Update on the KJ AP experience

[kewlJ]

Cracks me up that Dawg, Singer and Belly continue to troll and make comments that I can't see. I have seen exactly one of there trollish posts in more than 3 weeks when someone quoted it. So you are wasting your time!

I am done with you 3 trolls. I will no longer feed you trolls. You have lost the privilege to interact with me by your nothing-but-trolling. You are like the mumbling homeless people we all see and deal with everyday. What do we do with them? Ignore them.

And Dietz, when this is all over with you, you will probably land on my ignore list. You have earned that. And there is a lurking sock puppet out there, Jexposed or something like that. Sock puppet of one of these trolls. The sock puppet that pretended to be my boyfriend. Remember him? He has been lurking for 3 days now. THAT account is already on my ignore list as of today even before he does his sock puppet troll thing. So don't even waste your time.

I don't care if it gets down to everyone but a small handful of real and respectful AP that I interact with here and can have real and respectful discussions with, while the rest of you on ignore. As a matter of fact, THAT sounds kind of delightful. Just lock all the fucking trolls up under their bridge.

[MDawg]

Kewl is cracking. You can see it right here in real time.

[redietz]

Cracks me up that Dawg, Singer and Belly continue to troll and make comments that I can't see. I have seen exactly one of there trollish posts in more than 3 weeks when someone quoted it. So you are wasting your time!

I am done with you 3 trolls. I will no longer feed you trolls. You have lost the privilege to interact with me by your nothing-but-trolling. You are like the mumbling homeless people we all see and deal with everyday. What do we do with them? Ignore them.

And Dietz, when this is all over with you, you will probably land on my ignore list. You have earned that. And there is a lurking sock puppet out there, Jexposed or something like that. Sock puppet of one of these trolls. The sock puppet that pretended to be my boyfriend. Remember him? He has been lurking for 3 days now. THAT account is already on my ignore list as of today even before he does his sock puppet troll thing. So don't even waste your time.

I don't care if it gets down to everyone but a small handful of real and respectful AP that I interact with here and can have real and respectful discussions with, while the rest of you on ignore. As a matter of fact, THAT sounds kind of delightful. Just lock all the fucking trolls up under their bridge.

The thing about this kewlJ poster or posters -- he/they gets all flustered when it's clear he has no idea what he's talking about, which is often. I mean, really, he couldn't actually think that sports betting was viewed from a casino's perspective the same as blackjack or video poker. Or maybe that's what he thinks; who knows? But as soon as his ignorance (of which there is aplenty) is exposed, he goes on some tangential rant about trolls. He clearly has no real idea what he's talking about vis-a-vis sports betting. He embarrasses himself with his ignorance. Then he doesn't actually acknowledge his lack of knowledge. He just goes on a "trolls" rant. Rinse, repeat.

What's been exposed is the level of sports betting naivete by people who are or who think they are good at separate specific gambling ventures. So you have machine players waxing eloquent about sports betting. And blackjack players. And general men about town like account. And they don't even understand the basic framework. Why don't they understand the basics? Because the basics have very little to do with random generators, machine play, and closed mathematical systems. They are basically trying to catch an elephant with a minnow net because they are expert at catching minnows.

Engaging with any of this is asinine. You have my email. You have my name. You have my address. All geniuses with questions can send them to PFA.

And by the way, speaking of geniuses, I have to give Shackleford credit. For all his pomp and circumstance, he does not routinely try to apply improper math to sports betting. He appears to more or less get it, which of course he does.

[mcap]

Anyone who reads even a bit of a sheet of text like that, the stuff KJ spews on a daily basis, has to have a screw loose.

Your wife said your boyfriend called. Stop fucking quoting me mfraudshit.

[mickeycrimm]

B&M or online....if there is a record of your play and it shows constant winning, they wont want your action.

How did Billy Walters get action down after winning millions, while on his way to winning 10s of millions?

The book knew that he was constantly winning when they took his 3mil bet on one game...right?

If these guys are actually asking how a winning sports bettor can get down even though he has won, my mission here is pretty much done. The answer to that kind of question is beyond obvious and nobody with any actual experience would ask it. If you are baffled by this question, you should probably step back and realize that you are approaching a non-random, permeable problem as if it were a video poker machine, and you really have no idea what you are doing.

So everyone call into the PFA broadcast and ask this question. Please.

Some of the stuff that has been written here the last few days is mental butchery. Like people can't understand the fundamental, college freshman difference between precision and accuracy. Jesus.

And then we have, "How do you get down if you win?" LOL. Unless you're Billy Walters (and even he does it, as coach pointed out), having a historical winning record means you are often MORE LIKELY to get down. And get down earlier to boot. If the geniuses here can't figure it out, well, I pointed out the lines are in Gambling Wizards by Munchkin. That's a pretty old book, and there are only three or four sports bettors profiled in there, so go do some reading.

God bless you all, and God bless Tiny Tim.

Walters did just what redietz preaches against. He multi-accounted. He had dozens of beards running around placing bets.

[mickeycrimm]

B&M or online....if there is a record of your play and it shows constant winning, they wont want your action.

How did Billy Walters get action down after winning millions, while on his way to winning 10s of millions?

The book knew that he was constantly winning when they took his 3mil bet on one game...right?

Walters didnt make the bets personally. He used beards. And in the case of 3 mil on one game it was split among several books. They would have had to coordinate it to all bet at the same time to avoid the line moving.

[Jexposed]

Cracks me up that Dawg, Singer and Belly continue to troll and make comments that I can't see. I have seen exactly one of there trollish posts in more than 3 weeks when someone quoted it. So you are wasting your time!

I am done with you 3 trolls. I will no longer feed you trolls. You have lost the privilege to interact with me by your nothing-but-trolling. You are like the mumbling homeless people we all see and deal with everyday. What do we do with them? Ignore them.

And Dietz, when this is all over with you, you will probably land on my ignore list. You have earned that. And there is a lurking sock puppet out there, Jexposed or something like that. Sock puppet of one of these trolls. The sock puppet that pretended to be my boyfriend. Remember him? He has been lurking for 3 days now. THAT account is already on my ignore list as of today even before he does his sock puppet troll thing. So don't even waste your time.

I don't care if it gets down to everyone but a small handful of real and respectful AP that I interact with here and can have real and respectful discussions with, while the rest of you on ignore. As a matter of fact, THAT sounds kind of delightful. Just lock all the fucking trolls up under their bridge.

Nice of you to notice me hon. I came back across this place in my history. Keeping an eye on you. Pretty funny that you are giving the sports guy a hard time about inheriting a house from an ex wife when the only reason you have your place is because of your ex. It isn't the swanky place you portray but at least it was a half decent place. The best thing being that it was so close to La Bonita that you love. Tell the people where it is on the East side. Or maybe I will Jayvee. I heard things have not went so well with Raul. I can't say you didn't deserve it baby. I also heard you were sucking ant eaters on Sahara now. Things not going so good are they.

[mickeycrimm]

If these guys are actually asking how a winning sports bettor can get down even though he has won, my mission here is pretty much done.

tewlj is not asking how, he is asserting that they will not be permitted to continue to bet.

To be clear...consistently winning sports bettors are able to continue to bet...correct?

Jacobson wrote about a baccarat player who won 10s of millions of dollars over 3 years.

Jacobson's big player didn't get cut off...on the contrary, the casino continued to roll out the red carpet as he was on his way from winning millions to 10s of millions.

But tewlj claims that's not how Vegas works. Does tewlj really know how Vegas works?

They called in Jacobsen to evaluate the guys play. Jacobsen’s conclusion? The guy had just been outhouse lucky for an extended period of time. So they let the guy keep playing and he eventually dumped.

The question to ask is why has Jacobsen not been called in on mdawg. I think the answer is mdawg is full of shit.

[mickeycrimm]

The thing about this kewlJ poster or posters -- he/they gets all flustered when it's clear he has no idea what he's talking about, which is often. I mean, really, he couldn't actually think that sports betting was viewed from a casino's perspective the same as blackjack or video poker. Or maybe that's what he thinks; who knows? But as soon as his ignorance (of which there is aplenty) is exposed, he goes on some tangential rant about trolls. He clearly has no real idea what he's talking about vis-a-vis sports betting. He embarrasses himself with his ignorance. Then he doesn't actually acknowledge his lack of knowledge. He just goes on a "trolls" rant. Rinse, repeat.

What's been exposed is the level of sports betting naivete by people who are or who think they are good at separate specific gambling ventures. So you have machine players waxing eloquent about sports betting. And blackjack players. And general men about town like account. And they don't even understand the basic framework. Why don't they understand the basics? Because the basics have very little to do with random generators, machine play, and closed mathematical systems. They are basically trying to catch an elephant with a minnow net because they are expert at catching minnows.

Engaging with any of this is asinine. You have my email. You have my name. You have my address. All geniuses with questions can send them to PFA.

And by the way, speaking of geniuses, I have to give Shackleford credit. For all his pomp and circumstance, he does not routinely try to apply improper math to sports betting. He appears to more or less get it, which of course he does.

God, you’re stupid.

[kewlJ]

If these guys are actually asking how a winning sports bettor can get down even though he has won, my mission here is pretty much done.

tewlj is not asking how, he is asserting that they will not be permitted to continue to bet.

To be clear...consistently winning sports bettors are able to continue to bet...correct?

Jacobson wrote about a baccarat player who won 10s of millions of dollars over 3 years.

Jacobson's big player didn't get cut off...on the contrary, the casino continued to roll out the red carpet as he was on his way from winning millions to 10s of millions.

But tewlj claims that's not how Vegas works. Does tewlj really know how Vegas works?

They called in Jacobsen to evaluate the guys play. Jacobsen’s conclusion? The guy had just been outhouse lucky. So they let the guy keep playing and he eventually dumped.

The question to ask is why has Jacobsen not been called in on mdawg. I think the answer is mdawg is full of shit.

Coach Belly is mis-representing the event in which Eliot was called in to evaluate. I know a little bit about it because I discussed it privately with Eliot.

First the play didn't occur in Las Vegas. Didn't even occur in the United States. It occurred in an area that deals with all the real high rollers.

Second while the man's play extended over several years, it was only 3-4 short trips a year over several years. So you are still only talking a handful of days play. very small sample size, so yeah it could have very easily just been positive variance. That is why they were so cautious.

Now compare that, maybe 10 trips of a few days each over several years to what Mdawg has claimed Hundreds of days played (and won) EVERY year for 6 years now or so. THAT is NOT a small sample size and CANNOT just be variance.

So not nearly the same situation, as belly is trying to claim. But nice try.

Furthermore, Dawg claims he has played at an advantage all these hundreds of days over all these years now. Does he now through coach belly want to claim all the winning that he has claimed (some of it walked back) was just a degenerate gambler getting lucky? is that what you are now claiming dog? (through coach belly)

[MDawg]

Nice of you to notice me hon. I came back across this place in my history. Keeping an eye on you. Pretty funny that you are giving the sports guy a hard time about inheriting a house from an ex wife when the only reason you have your place is because of your ex. It isn't the swanky place you portray but at least it was a half decent place. The best thing being that it was so close to La Bonita that you love. Tell the people where it is on the East side. Or maybe I will Jayvee. I heard things have not went so well with Raul. I can't say you didn't deserve it baby. I also heard you were sucking ant eaters on Sahara now. Things not going so good are they.

Ask Dan the Dandruff Man to Confirm what SeedValue already revealed - that UNKewlJ's online posts mostly geolocate to the corner of E Bonanza Rd and N Las Vegas Blvd, which is where some homeless like UNKewlJ hang. Nowhere near where she would like people to think that she dwells.

[Rob.Singer]

To recap again: Regardless of his need to constantly claim over and over again that he has his "trolls" on "ignore" ....KEW READS EVERY WORD BY EVERY POSTER POSTED EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR. His extraordinarily weak constitution along with his extreme necrosis of not being "accepted as he needs to be" or "as relevant as he JUST HAS TO BE" absolutely COMPELS the lying little twit to do so. And it is 100% in his nature to continually torment himself by reading all the truths others hit him with.

Oh....and I LOVE IT!!!

[coach belly]

Walters didnt make the bets personally. He used beards. And in the case of 3 mil on one game it was split among several books.

How was the 3 mil bet split up? Three hundred separate 10 thousand dollar bets?

Did the books permitted the beards to win consistently, and continue to bet?

[coach belly]

They called in Jacobsen to evaluate the guys play. Jacobsen’s conclusion? The guy had just been outhouse lucky for an extended period of time. So they let the guy keep playing and he eventually dumped.

Sounds like the casino relied on the math.

So why wouldn't that scenario apply to any player who won consistently at a -EV game?

If they didn't cut Jacobson's big player off after winning millions, and then 10s of millions, then why would they cut off any lucky consistent winning player?

[MDawg]

I discussed it privately with Eliot.

Eliot confirms that UNKewlJ is a lying sack of shit and the only thing he would ever wish to discuss with him is that UNKewlJ's an inveterate liar.

[coach belly]

the man's play extended over several years, it was only 3-4 short trips a year over several years. So you are still only talking a handful of days play. very small sample size, so yeah it could have very easily just been positive variance. That is why they were so cautious.

Now compare that, maybe 10 trips of a few days each over several years to what Mdawg has claimed Hundreds of days played (and won) EVERY year for 6 years now or so. THAT is NOT a small sample size and CANNOT just be variance.

So not nearly the same situation, as belly is trying to claim. But nice try.

The length or number of trips is irrelevant. The sample size is the number of outcomes, not days stayed, or days played, or sessions played or whatever you are claiming.

As far as you know, the total number of hands that Jacobson's big player experienced during his run was nearly equal to or greater than what MDawg has played.

Do you know how many hands that either Jacobson's player or MDawg have played?

Furthermore, Dawg claims he has played at an advantage all these hundreds of days over all these years now.

I recall that Jacobson posted his big player story to specifically refute your assertion that a casino would not allow a player to win consistently over a long period of time, and would certainly not comp a player who consistently wins big at high limit table games.

We know that the casino relies on the math to win overall at table games, but they don't need for every player to lose for that to happen.

We also know that some players do win, while the casino also wins. Those results are not mutually exclusive.

You either believe that MDawg has played with an advantage (and the casinos haven't figured out what it is) or you don't, and think he has relied entirely on luck...just like Jacobson's player did.

Which is it...which do you believe?

[Half Smoke]

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the story of Phil Ivey and his big baccarat winnings and all of the legal drama that followed -


from the link:


"The battle in the courtrooms stemmed from several epic high-stakes baccarat sessions in 2012. Ivey and his partner, Cheung Yin “Kelly” Sun, beat the Borgata out of $9.6 million. After it was revealed that the duo was using a controversial technique called “edge sorting,” the casino filed suit against Ivey and Sun.

The technique allowed the pair to spot manufacturing defects on the cards and gain an edge over the casino. Ivey and Sun used the same technique in the UK at London’s Crockfords casino and won £7.8 million, but the casino wouldn’t pay out the money. Ivey sued the casino and lost.

Borgata, on the other hand, paid Ivey and Sun and were forced to use the legal system to try and get the money back.

Borgata sued for $15.6 million two years after Ivey’s massive win. The total which included hundreds of thousands of dollars in comps and the $5.4 million the casino’s legal team figured the casino would have beaten Ivey for if he had been playing straight up.

In 2016, the judge decided that Ivey would be forced to pay the casino $10.1 million, after factoring the $500,000 Ivey won playing craps after his baccarat session.

Unfortunately for Borgata, Ivey’s bank accounts in New Jersey were completely empty and Atlantic City’s highest-grossing casino was unable to seize the funds. A letter from Wells Fargo confirmed that Ivey had no money in his bank account. Borgata’s legal team claimed that the money was transferred to a Mexican bank account.

In 2018, Borgata sought approval from the courts to cross state lines and go after Ivey’s assets in Nevada. The court ruled in favor of Borgata in February 2019.

A few months later, at the 2019 WSOP, Ivey cashed four times for a total of $133,398, including an eighth-place finish in the $50,000 Poker Players Championship for $124,410. Borgata seized it at the conclusion of the series

With Borgata seizing Ivey’s winnings, it looked like the days of Ivey playing American poker tournaments were over since he would basically be playing without any chance of being paid. But the conclusion of the saga gives him the option of playing all the major American events. Whenever they resume.



https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...t-with-borgata

[MisterV]

It seems uhfair to punish an AP for smart play, when he did nothing really "wrong."

[theywontpayontuesday]

Next time Im pulled over by the police and they ask me if I know why they pulled me over, I will say, "yes, because you are a homosexual and you want to suck my straight dick and cannot afford 10 million."

[DGenBen]

It seems uhfair to punish an AP for smart play, when he did nothing really "wrong."

That is a really good observation and point especially when you consider how fair life is overall.

Lol that the casino tryed to sue him also for what they would have won had he not been playing with an advantage.