KJ BJ expert?

[kewlJ]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

This post is the singularly most telling thing about AcctinQ agenda with all this expert shit.


And now what are you up to 4, 5, 6? times asking the same question that I am not going to answer. You troll me, call me a lie, lie about me and then want me to answer a question like you are being decent, when all you are doing is some coach belly trolling shit.

And really the answer is not that hard to figure out. If you were familiar with database entries, you would know that they can contain all sorts of information about the player. A photo, a physical description. A description of identifying features, maybe a tattoo, maybe a scar. A description of how the player plays, including limits. Sometimes it might say something like "often seen in the company of.....".

Now if you can't figure it out from there, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you should ask your gambling expert friend with the high IQ, who put that to work in a career as a "tout". Maybe together you can figure it out.

[MDawg]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

[kewlJ]

Sometimes it might say something like "often seen in the company of.....".

Interesting little side story with this. It is common knowledge that it isn't a good idea for a card counter to play at a table with another card counter. Even if using different counts and styles they will basically be raising and lowering wagers in unison. You can disguise some of that, but can't eliminate it. Nothing good can come from continuing to play at a table with another counter.

So I had a friend I used to network with that one time found himself in that situation. He said "fuck it" I was here first, I am not leaving. Well the next thing he knew he was in the database, along with the other counter. That other counter was a known member of a known team. So my friend then had a notation linking him to that team of players of which he had no association with, which made the database 5 times worse.

So you have to understand how the database works. You have to understand how EVERYTHING works and avoid or minimize the pitfalls.

In my case all I am willing to say I needed a break or change from the way I had been playing for 10 years. And it needed to be longer than the couple months break I normally take with a database entry. It has now been 4+ years. I could probably go back to playing the way I used to or at least mix some in, but frankly, I like playing 1 or 2 nights a week and making close to what I used to make playing 5 days a week.

[MDawg]

The kewlJ(s) have no idea what they wrote months ago or yesterday. Their whole self-presentation is inconsistent and ridiculous.

There is something bizarre about a poster who persistently debunks himself and then acts as if people should believe him. It's gotta be some kind of joke.

[accountinquestion]

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

This post is the singularly most telling thing about AcctinQ agenda with all this expert shit.


And now what are you up to 4, 5, 6? times asking the same question that I am not going to answer. You troll me, call me a lie, lie about me and then want me to answer a question like you are being decent, when all you are doing is some coach belly trolling shit.

And really the answer is not that hard to figure out. If you were familiar with database entries, you would know that they can contain all sorts of information about the player. A photo, a physical description. A description of identifying features, maybe a tattoo, maybe a scar. A description of how the player plays, including limits. Sometimes it might say something like "often seen in the company of.....".

Now if you can't figure it out from there, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you should ask your gambling expert friend with the high IQ, who put that to work in a career as a "tout". Maybe together you can figure it out.

I asked everyone as a whole. Not just you. It sounds like bullshit reasoning - Exactly what I said. My reasoning is solid so you gotta go back and try to find some random backup and reinforce that because you refuse to address the issue because you can't.

Now you're redietzing me with the Riddler type talk.

Brother, I have figured it out. It seems like bad advice to me. This is what real APs do - they figure out upstairs operations so one can determine how to operate in whatever/angle scheme you are doing. I'm just trying to have an open conversation. You completely avoid it because your idea sounded good enough and now you're committed to the lie. All your 'this is how we do it' talk.

You're playing prime time when security is staffed up the best.
You're playing at the bigger/est tables which are getting the most heat.
Your table selection is considerably smaller.
You're playing at the tables with the highest incentive for the casino to track the count due to anyone fucking around with their bet size.

So you might say they're only looking for you in the lower limits. Like .. the higher limit security guys aren't memorizing faces from the red-chip section of OSN? Is that what we're going with?

Sure you have to play less for the same income but you're in an exponentially more sweaty situation.

I mean it might work if you're not playing near every weekend but I dunno .. who knows .. lol possibly.

Ultimately it seems like a bad idea as you'd be in some sort of collateral damage/observation situation?

All that adds up to bad idea, to me, homie. *IF* you are infact trying to be mr counting4life

You always whine about serious discussion this, serious discussion that. How this forum yadda yadda.. then here we are. Lets have a serious discussion.

Or get help.

[kewlJ]

AccountinQ doesn't understand how not being the largest bettor at the table, even with max bet out would be advantageous and draw less attention.

I am sorry dude, it is NOT my job to explain it to you, if it is something I would rather not discuss on open forum in detail. But you might want to read this post by Mcap yet again. You are talking about shit and trying to make counter-points proving me wrong about subject matter, that it is fairly obvious to everyone, you know little about.

I have received two backoffs this year. Lowest total ever. Just maybe I know what the fuck I am doing and you are talking shit that you don't know about!

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

[MDawg]

kewlJ: just admit that you enjoy telling stories for attention on forums, and will try to stop doing this in the future.

[accountinquestion]

AccountinQ doesn't understand how not being the largest bettor at the table, even with max bet out would be advantageous and draw less attention.

I am sorry dude, it is NOT my job to explain it to you, if it is something I would rather not discuss on open forum in detail. But you might want to read this post by Mcap yet again. You are talking about shit and trying to make counter-points proving me wrong about subject matter, that it is fairly obvious to everyone, you know little about.

I have received two backoffs this year. Lowest total ever. Just maybe I know what the fuck I am doing and you are talking shit that you don't know about!

With all due respect AIQ, you don't know enough about either blackjack or sports betting to be making judgments about who's an expert on either. Grosjean has said he's shocked at how little additional blackjack research in developing has been done on blackjack since he exposed there was much more math to it in his books.

Take away the due respect and you sound like a complete fucking moron, like a college freshman taking his first psychology or philosophy course.

Nope. If you are at the table with the largest bettor it seems like they're going to be paying attention to the count. The count is the labor intensive part. When you are reviewing one guy you're going to be reviewing the rest of the bettors. This guy is betting black chips... then rewind it to look at your primary target and glance at other guys. Hey wait this guy was betting green back before count changed. Lets observe this guy closer.

What? Do you think you'll just get a walk because a big bettor is there? You were the one bragging about $200 an hour. Doesn't compute to me.

I mean if you look at it from an actual operational level is what the best APs do from what little I know... but you can just simplify it and say "oh they won't be paying attention to me because this guy is a bigger bettor". Sure your simplification makes sense at that level but I'm just going through my head in practice. Like the time you claimed you could count 3 tables. 2 wasn't enough, had to push it.

Maybe you were backed off maybe you're making it up like so much other stuff. WHo knows man, who knows.. You make up so much stuff what you say about bj means so little.

BTW Your quoting other people is something you've learned from Mdawg. I don't know if you realize it but.. you went from redietzing me with the oh it is so obvious but I won't say ... to repeating the 1 guy that kinda supported you by going after your opponent. Mcap has no clue what I know or don't know and I don't think it is that hard to evaluate whether someone is an expert - whatever that even means.

His point wasn't even relevant as I never said anything about someone being an expert in sports betting or not... lol soooooo... ?

Redietz prides himself in delving into cfb in an autistic like obsessive manner. Whether you know more about blackjack or not? Who knows lol. You're kinda dopey if you read much into that as such things are near impossible to quantify in a useful manner. Great to wind you up though.

Man I need to get to work. Which is more fun, Kewl or doing work? Why fucking with Kewl is more fun.

[kewlJ]

Mcap has no clue what I know or don't know

He knows enough to KNOW you don't know what you are talking about when discussing blackjack card counting. I kind of forgot who Mcap was for a minute because he doesn't post much. He is an experienced card counter, or was at one point. I don't really know what all he does now. And every other person on this forum whether they count cards or not knows that you have no clue what you are talking about. You are just fucking talking! Just arguing points you know shit about.

And you KNOW how people know you don't know what the fuck you are talking about? Your posts are littered with these phrases: "what do I know", "from what little I know", "maybe it is, maybe it isn't". "what makes sense to me" ect. Dude you are a fucking nut job arguing with people when you don't know shit and the people you are arguing with, me, Zenking, Half Smoke, Mcap do know what the fuck we are talking about.

Here is a perfect example of you just making some shit up out of the blue: "If you are at the table with the largest bettor it seems like they're going to be paying attention to the count. The count is the labor intensive part. When you are reviewing one guy you're going to be reviewing the rest of the bettors".


This may seem logical to you, someone who has no clue but it is NOT how an evaluation works. And evaluation is done by computer on a specific player. There is NO labor intensive part. The pit will call upstairs and say "run an evaluation on player in seat 4. If you are in seat 5 you are no more at risk that someone on the other side of the casino. So throw what seems logical to you out the window....you are as usual 100% wrong!

Now I know what to do and not do to not trigger an evaluation or minimize the chances. One such rule is to not be the biggest bettor at the table. Another is to not spread through different colors (if possible). You completely made up that I spread green to black. That was when I played the local circuit. On the strip at $100 minimum tables I spread black period. And my minimum bet isn't even $100. I spread down to that in negative counts. That is called spreading both ways. Do you have any idea what that means? It makes it much harder to actually see the spread. And much less likely an evaluation will be triggered.

And finally, in the event that an evaluation (done by computer, not a person) is triggered, I usually know or have figured it out. At a game moving slowly as the full tables on weekends do, such an evaluation will take minimum 45 minutes. They have to see the count rise and go back to the shuffle and sometime waiting for the count to rise can take several shoes. (30-45 minutes) If you exit at the shuffle after showing max bet, there is very little chance they have the info they need before you have exited. And playing unrated, the partial evaluation is trash. It isn't held over until the next time you sit down and hand over your card, because you don't hand over a card.

Now I am done with you. You are talking shit you have no fucking clue about. You have even admitted that I am an expert in BJ (your words) and now you who has more than proven you don't know what you are talking about, are sitting there arguing with the expert (by your own admission). Dude, that is like the fucking definition of an idiot!! What the fuck is the matter with you? To steal a phrase from Jdaewoo, you are fucking retarded!

PS. You really should stop your private communications with Dawg. He is making you look like as big an idiot as he is.

[accountinquestion]

Mcap has no clue what I know or don't know

He knows enough to KNOW you don't know what you are talking about when discussing blackjack card counting. I kind of forgot who Mcap was for a minute because he doesn't post much. He is an experienced card counter, or was at one point. I don't really know what all he does now. And every other person on this forum whether they count cards or not knows that you have no clue what you are talking about. You are just fucking talking! Just arguing points you know shit about.

And you KNOW how people know you don't know what the fuck you are talking about? Your posts are littered with these phrases: "what do I know", "from what little I know", "maybe it is, maybe it isn't". "what makes sense to me" ect. Dude you are a fucking nut job arguing with people when you don't know shit and the people you are arguing with, me, Zenking, Half Smoke, Mcap do know what the fuck we are talking about.

Here is a perfect example of you just making some shit up out of the blue: "If you are at the table with the largest bettor it seems like they're going to be paying attention to the count. The count is the labor intensive part. When you are reviewing one guy you're going to be reviewing the rest of the bettors".


This may seem logical to you, someone who has no clue but it is NOT how an evaluation works. And evaluation is done by computer on a specific player. There is NO labor intensive part. The pit will call upstairs and say "run an evaluation on player in seat 4. If you are in seat 5 you are no more at risk that someone on the other side of the casino. So throw what seems logical to you out the window....you are as usual 100% wrong!

Now I know what to do and not do to not trigger an evaluation or minimize the chances. One such rule is to not be the biggest bettor at the table. Another is to not spread through different colors (if possible). You completely made up that I spread green to black. That was when I played the local circuit. On the strip at $100 minimum tables I spread black period. And my minimum bet isn't even $100. I spread down to that in negative counts. That is called spreading both ways. Do you have any idea what that means? It makes it much harder to actually see the spread. And much less likely an evaluation will be triggered.

And finally, in the event that an evaluation (done by computer, not a person) is triggered, I usually know or have figured it out. At a game moving slowly as the full tables on weekends do, such an evaluation will take minimum 45 minutes. They have to see the count rise and go back to the shuffle and sometime waiting for the count to rise can take several shoes. (30-45 minutes) If you exit at the shuffle after showing max bet, there is very little chance they have the info they need before you have exited. And playing unrated, the partial evaluation is trash. It isn't held over until the next time you sit down and hand over your card, because you don't hand over a card.

Now I am done with you. You are talking shit you have no fucking clue about. You have even admitted that I am an expert in BJ (your words) and now you who has more than proven you don't know what you are talking about, are sitting there arguing with the expert (by your own admission). Dude, that is like the fucking definition of an idiot!! What the fuck is the matter with you? To steal a phrase from Jdaewoo, you are fucking retarded!

PS. You really should stop your private communications with Dawg. He is making you look like as big an idiot as he is.

Dude - I can readily say if I don't know what I am talking about. You not only can not do that you are quick to absolutely invent reality on things you don't understand.

That is the difference between smart people and those not. SMart people in general have the capability to evaluate themselves. You don't. You know so little about so much you think people can count 3 tables at once, break bones on tables, hit 100k jackpots on the freeplay but no one else has ever heard of it happening, and so much other stuff. You just double-down on it all your lies.

I was a fool and thought you were an expert at one point too and repeated your foolishness. There is no reason to believe anything you said. Like MaxPen said ..

I didn't say you spread from green to black and that detail doesn't particularly matter IMO. I was just using it to narrate how I see it working. We both have an idea how a security room would work. If they look at the count and evaluation - what would blind them to the rest of the table? Why would a computer take 45 minutes to evaluate a table?

You realize they record the video and can rewind and such. How do you think these modern high-limit security rooms operate? JUst with a camera moving forward?

Why wouldn't they have the computer evaluate past footage? That makes absolutely no sense that they can only do it in real time.

There are reasons we use technology. seriously.

If they evaluating the count they're probably paying attention to the whole table.

Anyway, your take on how it work just doesn't compute for me. Tell me I don't know what i'm talkng about sure but you can't explain why they need to do all this in real time. If a computer can determine the count then you rewind security footage 30 minutes or whatever then evaluate faster than real time. Why would it take "at minimum 45 minutes"? I mean you may have read that somewhere but I can't imagine the systems being that backwards if a computer can evaluate to begin with. If a person has to evaluate the count - they perhaps. If a computer does it - then it makes absolutely 0 sense to not go back in time and start the evaluation. A computer could evaluate when the count is really high and really low. You go sample bet sizes at those times... it shouldn't take that long. It is fascinating that they seem to be using tech from a lolng time ago.

Weird story at one point i worked at a big name computer company and the R&D lab. They had a bid for hardware to store video on drives for fast access. That was 25 years ago.

Ok, rereading what you say you're saying the pit specifically calls in the evaluation on a certain seat. *THAT* at least is a good reason. Finally ... you said something that makes sense. I can now understand how your anti-OSN strategy could work. If security only runs the evaluation on one person at a time and it is always instigated by the pit - then sure your strategy at least makes sense.

Instead you want to troll and just go on and on about nonsensical insults. Elsewher you play victim. If you want to have serious conversations then try it.

If you're done with me you should never have started a new thread, doofus.

This has 0 to do with Mdawg, not sure why he is so deep in your head. Sad.

[kewlJ]

I am heading out very shortly. I just explained it all to you in as great of detail as i can. That you continue to say "it doesn't compute" is on you not me.

Dude, frankly I just handed you your ass. Took down all you fucking troll points and explained how things really work. And to no one's surprise, you weren't man enough to come back admit you were wrong and issue something along the lines of an apology.

If you still can'6t figure out that I just handed you your ass, ask yourself this? Why have your fellow trolls gone silent? They can't even muster up support for you.

If you need to hear it from someone you know and trust, ask mickey. You met him or are friends with him or something right? Ask him. I know he doesn't like to get too involved but I am pretty sure he will tell you I just took you to school, debunking each and every one of your trolling points, explaining how things really work.

[accountinquestion]

I am heading out very shortly. I just explained it all to you in as great of detail as i can. That you continue to say "it doesn't compute" is on you not me.

Dude, frankly I just handed you your ass. Took down all you fucking troll points and explained how things really work. And to no one's surprise, you weren't man enough to come back admit you were wrong and issue something along the lines of an apology.

If you still can'6t figure out that I just handed you your ass, ask yourself this? Why have your fellow trolls gone silent? They can't even muster up support for you.

If you need to hear it from someone you know and trust, ask mickey. You met him or are friends with him or something right? Ask him. I know he doesn't like to get too involved but I am pretty sure he will tell you I just took you to school, debunking each and every one of your trolling points, explaining how things really work.

No, you have little clue. If I was a sharp operator and in control of the security stack I'd rewind the cam feed until whatever time I deemed appropriate. I'd have the computer compute the highest and lowest count. (Assuming a computer can do it unaided without a human. Probably not that hard with AI these days. You have tons of training data.) Then from there you look at a few key points from when the count is both high and low. Then just see what bet sizes are for anyone at the table. In theory you could automate the whole thing. If humans can see chip sizes with a camera then surely computers can. And you'd find pretty much any counter within 5 minutes of labor.

This is far beyond what most any casinos need but you're apparently not betting green as you said you aren't Which puts your minimum bet at 100? Or did you mean to say you go into green on negative counts? Now you make me want to look up EV vs your spread.

I mean who knows - neither you or I knows much about MGM or Circa security (as examples). It all takes skilled people to do these things and many casinos would not find it worth it. Maybe the software was never advanced far enough but somehow computers can count? Oh well. APs always want to know how it works up there. One thing for certain is the smaller joints that you don't mess with are the ones that are going to be more traditional and weaker. The big boys where you exclusively play are going to be far far far more likely to really have their shit together.

Regardless, pit bosses doing things in a specific way which is a holdover from forever ago isn't surprising. All you've done is clarify some thing after I badgered you enough.

Kewl, you didn't "hand me my ass". You actually engaged in a useful conversation where you told someone something that wasn't known/understood to them and can explain your purported narrative. But so many of your narratives are lol. At least this one I can make sense and it is thus reasonable.

I'm still curious how many blackjack tables there are that have people betting 500 or whatever and so and you can just hang out by them. And they're prone to getting up and leaving. Next time I'm in LV I'll have to see for myself. Just seems like this number would be small enough that you'd negative many of your advantages. That is the crux of my belief and still valid.

[MDawg]

The "I only play short sessions NEVER stay at the table long" works only in conjunction with sugar daddy ploys, playing for cover and just staying at the table long enough to work the male prostitution angle. Also works when don't actually play just pretend to play.

Can't be a 20 year blackjack pro without entries. Unless of course it's a side gig while running around town looking for sugar daddies and turning tricks.....RIP

I'm rather certain he has money from something he feels shame over

Most likely a prostitute

Pretending to be some hero AP gives him purpose and a sense of accomplishment.

You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

I actually play while UNKewlJ just writes about it in plainly generic terms and there is no way to predict how long a session will be before an advantage situation arises. Could happen soon could take a very long time. The UNKewl fable about never playing for very long over decades blows the whole nonsense right at the gate. Every single UNKewl post emphasizes this theory (UNKewl fable) about how she has never played a long session keeps moving as the "key to longevity." It's just a fable she concocted and stuck to because there is little or no actual play, just regurgitation of fabled theory.

Eventually of course we might see a revised fable of "Actually I DO play long sessions just never mentioned it before," but that's the nature of this lying chameleon.

Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[jdaewoo]

This retard needs to get over it and fuck a guy.

[Keystone]

This retard needs to get over it and fuck a guy.

He has.....regularly

[kewlJ]

It is kind of funny to see the trolls jump out of bed and start trolling with comments about shit they know nothing about. I guess I should cut Acct some slack as he doesn't play blackjack and so he doesn't know much about what he is talking about. My only question is why is he still arguing and insisting then? And Dawg, while he plays, is a losing player (except in his fiction stories). So he doesn't have to worry about evaluations and backoffs and other counter-measure.

Just as a courtesy, I will clear some things up about what I previously shared about how I play, since they clowns are conflating everything. Wont matter as they will say whatever the fuck they want anyway. For 10 years here in Vegas, I played what I call the local circuit. That would be casinos like the 6 Stations casinos, Fiestas (now closed), Boyd properties, South Point, Silverton, a couple downtown properties and several just off strip properties, like Palms, Westgate, OYO (hooter). A few even smaller places mixed in but the group mentioned were the jist of it. You will note no strip properties for various reasons, although there was one that was in my primary rotation.

So when playing these properties, my max bet was in the $400 range, staying below the key threshold of $500. You also couldn't go much higher than that at these type places during the week or you would really stand out. Now the play style as I often shared was very short sessions. You leave at the shuffle after showing max bet (maybe 2 cycles on double deck), which almost makes it impossible for surveillance to gather the information they need in the time you are at the table. About the time they are seeing your spread, you have left or are leaving.

Now about 5 years ago, in part due to some mistakes from me, I found several entries in OSN. I was getting more backoffs and heat and it wasn't going away. I decided I needed to completely re-invent how I played for a period until things cooled down. Maybe a year or two (it has been 4+ now). So I started playing bigger (strip) casinos, during busier times, playing higher stakes, but ONLY at tables with other players playing the same or bigger stakes. I call this playing in the shadow of....

Playing slower games during busier times means you aren't playing the VERY short sessions like I was before. BUT YOU DONT NEED TO as it takes longer for an evaluation. I guess this is where I should explain a little more about the evaluation process since these clowns have no clue how it works. (and why would they, one doesn't play blackjack and one is a losing player that the casino love and aren't running evaluations on )

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First, accountinQ mentioned evaluating the whole table at once. While that technology is certainly available, when casinos did a version of this, during the Mind play fiasco, the end ruling prohibited them from doing so in real times. They had to implement a 20-30 round delay to avoid the ability to cheat by then feeding the count information down to the floor to shuffle away the good counts. So it is illegal to do what accountinQ suggested. Do some still do it? That I can't say.

So the way the evaluation works is they evaluate one player at a times comparing wagers (betting more) to the count. But it isn't so simple as count rises, player increases his wager...BOOM, he is a counter. Many other players, like players chasing losses or players parlaying wins raise wagers, and the casinos don't want to wrongly back them up. So the 'check" to this is most casino want to see a second cycle of the player raising with the count. I rarely give them that second cycle.

Now what these nitwits have jumped on, thinking a discrepancy is the short sessions. Playing the local circuit, this all happened more quickly. I needed to be out after 30 minutes, to be sure I was gone before they got what they needed. Playing busier times with the game moving much slower (and the information collecting process moving much slower), the whole process is much slower. So the sessions aren't as quick. It can take several shoes before the count even moves at all and the process begins!

So there you have it girls (dawg and account). Good try but wrong again....not that it stops you from arguing what you don't know about.

[kewlJ]

One other small detail. I said evaluation come from the floor, with the pit calling up to trigger the evaluation. That is the most common procedure. But some casinos it is initiated upstairs in surveillance (or what acctQ calls the security room ).

It is another one of those things that a real player learns.....makes it his business to figure out and learn. And it isn't that hard to figure out. When calling for an evaluation someone in the pit picks up the phone to call upstairs. Now everytime someone picks up a phone they aren't calling for an evaluation, there are chip fills and various other reasons the go to the phone. But these guys aren't all that subtle. When they call for an evaluation they usually are looking right at the table and player. Maybe because they need to say Table 14, seat 5. But, I often wonder if they even realize they are doing this.

[MDawg]

I pointed out the contradictions in his story, more than once long ago:
Part of where the UNKewl one keeps tripping himself up is in contradictions. He talks about how he barely wins $50. average in a session. At other times talks about how he buys in for so little chips - in the region of $150. - $250. - that he draws no attention to himself. Then he talks about how he declined to start another session because he was $3000. short of the "mandatory" $7000. he needs to play. Very contradictory.

I also pointed out that his entire fictionalized blackjack story fit too neatly into a "I won exactly what was expected" - someone else, I believe it was AccountInQuestion, mentioned that someone playing like that, unrated, no consistent play, couldn't even know exactly what his handle (amount passed over the circle) was, to begin to figure out what was "expected" over a period of many years.

Well, now others too know that it was all fiction. All neatly packaged into something he read about, and assumed.

Everything and anything he has ever said has come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life have beeen labeled as fiction.

[coach belly]

You leave at the shuffle after showing max bet (maybe 2 cycles on double deck), which almost makes it impossible for surveillance to gather the information they need in the time you are at the table. About the time they are seeing your spread, you have left or are leaving.

You have left, or are leaving, or you go play VP rated for 6 hours, accumulating or cashing in millions of dollars of freeplay.

I needed to be out after 30 minutes, to be sure I was gone before they got what they needed.

Unless you were thirsty, in which case being gone before they got what they needed was not important...

I had to wait half an hour for a waitress and another half hour to get the damn 6 or 8 ounce water

[kewlJ]

I pointed out the contradictions in his story, more than once long ago:
Part of where the UNKewl one keeps tripping himself up is in contradictions. He talks about how he barely wins $50. average in a session. At other times talks about how he buys in for so little chips - in the region of $150. - $250. - that he draws no attention to himself. Then he talks about how he declined to start another session because he was $3000. short of the "mandatory" $7000. he needs to play. Very contradictory.

I also pointed out that his entire fictionalized blackjack story fit too neatly into a "I won exactly what was expected" - someone else, I believe it was AccountInQuestion, mentioned that someone playing like that, unrated, no consistent play, couldn't even know exactly what his handle (amount passed over the circle) was, to begin to figure out what was "expected" over a period of many years.

Well, now others too know that it was all fiction. All neatly packaged into something he read about, and assumed.

Everything and anything he has ever said has come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life have been labeled as fiction.

dawg, I am not going to answer every question that YOU a recreational type (higher limit, but recreational type) LOSING player can't figure out. I share what I want to share.

But I will generally state that one of the big no-no's for a card counter is running out of money mid cycle. We work hard to get to a shoe or situation with a strong favorable count (Max bet count) and the last thing you want to do is run out of money with a strong plus count (strong +EV).

I have a general rule that I don't want start a session with less than 15 x max bet. 20 is even better. And the reason for this is when playing a shoe game, if the count goes positive early there can be many rounds played at max bet. There also is the rarer but devastating situation where you split a hand 3 times with multiple double down. You can lose 8 max bets on that single round. So you have to have adequate BR to not get caught and lose out on a PLUS count (+EV).

I know this doesn't effect a LOSING player like you as you would just take out a marker. REAL card counters don't use markers. We don't want to surrender the info required to the casino like that.

So each time you mention taking a marker, you confirm to the real players that you are no winning player.

Dawg, you really should have stuck to bacarát for this fiction/fantasy story. Your first couple years you only talked about bacarát, but then you switched to some blackjack because of me. I know it....you know it. And in doing so, you have exposed yourself many times. And not just to real blackjack AP/professional players. Everyone that is a real professional LEVEL player immediately spotted these things that expose you. Things that a losing recreation player can do, but no real winning player ever would.

It always comes back to I don't know who you think you are fooling with your long running fantasy, but really I don't think you are fooling a single member of any forum. Maybe you should have stuck to the 'writers forum' where everyone wasn't a real gambler and knowledgeable about gambling. Your James Bond story might have worked there. But it doesn't work on any forum with real players and Aps.