fly. One of many reasons. Reason #163.

And this concludes todays BJ longevity lesson. ZK probably knew a lot of what was said. The rest of you, that play blackjack, I hope you took notes. because you won't find some of this info anywhere else. despite what the haters claim.

[MisterV]

Time will tell if the second part of my prediction comes true with me being a successful Businesswoman and you asking me for help and y telling you off .

Girl, you'll never study and learn how to be a successful businesswoman: hard work is for well-grounded white people and not for the shiftless.

Better yet you don't need to crack the books.

No, I recall how you said you were absolutely killing it betting on obscure eastern European sporting events: table tennis, IIRC?

You've got the gift of gambling prophecy so go out and exploit it.

Double down on those bets and the world will be your oyster: don't listen to what KJ says: he means well but he's never walked in your shoes.

You're the Golden Child: time to grab what's yours.

And remember two bits of sage wisdom

"You can't win if you don't bet," and "You want to win big? Bet big."

How true that is.

[MHF]

Time will tell if the second part of my prediction comes true with me being a successful Businesswoman and you asking me for help and y telling you off

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Yes, we have to be even more skeptical of absurd persons such as the eVil. Ha.

Time will tell if the second part of my prediction comes true with me being a successful Businesswoman and you asking me for help and y telling you off .

Girl, you'll never study and learn how to be a successful businesswoman: hard work is for well-grounded white people and not for the shiftless.

Better yet you don't need to crack the books.

No, I recall how you said you were absolutely killing it betting on obscure eastern European sporting events: table tennis, IIRC?

You've got the gift of gambling prophecy so go out and exploit it.

Double down on those bets and the world will be your oyster: don't listen to what KJ says: he means well but he's never walked in your shoes.

You're the Golden Child: time to grab what's yours.

And remember two bits of sage wisdom

"You can't win if you don't bet," and "You want to win big? Bet big."

How true that is.

[MDawg]

Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

It would be expected that someone who merely reads about blackjack but doesn't play much of it would have such bland descriptions with, as almost always, not a single description of an actual hand played.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending to be a high roller?

[MHF]

... despite what the haters claim.

Haters? You're a pathetic blackjack nut on the internet, typing at length to only yourself, and, for the remainder of your life.

[Tasha]

Kewlj, remember when I asked you for help through PRIVATE MESSAGE when my bank account had a mistake overdraft and I asked you to loan me money because my bank account was temporarily closed because of the mistake overdraft and you brought up my PRIVATE MESSAGE to you on the PUBLIC part of VCT?

You completely publicly humiliated me when I was at a VERY low part and REALLY needed your help. I said something like,"Kewlj, you better hope that you never end up struggling at Blackjack and I become a successful Businesswoman and you end up asking ME for help. I will remind you that you publicly humiliated me when I asked you for help through a PRIVATE MESSAGE. I will tell you off and tell you to NEVER ask me for help again. "

You LAUGHED at me and my prediction. Interestingly enough, the first time part of my prediction came true with you ending up struggling with Blackjack just like I predicted! LMAO! Time will tell if the second part of my prediction comes true with me being a successful Businesswoman and you asking me for help and y telling you off .

Tasha, first off, you got your story all half-assed backwards. I am not struggling with blackjack at all. Not in any way. I play less than I used to 4-5 years ago and as a result my EV and winnings are less. This was a choice I made. And I do other things with that extra time, one of which is sports betting. THAT sports betting is what is now declining. And THAT is not unexpected. So whatever weird little Jamacan hex you think you put on me, has had no effect.

Secondly, I love how you take no responsibility for your situations. You say things like "when you were down" or "mistakenly overdrawn". None of that is true. Your financial problems are due to one reason only. You are a degenerate gambler that at times gambles more than she can afford. And then you expect others, and complete strangers at that to bail you out. Well, not THIS complete stranger.

What bothered me about what you did was that you brought up my PRIVATE MESSAGE on the PUBLIC part of VCT. I would have been completely fine with you saying something like,"I'm not comfortable loaning money to people I only know online. You asking me to loan you money is creepy and disturbing. Please don't ask me to loan you money again. " I would have been even fine with you saying something like,"I am going to report this Private Message to Dan and let him know you asked me to loan you money and see if he is comfortable with you asking me for a loan." By the way, you reported the Private Message to Dan AND brought it up PUBLICLY when just basically telling me no because it makes you uncomfortable and reporting it to Dan would have been sufficient.

[theywontpayontuesday]

Hey I just looked this up: 26.5% of households were charged overdraft fees in the last year. Our society is set up to destroy people financially keeping them poor. In my opinion because poor people are the easiest to take advantage. It's always the way of the powerful to pick on those who cannot defend themselves.

[DGenBen]

Time will tell if the second part of my prediction comes true with me being a successful Businesswoman and you asking me for help and y telling you off .

Girl, you'll never study and learn how to be a successful businesswoman: hard work is for well-grounded white people and not for the shiftless.

Better yet you don't need to crack the books.

No, I recall how you said you were absolutely killing it betting on obscure eastern European sporting events: table tennis, IIRC?

You've got the gift of gambling prophecy so go out and exploit it.

Double down on those bets and the world will be your oyster: don't listen to what KJ says: he means well but he's never walked in your shoes.

You're the Golden Child: time to grab what's yours.

And remember two bits of sage wisdom

"You can't win if you don't bet," and "You want to win big? Bet big."

How true that is.

Not entirely true.

Miss Cleo was a successful business woman with a lot of similarities to Tasha.

Black, Female, lived in Florida for a period of time.

Wasn’t asexual but was a lesbian so not a heterosexual.

Wasn’t Jamaican, but did fake a Jamaican accept to help her business, edge - Tasha

[kewlJ]

What bothered me about what you did was that you brought up my PRIVATE MESSAGE on the PUBLIC part of VCT. I would have been completely fine with you saying something like,"I'm not comfortable loaning money to people I only know online. You asking me to loan you money is creepy and disturbing. Please don't ask me to loan you money again. " I would have been even fine with you saying something like,"I am going to report this Private Message to Dan and let him know you asked me to loan you money and see if he is comfortable with you asking me for a loan." By the way, you reported the Private Message to Dan AND brought it up PUBLICLY when just basically telling me no because it makes you uncomfortable and reporting it to Dan would have been sufficient.

I don't believe this Tasha person is attempting to shame me for publicly reporting her little scam of asking members for money? You are barking up the wrong tree, Tasha. My hope was that it would shame YOU into stopping from doing this shit!!

Telling you privately wouldn't do that. Reporting to Dan Druff wouldn't do that. Only reporting your little scam publicly could possibly do that. And it did! Other people who you asked for money saw it and knew the little sob story you told them wasn't true. That is was just a scam by a broke Degen Gambler to get some money to gamble. AND anyone that you might try to beg in the future is now aware of your little scam. THAT is probably why you keep bringing it up. You are probably broke again and would like to beg for money again, but now can't.

Guess what? NOT sorry Tasha. With a chance to do it that way again, I would.

[kewlJ]

Tasha, if your situation was really that you were overdrawn as a one-time situation dude to a mistake (which I don't believe), you may want to switch to Capitol One checking. Their whole campaign is about no overdraft fees. I don't know how it works because I have never been overdrawn. I suspect it is a one time pass or something. But if you are overdrawn every month because you gamble more money than you have, I can't imagine they allow you to overdraw month after month after month. But Maybe? You should look into it.

[MDawg]

I can't imagine you doxxing MDawg well before you even claimed without any proof, that he doxxed you helped; MDawg at least had proof that you tried to doxx him, and this might have made Max wonder if you'd do the same to him should he ever get on your bad side

[mickeycrimm]

Hey I just looked this up: 26.5% of households were charged overdraft fees in the last year. Our society is set up to destroy people financially keeping them poor. In my opinion because poor people are the easiest to take advantage. It's always the way of the powerful to pick on those who cannot defend themselves.

A stat i heard the other day, the top 12% own 88% of stocks, the next 40% own 12% of stocks, the bottom 48 percent own debt (rent, credit cards, car loans, etc.).

[mcap]

And this concludes todays BJ longevity lesson. ZK probably knew a lot of what was said. The rest of you, that play blackjack, I hope you took notes. because you won't find some of this info anywhere else. despite what the haters claim.

If you say so Dr. Richard Reid.

Now go count your cards.

[mcap]

Tasha, if your situation was really that you were overdrawn as a one-time situation dude to a mistake (which I don't believe), you may want to switch to Capitol One checking. Their whole campaign is about no overdraft fees. I don't know how it works because I have never been overdrawn. I suspect it is a one time pass or something. But if you are overdrawn every month because you gamble more money than you have, I can't imagine they allow you to overdraw month after month after month. But Maybe? You should look into it.

I doubt she can even open a real bank account. You know, that annoying chexsystems.

[kewlJ]

And this concludes todays BJ longevity lesson. ZK probably knew a lot of what was said. The rest of you, that play blackjack, I hope you took notes. because you won't find some of this info anywhere else. despite what the haters claim.

If you say so Dr. Richard Reid.

Now go count your cards.

Interesting comparison, but very different application of a second bet spread. Richard Reid, if I remember correctly was purely for bet camouflage purposes. He alternated every round between the 2 different bet spreads. And a second spread would work well for that purpose but at HUGE resulting variance. The easy example would be what if the player did well at at the rounds played at the smaller spread, but lost most of the rounds at the larger spread? Result would be a rather large session loss, on what should have been about a 50/50 session. I am not opposed to inviting more variance, but there has to be a better reason than just general betting camouflage.

My own application of a second bet spread kicks in after showing the full cycle of the first bets spread. ideally, you would want the small wager of the second spread to be somewhat close to the max bet of the first spread, so there isn't much drop off in wager after you have shown your initial Max bet. That drop back to a smaller wager is the biggest "tell" of a card counter, so that is what I am trying to avoid.

The example would be initial spread of say $50-$300. After showing max bet of $300, at the next shuffle you implement the second spread of let's say $200-$800, resulting in very little drop off and avoiding that huge "tell". Anyone watching would conclude that such a player is NOT a card counter at that point. Just a player varying wagers. So, the benefit would be a second full cycle at a table that otherwise you would exit after one cycle. And for EV purposes, you just average the two spreads together.

This application would also have some of the same benefit of Reid's alternating hands spread, which is bet cover or camouflage, but that is not the primary benefit. The primary benefit is twice the play (2 cycles) at one table.