Professional Sportsbetting

[MisterV]

Even Mrv, who thought he was wrong, by losing $70,000, turned out to be right by a dazzling display of self control. Ha.

Come on, V, there is a Santy Claus.

In the interest of full discosure my Canadian cousin, the $70K figure is my LIFETIME loss amount: I've kept detailed records since the last century.

I never thought I was "wrong" for losing that amount: I play negative expectation games and i realized long ago that "You have to pay to play."

Gambling is my main "vice" now, having given up both alcohol and tobacco, two "sins" I would have spent more than $70K on had I not quit cold turkey.

[kewlJ]

One of the things that triggered Red was when I said anyone with an avrage (or even below)intelligence, along with dedication, can make a living via sports betting without years of experience, and they don't even need to know anything about the sports they are betting.
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I didn't say handicrapping, I said sports betting.

There is this strange pissing, dick measuring mentality on this and other forums, that what other players do, make, claim, somehow effects or diminishes what you have accomplished. I don't subscribe to that in any way, as 90% of advantage players that dedicate themselves to full-time advantage play, do better than I do financially. I still do pretty elementary stuff and mid level stakes where I can achieve some longevity.

BUT Redietz, like many here DO subscribe to that mentality, and that is why Dietz has gotten so bent out of shape about some advantage players doing some things to make money in the world of sports betting. Whatever he has accomplished, including I guess being a successful tout (business) for many years is in no way diminished because some APs are finding some opportunities in sports betting.

I guess it all boils down to insecurity about what you do and have done. Come to think of it, so much shit on these forums comes down to people's insecurities.

[MDawg]

a lot of what you write could be total fiction. You're definitely someone who isn't adverse to lying on forums if it suits you to do so.

[kewlJ]

Come to think of it, so much shit on these forums comes down to people's insecurities.

And this Mdawg fella and his obsessive responses, usually having nothing to do with what is being discussed (hijacking) are the perfect example.

[coach belly]

this strange pissing, dick measuring mentality on this and other forums, that what other players do, make, claim, somehow effects or diminishes what you have accomplished. I don't subscribe to that in any way.

LOL...yeah right.

Isn't your main grievance around here the gambling claims of others (MDawg & Singer)?

Aren't you all bent out of shape because you think that their claims somehow diminishes what you have accomplished?

You've made dozens of posts to that effect over the years...it's one of your 10x multipliers.

Doesn't that all boil down to your insecurity?

[kewlJ]

Isn't your main grievance around here the gambling claims of others (MDawg & Singer)?

Aren't you all bent out of shape because you think that their claims somehow diminishes what you have accomplished?

You've made dozens of posts to that effect over the years...it's one of your 10x multipliers.

Doesn't that all boil down to your insecurity?

Absolutely NOT! IF Mdawg, Singer, or any other person that comes along telling bullshit stories, had actually won what they claimed, I would be happy for them, same as I am for EVERY legitimate advantage player that wins more than I do.

What I object to with these people is that their claims are not true, CANNOT be true, because they defy the Math, the way the industry works and reality.

And as a real advantage player that works hard at what I do, finding things to play at an advantage and everything that goes along with that, like figuring ways to be allowed to keep playing, I am offended by these bullshit stories.

If you want to be a recreational gambler, playing -EV games and losing longterm, then own it like MrV does. There is nothing wrong with that. People spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on various hobbies.

And if you are a long-time losing player and don't want to be, but want to win (longterm), then do that. Learn to play some things at an advantage. It isn't hard.

BUT don't piss on our legs and tell us it is raining.

[redietz]

One of the things that triggered Red was when I said anyone with an avrage (or even below)intelligence, along with dedication, can make a living via sports betting without years of experience, and they don't even need to know anything about the sports they are betting.
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I didn't say handicrapping, I said sports betting.

There is this strange pissing, dick measuring mentality on this and other forums, that what other players do, make, claim, somehow effects or diminishes what you have accomplished. I don't subscribe to that in any way, as 90% of advantage players that dedicate themselves to full-time advantage play, do better than I do financially. I still do pretty elementary stuff and mid level stakes where I can achieve some longevity.

BUT Redietz, like many here DO subscribe to that mentality, and that is why Dietz has gotten so bent out of shape about some advantage players doing some things to make money in the world of sports betting. Whatever he has accomplished, including I guess being a successful tout (business) for many years is in no way diminished because some APs are finding some opportunities in sports betting.

I guess it all boils down to insecurity about what you do and have done. Come to think of it, so much shit on these forums comes down to people's insecurities.

LOL. Nothing alleged "APs" do diminishes me. It can (and does) affect me when you have unskilled maroons launching multiple accounts at sites strictly to bonus whore under multiple names, which by the way is an egregious terms-of-service breach these days and can result in all your money being absconded.

Anonymous allegeds with no verifiable track records ATS and no transparent history of winning or losing are largely irrelevant to me except for the fact they sponge up bonuses, thereby resulting in reduced or restricted bonusing for normal folks. Or inflated juice. So yeah, the classic "AP" sports vulturing, hurts everyone, including me and mine.

And did I mention almost all of what kewlJ describes vis-a-vis bonus exploitation has been tagged with legal language rendering it high risk? In other words, at risk of seizure. As I'm sure kewlJ can verify, Munchkin has been reporting for about a year on sports books, even "legal" ones, holding people's funds due to alleged abuse of terms of service.

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

Dweebs don't bother me...except for (1) they affect my bonuses and juice, which they do and (2) when they tell tall tales of winning in perpetuity, when what they rely on are others' accounts, and (3) when they are so fucking stupid that they go around advertising some ATS angle as if they've discovered something brilliant, when literally 500,000 people know about it and the odds are now AGAINST you because adjustments have been made.

As for Axelwolf, he loves the whole "I can make more money than you" bullshit. Yes he can, especially if he rents his derriere out to visiting Saudi luminaries. What Axelwolf has been doing has obviously been done by people with more money than him on a larger scale for 30-some years, or before Windows existed as an operating system.

I would not want to be Axelwolf for an hour, much less a day.

[kewlJ]

LOL. Nothing alleged "APs" do diminishes me. It can (and does) affect me when you have unskilled maroons launching multiple accounts at sites strictly to bonus whore under multiple names, which by the way is an egregious terms-of-service breach these days and can result in all your money being absconded.

Who are you referring to using multiple accounts and name and setting up accounts in names of friends and family? I hope not me, because I have not yet that. I say "yet" because i might someday. It is part of the play. If sportsbooks can confiscate our money, then we can use multiple accounts.

And did I mention almost all of what kewlJ describes vis-a-vis bonus exploitation has been tagged with legal language rendering it high risk? In other words, at risk of seizure. As I'm sure kewlJ can verify, Munchkin has been reporting for about a year on sports books, even "legal" ones, holding people's funds due to alleged abuse of terms of service.

This is correct. That risk of seizure or bonuses taken back after the fact IS part of the cost of this play. I don't like it, but that is the way it works, just the same as backoffs and 86ings are part of blackjack advantage play.

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

This nonsense with 3rd party tracking is NOT how anonymous forums work. What has been proven by anyone on this forum? People share experiences and you are free to believe them or not. As near as I can tell, 3rd party tracking is only a tool of sports betting "touts" who use that 3rd party tracking which can and is manipulated (you can pay for a better record) to rope in new suckers to sell to.

Well most of us here aren't selling anything Dietz.

[coach belly]

I am offended by these bullshit stories.

So your grievance is with their claims.

your main grievance around here the gambling claims of others (MDawg & Singer)

You feel that their claims diminish your accomplishments, but that's only in your eyes.

There is no relationship between their claims and your accomplishments...none.

It's all in your screwed-up head, a manifestation of your insecurity.

[kewlJ]

I am offended by these bullshit stories.

So your grievance is with their claims.

your main grievance around here the gambling claims of others (MDawg & Singer)

You feel that their claims diminish what you do, but that's only in your eyes.

It doesn't diminish what I have I do and have accomplished. It is just insulting as an advantage player.

[mickeycrimm]

One of the things that triggered Red was when I said anyone with an avrage (or even below)intelligence, along with dedication, can make a living via sports betting without years of experience, and they don't even need to know anything about the sports they are betting.
.
I didn't say handicrapping, I said sports betting.

There is this strange pissing, dick measuring mentality on this and other forums, that what other players do, make, claim, somehow effects or diminishes what you have accomplished. I don't subscribe to that in any way, as 90% of advantage players that dedicate themselves to full-time advantage play, do better than I do financially. I still do pretty elementary stuff and mid level stakes where I can achieve some longevity.

BUT Redietz, like many here DO subscribe to that mentality, and that is why Dietz has gotten so bent out of shape about some advantage players doing some things to make money in the world of sports betting. Whatever he has accomplished, including I guess being a successful tout (business) for many years is in no way diminished because some APs are finding some opportunities in sports betting.

I guess it all boils down to insecurity about what you do and have done. Come to think of it, so much shit on these forums comes down to people's insecurities.

LOL. Nothing alleged "APs" do diminishes me. It can (and does) affect me when you have unskilled maroons launching multiple accounts at sites strictly to bonus whore under multiple names, which by the way is an egregious terms-of-service breach these days and can result in all your money being absconded.

Anonymous allegeds with no verifiable track records ATS and no transparent history of winning or losing are largely irrelevant to me except for the fact they sponge up bonuses, thereby resulting in reduced or restricted bonusing for normal folks. Or inflated juice. So yeah, the classic "AP" sports vulturing, hurts everyone, including me and mine.

And did I mention almost all of what kewlJ describes vis-a-vis bonus exploitation has been tagged with legal language rendering it high risk? In other words, at risk of seizure. As I'm sure kewlJ can verify, Munchkin has been reporting for about a year on sports books, even "legal" ones, holding people's funds due to alleged abuse of terms of service.

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

Dweebs don't bother me...except for (1) they affect my bonuses and juice, which they do and (2) when they tell tall tales of winning in perpetuity, when what they rely on are others' accounts, and (3) when they are so fucking stupid that they go around advertising some ATS angle as if they've discovered something brilliant, when literally 500,000 people know about it and the odds are now AGAINST you because adjustments have been made.

As for Axelwolf, he loves the whole "I can make more money than you" bullshit. Yes he can, especially if he rents his derriere out to visiting Saudi luminaries. What Axelwolf has been doing has obviously been done by people with more money than him on a larger scale for 30-some years, or before Windows existed as an operating system.

I would not want to be Axelwolf for an hour, much less a day.

1. Bonus whores don't give a fuck that to stupid to do it himself redietz don't like what they are doing.

2. Who gives a fuck about a verifiable track record in contests? It's about one thing, money. Show me the money, fuck the public track record bullshit.

3. So they are going to confiscate "all of your money?" What dumbass would send "all of their money" to one site? How much of a percentage of bankroll does redietz think multi-accounters send to one site? Idiot.

4. Redietz income is not verifiable so must be a fairy tale.

5. In the same paragraph redietz says the AP's are telling tall tales about winning but also complains about them affecting "his juice." If they were losing they wouldn't be affecting his juice.

6. Axelwolf makes more money than redietz. Axelwolf is worth more money than redietz. It's pretty clear redietz doesn't have the capability to make much money. He's too afraid of his own shadow to do it.

7. On a recent VSIN episode Munchkin said he came out of retirement to multi account. He's fed the numbers from a computer model. His job is to get the action down. Munchkin would not have come out of retirement to multi account if it was not highly profitable. Redietz is just doing his typical name dropping and misrepresenting what Munchkin says and does.

8. Munchkin is not on the internet warning anyone about multi accounting or bonus whoring. It's a straight up Dietz lie. MUNCHKIN IS MULTI ACCOUNTING HIMSELF.

[smurgerburger]

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

It seems to always comes back to this obsession with people puffing themselves up. Rather reminiscent of KJ's obsession with exposing fraudulent gambling claims. Or certain religious figures railing against sexual perversity.

[MisterV]

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

It's the same dynamic with religion: unverified claims of miracles etc.

Faith...belief without reason.

[Garnabby]

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

It's the same dynamic with religion: unverified claims of miracles etc. Faith...belief without reason.

My only gripe with what the "APs" report on sites like this is that it's essentially unverifiable fairy tale stuff. No third party tracking. All just, "Trust me, I'm an AP" narratives by anonymous dweebs.

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Oh, I don't know now. I got the country, that Redietz is a trained reporter for Tennessee, and, that you, V had something to do with the law. And I was a Thomas.

Be wary without the TOE. Ha. As mere mortals under the sanity of what Benny called a mass delusion.


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[AxelWolf]

Pro gamblers are interested in making money, not people's opinions about gambling terminology, and some supposed old winning track record from some con magazine.

[accountinquestion]

The best thing is who here has ever given any sort of numbers about winning? Monet maybe some Parlays or the occasional jackpot/VP hit.

Redietz sees it in everyone else that which is more guilty of. Namely, bragging about how successful you are. What are these records that he expects people to have?

We have Axel driving around an RV I believe. Singer claims he did so. Micky does similar in his car doing his thing. Mdawg isn't an AP but tells good stories. Singer wasn't an AP and unlikely had an RV but we'll throw him in the list for lols. No one is really ever talking that much about how much they made and if they do the sums are never particularly impressive. The actual impressive guys have no desire to talk about it.. (Contrast this to Redietz)

The problem is when others started talking about how they could/can beat sports betting with Redietz looses his shit because his whole identity is based around being some grizzled ol 'seen it all' sports-bettor and the APs are like lol heres how you grind sports and or promotions - next.

APs see it as a battle to win money. Casinos on one side, APs on other. Who cares about casinos. They'll gladly fuck up people all the time where they end up like Tasha without pulling enoguh from SS to have a roof over her head.

Redietz sees it as something else. Some moral highground. He is correct about the bonuses being abused and turned down so that is a valid gripe but no one really cares on our side.

Dennison needs an internet intervention IMO.

[MisterV]

Be wary without the TOE. Ha. As mere mortals under the sanity of what Benny called a mass delusion..