Addendum to Post 4111 of "Professional Sportsbetting" Thread

[regnis]

No offense kewl. But why would he or anyone put out their picks and have others jump on. He has given me several good plays. I wont bet them unless i agree as i have also been doing this for 50 years other than down time due to illness.

[kewlJ]

No offense kewl. But why would he or anyone put out their picks and have others jump on.

It isn't horseracing regnis. The odds that he already has don't go down because other people are jumping on.

Look, a player doesn't have to put their picks out there like Dan Druff does or like I did both during the 1st 2 weeks NFL play or during the summer with about 8 weeks on MLB plays. Most real bettors have little interest in that. It is about making money, not bragging rights. BUT if you are going to try to make it into bragging rights indicating you are a successful sports bettor, like redietz tried to do today, then yes, you should put it out there ahead of time. It is nonsense to at this point in time, when the bet is already a winner with hedging possibilities, to be saying I bet such and such at +125 . That is my definition of past posing in relationship to forums. Any time you are bringing it up after the fact, it is past posting.

Now yes, I realize he posted it back in September after 3 games had been played. But omitting any mention of amount wagered again goes to past posting. Because if the wager fizzles he can then say, well I only had it for lunch money, which is something he has said before.

Bottom line, as AcctinQ said in his first response, if redietz is now looking for credibility from this pick, he should have posted full disclosure, including amount wagered at the beginning. I say again, maybe you would have known because you communicated privately with him, but would the rest of us be hearing about this now if texas tech had gone 9-3 and missed the playoffs? And THAT is what I call "cherry-picking".

[regnis]

Not talking about futures.individual bets move

[kewlJ]

Not talking about futures.individual bets move

Individual wagers move, but it doesn't affect the wager you have already placed. So if you are looking for credibility, why would you be afraid to post what you have already wagered?

Anyway, I am not looking to fight with you regnis (you have always seemed like a decent guy), nor anyone really. Just struck me as Redietz past posting AGAIN, looking for some kind of credibility where none exists. Similarly to a guy throwing some money and chips on the bed and saying look, this means I won.

Those contests, some from as far back as the 1980's that Dietz has pushed on us in no way prove anything about whether he won money or not, like he tries to claim or make it seem. Those contests are a tool of sports "touts" and nothing more. They cherry pick results and it feels a lot like that is what Dietz was doing here.

[MDawg]

You are severely mentally ill and need help.

You also don't begin to know how simple you are.

[mcap]

you need to unbunch your panties kewlj. Red has a public ATS record for decades. And don't go writing an essay about Kim Lee now.

Why is it not fair to mention Kim Lee? He has seen all the publications and added up dietz record and it is not enough to make any real money from. And isn't that what this is all about....making real money?

Furthermore it has now been proven that those contests are a tool that touts use so they can cherry-pick results in trying to get new suckers or clients. Don't pretend it is anything more than that.

If this latest Redietz nonsense were real, he would have told you exactly what he had wagered @+125 and stood to make. But that is not what he did. Instead he followed tout 101, so he could "fudge it" at the end depending on if the wager won (was hedgable) or not.

You are literally the easiest person in the history to troll. Spin you up like a top and away you go.

You know why? Because your panties are always in a bunch.

[kewlJ]

You are literally the easiest person in the history to troll. Spin you up like a top and away you go.

You know why? Because your panties are always in a bunch.

Then you will like my new thread. I didn't catagorize you in the new thread as frankly I forget if you come from blackjack roots or not. I think you did. feel free to weigh in against me if you want.

[accountinquestion]

Good try, acctinQ.

Not sure what I am trying outside of pointing out something I believe.

Curious what the others think? I believe that redietz is very much an expert. Kewl is also a bj expert ... just not at the level of redietz.

I am not sure how YOU are qualified to judge or have an informed opinion about either? You recently revealed your 6 month advantage play history involved multi-carding. How does that qualify you to judge anything about BJ AP or who might be a sports betting expert?

And again Red's comments on Ev pretty much disqualify him as an sports betting expert. Go to some sports betting forum or sports betting heavy forum and post what Redietz said about EV and see if ANY of them think he would qualify as an expert.

Huh? I did multi-carding for 6 months and? I've done many many things in my life. Tewlj, you're not even smart enough to realize your points make no sense.

Blackjack has had tons of books written about it. There isn't that much there. Yes, the cloak-n-dagger hiding from casino aspect makes it seem cool... I guess... if you think gambling as a whole is cool but it is hard to find many actual successful APs who share that feeling. I read Ken Uston back in the day. Wow. Cool.

I didn't say Redietz was a sports betting expert. I said nothing about betting. I said he knows more about college football than you know about blackjack. The amount of knowledge required to have like a PhD in blackjack is not that much. Basically the abilility to concentrate well enough to keep track of the count and the willingness to learn lots of tables/indexes.

I get it though.. you've built-up this whole persona about being a blackjack expert.

Son, unknot those panties !

[kewlJ]

Basically the abilility to concentrate well enough to keep track of the count and the willingness to learn lots of tables/indexes.

That is NOT what makes a long-term successful card counter. I'll tell you what. You read a couple of those books and take that knowledge and hit the tables and see how long you last.

A long-term successful card counter is about finding and figuring ways to be able to keep playing. I have shared some of how I do that. Can't share it all. But that is learned from experience and maybe some networking. You won't find that in any of your books genius.

You can diminish what I do and have accomplished, acct. BUT guess what? This is a gambling forum, not a who is successful in business forum. I have made just over 2 million dollars playing blackjack, over 2.5 million total AP. That is not a ton of money. It isn't get rich money. But you would be hard pressed to find a blackjack player today that has made that kind of money.

[accountinquestion]

Basically the abilility to concentrate well enough to keep track of the count and the willingness to learn lots of tables/indexes.

That is NOT what makes a long-term successful card counter. I'll tell you what. You read a couple of those books and take that knowledge and hit the tables and see how long you last.

A long-term successful card counter is about finding and figuring ways to be able to keep playing. I have shared some of how I do that. Can't share it all. But that is learned from experience and maybe some networking. You won't find that in any of your books genius.

You can diminish what I do and have accomplished, acct. BUT guess what? This is a gambling forum, not a who is successful in business forum. I have made just over 2 million dollars playing blackjack, over 2.5 million total AP. That is not a ton of money. It isn't get rich money. But you would be hard pressed to find a blackjack player today that has made that kind of money.

I don't need to read a book to know that if I limit my action to the lowest of +EV situations then casinos won't care.

This is the same thing with sports betting, to some degree slots, even poker. It isn't anything near "genius". It is far better to figure out how to get where you have that option.

I'd much rather have spend 3 years playing BJ and burn through it to the max and then take the money and invest it in other pursuits than I would sit there and spending the rest of my natural life giving up the best hours of the week. That sounds little better than many many jobs.

I don't know enough to have an opinion on $200 an hour EV but I doubt you're able to do that and not have casinos up your ass going forward. I mean how many 3:2 blacktables are even about?

[kewlJ]

I don't need to read a book to know that if I limit my action to the lowest of +EV situations then casinos won't care.

Try it at the stakes I am talking about and get back to us.

I mean how many 3:2 blacktables are even about?

Hundreds (plural). That you seem to think otherwise, again tells me you have no clue what you are talking about, and also what little experience you have playing blackjack is at very low limits (6:5 games)

[accountinquestion]

I don't need to read a book to know that if I limit my action to the lowest of +EV situations then casinos won't care.

Try it at the stakes I am talking about and get back to us.

I mean how many 3:2 blacktables are even about?

Hundreds (plural). That you seem to think otherwise, again tells me you have no clue what you are talking about, and also what little experience you have playing blackjack is at very low limits (6:5 games)

If your whole spiel is you hang out under the big bettors - I can tell you that there just isn't that many places you're going to be able to blend in at like you claim. <shrug> maybe. I don't know. Don't really care. I just think that Redietz knows more about CFB than you know about blackjack. But whatever, you're hangin' out chillin' betting in the shadows of Mdawg types. Fine. I actually subscribed to Vegas Advantage but it just shows limits and not counts. The data wasn't organized to do a quick tally so I aborted but it is possible there are 100s of 3:2 but not 100s of 3:2 tables where you're betting 1k at times playing in the shadows of others... that is what you're claiming, no?

I actually was curious about how many 3:2 tables there are. I kinda very seriously doubt there are 100s but I don't really go to locals casinos but I do know you're going to be hard pressed to fly under any radar off the strip or a major property downtown.

[mcap]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

[kewlJ]

I can tell you that there just isn't that many places you're going to be able to blend in at like you claim. <shrug> maybe. I don't know.

For a guy who "doesn't know", you seem to have issued a strong opinion immediately preceding your "I don't know" admission.

The data wasn't organized to do a quick tally so I aborted but it is possible there are 100s of 3:2 but not 100s of 3:2 tables where you're betting 1k at times playing in the shadows of others... that is what you're claiming, no?

I actually was curious about how many 3:2 tables there are. I kinda very seriously doubt there are 100s but I don't really go to locals casinos but I do know you're going to be hard pressed to fly under any radar off the strip or a major property downtown.

You are conflating two different things. You asked how many 3-2 tables there were. I answered hundreds. On busier times like a Friday night, Saturday night maybe Sunday of a holiday weekend there are 100's (plural) of 3:2 tables throughout Vegas (not just on the strip).

Now you are asking how many I can play and spread what I want to play. That number is much less. Probably 30 on the strip, a couple downtown which I avoid for other reasons, and sparsely at places like Red rock, GVR and other station properties. Again, this is on a Friday or Saturday night. That is why I play those times. And if you are wondering about the 30 on the strip, the bigger casinos have multiple pits open on a busy weekend night. That would be numerous $50 and $100 tables where I can spread what I want. I just have to find a table with a few of the 30-40 year old Cali kids throwing some money around that I can blend in with.

But I am not going to explain any more to you. You are playing the coach belly role, making shit up, talking about shit you obviously have no clue about, hoping for some kind of "gottch ya" moment.

But I gotta ask: what kind of person says "you can't do this or that" and in the very next breath says "I don't know...maybe you can". Seems like you put zero thought into what you are saying, just throwing shit and seeing what sticks.

[kewlJ]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

Yeah THIS!!!

People can and do troll me all the time. I am used to it by now. But you know what....have some fucking clue what you are talking about, acctinQ. You are coming off like Dietz saying EV is an opinion or Singer claiming he can win using progressive wagering and "special plays".

If you are going to engage in the discussion, have a fucking little bit of an idea what you are talking about.

[accountinquestion]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

I never said anything about Kewl not being an blackjack expert. It was a relative comparison.

Ok Grosjean said that and how the fuck does that apply to any this?

I've been impressed by Redietz's depth of knowledge of cfb. Thats like his one thing he puts himself into 110% and basically goes quasi-silent during those times. How that translates into his betting results - no clue. It is almost comical.

I know enough about sports-betting to have a pretty good idea what is going on as far as judgement. I really have no clue how you know what i do or don't know but please tell me. You don't know either. And no I don't keep up with it but I know many layers and the hustle is about the same. Different characters but same basic grind.

Go back to whining about people posting in the wrong forum like an OCD laden person on an otherwise dead forum. Also - you lack reading comprehension.

Never said Redietz is an expert in anything gambling. Didn't say Kewl isn't an expert on BJ.

It would be interesting to know what this math that Grosjean talks about pertains to ... but .. <crickets> I'm sure.

[accountinquestion]

I can tell you that there just isn't that many places you're going to be able to blend in at like you claim. <shrug> maybe. I don't know.

For a guy who "doesn't know", you seem to have issued a strong opinion immediately preceding your "I don't know" admission.

The data wasn't organized to do a quick tally so I aborted but it is possible there are 100s of 3:2 but not 100s of 3:2 tables where you're betting 1k at times playing in the shadows of others... that is what you're claiming, no?

I actually was curious about how many 3:2 tables there are. I kinda very seriously doubt there are 100s but I don't really go to locals casinos but I do know you're going to be hard pressed to fly under any radar off the strip or a major property downtown.

You are conflating two different things. You asked how many 3-2 tables there were. I answered hundreds. On busier times like a Friday night, Saturday night maybe Sunday of a holiday weekend there are 100's (plural) of 3:2 tables throughout Vegas (not just on the strip).

Now you are asking how many I can play and spread what I want to play. That number is much less. Probably 30 on the strip, a couple downtown which I avoid for other reasons, and sparsely at places like Red rock, GVR and other station properties. Again, this is on a Friday or Saturday night. That is why I play those times. And if you are wondering about the 30 on the strip, the bigger casinos have multiple pits open on a busy weekend night. That would be numerous $50 and $100 tables where I can spread what I want. I just have to find a table with a few of the 30-40 year old Cali kids throwing some money around that I can blend in with.

But I am not going to explain any more to you. You are playing the coach belly role, making shit up, talking about shit you obviously have no clue about, hoping for some kind of "gottch ya" moment.

But I gotta ask: what kind of person says "you can't do this or that" and in the very next breath says "I don't know...maybe you can". Seems like you put zero thought into what you are saying, just throwing shit and seeing what sticks.

No, I wasn't conflating. Good grief. I was vague and clarified there are 2 different things. 3:2 tables you can utilize and 3:2 tables overall. Anyway, that is not a anthill I plan on defending. Whether 250 or 150 3:2 tables - it is largely irrelevant.

So what is the reasoning here that had you move up in limits after OSN entries?

Mcap may feel sorry for you but many of us don't.

Also - I don't think I said you can't do anything in this thread. It is but another made up lie on the spot. The truth/reality has no meaning for you.

[accountinquestion]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

Yeah THIS!!!

People can and do troll me all the time. I am used to it by now. But you know what....have some fucking clue what you are talking about, acctinQ. You are coming off like Dietz saying EV is an opinion or Singer claiming he can win using progressive wagering and "special plays".

If you are going to engage in the discussion, have a fucking little bit of an idea what you are talking about.

Oh I know what i'm talking about when it comes to you.

The only thing I expressed was that I'm not sure there are 200+ 3:2 tables in LV. Maybe there are. I can readily admit not being sure about something. I can be skeptical. It is what smart people do. (Sorry if this inflames mcap) Just like I'm skeptical someone fractures an arm being pushed into a chair or whatever it was. I don't *KNOW* it didn't happen but I was skeptical... as I have been about many many things.

[accountinquestion]

So Kewl - direct this conversation into what area is the math of blackjack needs work done. What do you think Grosjean was referencing?

I'm just did a 4 poster back to back. I'm done for now. My loser quotient has maxed.

[kewlJ]

For a guy who "doesn't know", you seem to have issued a strong opinion immediately preceding your "I don't know" admission.

The data wasn't organized to do a quick tally so I aborted but it is possible there are 100s of 3:2 but not 100s of 3:2 tables where you're betting 1k at times playing in the shadows of others... that is what you're claiming, no?

I actually was curious about how many 3:2 tables there are. I kinda very seriously doubt there are 100s but I don't really go to locals casinos but I do know you're going to be hard pressed to fly under any radar off the strip or a major property downtown.

You are conflating two different things. You asked how many 3-2 tables there were. I answered hundreds. On busier times like a Friday night, Saturday night maybe Sunday of a holiday weekend there are 100's (plural) of 3:2 tables throughout Vegas (not just on the strip).

Now you are asking how many I can play and spread what I want to play. That number is much less. Probably 30 on the strip, a couple downtown which I avoid for other reasons, and sparsely at places like Red rock, GVR and other station properties. Again, this is on a Friday or Saturday night. That is why I play those times. And if you are wondering about the 30 on the strip, the bigger casinos have multiple pits open on a busy weekend night. That would be numerous $50 and $100 tables where I can spread what I want. I just have to find a table with a few of the 30-40 year old Cali kids throwing some money around that I can blend in with.

But I am not going to explain any more to you. You are playing the coach belly role, making shit up, talking about shit you obviously have no clue about, hoping for some kind of "gottch ya" moment.

But I gotta ask: what kind of person says "you can't do this or that" and in the very next breath says "I don't know...maybe you can". Seems like you put zero thought into what you are saying, just throwing shit and seeing what sticks.

No, I wasn't conflating. Good grief. I was vague and clarified there are 2 different things. 3:2 tables you can utilize and 3:2 tables overall. Anyway, that is not a anthill I plan on defending. Whether 250 or 150 3:2 tables - it is largely irrelevant.

So what is the reasoning here that had you move up in limits after OSN entries?

Mcap may feel sorry for you but many of us don't.

I have shared all I intend to about why I changed how I play. If you can't figure it out, that is on you. You can ask 5 more times (you already have twice) and still won't get an answer from me. I share what I want to share about what I do and how I do it, not what you, some coach belly clone demand I share.

And Mcap feeling sorry for me is laughable. Mcap has never gone out of his way to be supportive of me and that is fine. And he didn't here either. All he did was point out in no uncertain terms how you seem to be talking about shit you really have no clue about. I feel like I am fucking talking to Tasha when I am talking to you.