The final word on proving Dice Influencing

[OneHitWonder]

From a guy who couldn't spell worth potatoes, ha.

Ooooh, a spelling critic.

Curious, I checked out this clown's posts.

His SECOND post on this forum has a classic spelling error.

see:

====================

05-07-2015, 09:54 AM
Thread: Question for Math/Gambling/Craps Experts
by OneHitWonder

"As far as I understand your apparently unique... "

====================

It's "you're" not "your."

Trolls who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

ha

The word 'your' is the correct word in that spot. Please include a link when posting such trivia, or, at least, don't garble stuff of others.

"As far as I understand your apparently unique position: there is one die to show a two, either one; hence the other one will show a 2 one-sixth of the time. If you follow my earlier argument - about there being no question or matter of any chance of both dies showing a 2 when the initially read-looked at die does not show a 2, ..."

P.S. I do recall having made a few typos from time to time. I misspelled voyeur, a while back, too, which, ironically, is sort of what you seem to be about. It was an obvious typo, so I left it. Not to mention that you have made a few spelling errors of your own. Like millennium, which has two n's. But I saw no reason to point it out. You are no Dan Quayle, haha. Just a "neighbor boy" across the gambling forums.

P.P.S. Some book says not to add a slap when berating others. Now, I see the reason.

[RS__]

Mick-I easily threw 500,000 trials at home on my table, and probably a lot more. Do you think that didn't give me empirical evidence? Do you really think I woke up one day and decided I was a shooter/ You guys are looking for exact numbers and percentages for each number thrown to determine an exact edge. If you have played craps, and RS should know better, once it was determined that I could avoid the 7 for lengthy periods, and that during those periods I could throw a disproportionate amount of 10s and 8s, why do I need anything more. Why do I need exact percentages. I bet the 8 and 10---duh!!!!!

Now. I don't disagree that I could have possibly optimized my bets better with that exact knowledge, but again, it is craps. There is nothing exact about it.

And don't think there weren't days where my shoulder hurt from hockey or my hand or wrist was sore that I knew immediately I couldn't throw and quickly quit. My edge was my throw--nothing more.

I've come to learn over time that empirical evidence isn't all that great or trustworthy. Last year I played a good amount of blackjack (card counting) and I felt like I was off my game because I was just losing and losing and losing. I didn't know how much I was down in BJ for the current year, but I knew it had to be a lot. I estimated in my head 15-20k loss for the first few months. I opened up my spreadsheet with all my gambling entries (VP, slots, promos, BJ, expenses, etc.) and added up only the BJ sessions....and I was up something like 10-15k (I don't remember off the top of my head, but was in that range). I was astonished. I re-verified all my entries, made sure I wasn't adding extra 0's and all that stuff, and sure enough, even though it felt like all I was doing was losing, I was actually up.

If your results were so astounding such that simple empirical data showed you rolled more 8s/10s and fewer 7s, you would have had a super massive edge and have absolutely incredible influence on the dice. It's been my understanding that dice-influencers can only alter the probabilities by a few percent and not some huge amount which would be required for your empirical data claim to be of significance.


It'd be like flipping a coin then coming to the conclusion using empirical data (and not tracking it) that the coin is biased. For this to happen, you're not going to be able to notice if it's 51/49 in favor of heads or even 55/45 or 60/40. There would need to be a significant difference between the probabilities, more like 75/25.


It just astonishes me that someone would not keep track of their rolls.

[RS__]

Are you sure you have played craps?

Craps?

Oh, I thought we were talking about crops.

This is the Modern Farmer site, isn't it?

+1

[OneHitWonder]

OneHitWonder: I'd rather read what regnis posts than your regurgitated nonsense. Please don't push regnis away. Why don't you just leave if the info is just nonsense?

There's no fear of that because total dipshits are like shit on your shoe, and everywhere.

But, there is always something to learn from every one, especially the dumbest.

P.S. Alan, why don't you just fuck off? You're a mommy's boy with his pants pulled down.

[regnis]

Mick-I easily threw 500,000 trials at home on my table, and probably a lot more. Do you think that didn't give me empirical evidence? Do you really think I woke up one day and decided I was a shooter/ You guys are looking for exact numbers and percentages for each number thrown to determine an exact edge. If you have played craps, and RS should know better, once it was determined that I could avoid the 7 for lengthy periods, and that during those periods I could throw a disproportionate amount of 10s and 8s, why do I need anything more. Why do I need exact percentages. I bet the 8 and 10---duh!!!!!

Now. I don't disagree that I could have possibly optimized my bets better with that exact knowledge, but again, it is craps. There is nothing exact about it.

And don't think there weren't days where my shoulder hurt from hockey or my hand or wrist was sore that I knew immediately I couldn't throw and quickly quit. My edge was my throw--nothing more.

I've come to learn over time that empirical evidence isn't all that great or trustworthy. Last year I played a good amount of blackjack (card counting) and I felt like I was off my game because I was just losing and losing and losing. I didn't know how much I was down in BJ for the current year, but I knew it had to be a lot. I estimated in my head 15-20k loss for the first few months. I opened up my spreadsheet with all my gambling entries (VP, slots, promos, BJ, expenses, etc.) and added up only the BJ sessions....and I was up something like 10-15k (I don't remember off the top of my head, but was in that range). I was astonished. I re-verified all my entries, made sure I wasn't adding extra 0's and all that stuff, and sure enough, even though it felt like all I was doing was losing, I was actually up.

If your results were so astounding such that simple empirical data showed you rolled more 8s/10s and fewer 7s, you would have had a super massive edge and have absolutely incredible influence on the dice. It's been my understanding that dice-influencers can only alter the probabilities by a few percent and not some huge amount which would be required for your empirical data claim to be of significance.


It'd be like flipping a coin then coming to the conclusion using empirical data (and not tracking it) that the coin is biased. For this to happen, you're not going to be able to notice if it's 51/49 in favor of heads or even 55/45 or 60/40. There would need to be a significant difference between the probabilities, more like 75/25.


It just astonishes me that someone would not keep track of their rolls.

The rolls that count are those done in the casino. The results of those rolls were duly recorded each and every time. The specifics within those rolls--not a chance. Why would you record each roll and lose your rhythm? Just makes no sense. But each and every "roll"--meaning from getting the dice until 7ing- out was duly recorded. That is done for and required by our friends at the IRS.

[OneHitWonder]

It just astonishes me that someone would not keep track of their rolls.

What astonishes me is that so-called professional poker players such as Dandruff can't fathom the simplest forms of probabilities. What is the chance of 18 straight yo's, Dan? Better check your figures. Beyond this, (internet) cowards and (weird claims without proof) blowhards like regnis (singer) and Mendelson are easy to figure. Easy as 3-2-1.

P.S. Looks like we lost all of those invisible members that sit and sit here. Dinner time, I suppose. Turkey, that is. (Dinnertime, for V.)

[OneHitWonder]

Anybody here making any money, tonight? While the others of us rest and enjoy the holiday? "Whisper words of wisdom, let it be."

P.S. Well, it beats talking about what actually happened seven or twenty years ago in some dumb casino.

P.P.S. Perhaps, everyone is at the Wizard's. But, how long does anyone here think that would have lasted were people allowed to post freely? I give it "two seconds". As Twain wrote, loosely, "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble, but what we think we know that just ain't so."

P.P.P.S. Someone pass me another popsicle. This is fun. "Goin' through the jazz, man, in my mind." Now I know how Mickey feels. "The community reels when one man feels."

P.P.P.P.S. Perhaps there is a God, after all? Such idiocy, surely, can't exist on its own. And 6*6*6 + 6(6+6+6) = 324.

And then, there was one. Come on guys, tell me how smart you are.

[RS__]

The rolls that count are those done in the casino. The results of those rolls were duly recorded each and every time. The specifics within those rolls--not a chance. Why would you record each roll and lose your rhythm? Just makes no sense. But each and every "roll"--meaning from getting the dice until 7ing- out was duly recorded. That is done for and required by our friends at the IRS.

IRS doesn't require a "play by play", only a win/loss amount for a gaming day.

I don't care about nor am asking about the money won or lost on a given roll (get dice -> 7 out), but the frequency or probability of hitting each number per individual toss of the dice.

I don't know about you, but if I were into DI, I would have a practice partner who would help during the practice, like move the dice, record rolls, etc.


"The rolls that count are those done in the casino." LOL, I can't even take you seriously anymore.

[OneHitWonder]

"The rolls that count are those done in the casino." LOL, I can't even take you seriously anymore.

Years ago, there was a so-called doctor who signed up for course after course about baccarat. Another "serious" guy just couldn't get it out of his head. The BacDoctor, lol. Just couldn't get it out of his head. I knew that singer regnis was a goner when he wrote that he believes Singer believes. That should be the first question in any psychological evaluation. Forget the stereotypical fancy pictures of ink blotches.

[redietz]

Anybody here making any money, tonight? While the others of us rest and enjoy the holiday? "Whisper words of wisdom, let it be."

P.S. Well, it beats talking about what actually happened seven or twenty years ago in some dumb casino.

P.P.S. Perhaps, everyone is at the Wizard's. But, how long does anyone here think that would have lasted were people allowed to post freely? I give it "two seconds". As Twain wrote, loosely, "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble, but what we think we know that just ain't so."

P.P.P.S. Someone pass me another popsicle. This is fun. "Goin' through the jazz, man, in my mind." Now I know how Mickey feels. "The community reels when one man feels."

P.P.P.P.S. Perhaps there is a God, after all? Such idiocy, surely, can't exist on its own. And 6*6*6 + 6(6+6+6) = 324.

And then, there was one. Come on guys, tell me how smart you are.

I'm not sure how smart I am, but my girlfriend just went on a 20-4 game, 75-9 unit run in the Linemasters Contest to take over first place with a 49-23 ATS record. Next week is the last, and she has a shot to win the overall and to win the "final five week" portion of the contest, also. It has been an impressive thing to watch, as contestants are forced to take and rank six games each week so it has "forced choice" elements to it.

One of the best seasons I've seen from anyone ever, going back 40 years.

[regnis]

Anybody here making any money, tonight? While the others of us rest and enjoy the holiday? "Whisper words of wisdom, let it be."

P.S. Well, it beats talking about what actually happened seven or twenty years ago in some dumb casino.

P.P.S. Perhaps, everyone is at the Wizard's. But, how long does anyone here think that would have lasted were people allowed to post freely? I give it "two seconds". As Twain wrote, loosely, "It's not what we don't know that gets us into trouble, but what we think we know that just ain't so."

P.P.P.S. Someone pass me another popsicle. This is fun. "Goin' through the jazz, man, in my mind." Now I know how Mickey feels. "The community reels when one man feels."

P.P.P.P.S. Perhaps there is a God, after all? Such idiocy, surely, can't exist on its own. And 6*6*6 + 6(6+6+6) = 324.

And then, there was one. Come on guys, tell me how smart you are.

I'm not sure how smart I am, but my girlfriend just went on a 20-4 game, 75-9 unit run in the Linemasters Contest to take over first place with a 49-23 ATS record. Next week is the last, and she has a shot to win the overall and to win the "final five week" portion of the contest, also. It has been an impressive thing to watch, as contestants are forced to take and rank six games each week so it has "forced choice" elements to it.

One of the best seasons I've seen from anyone ever, going back 40 years.

Great job --congrats to her. And I'm not even going to ask what her edge is.

[redietz]

LOL -- her edge is that she knows what she's doing. My "edge" is a 30-year-old machete I keep in the trunk of my car for people who ask what my edge is.

[regnis]

Smile!!

[Biloxi Bill]

From a guy who couldn't spell worth potatoes, ha.

Ooooh, a spelling critic.

Curious, I checked out this clown's posts.

His SECOND post on this forum has a classic spelling error.

see:

====================

05-07-2015, 09:54 AM
Thread: Question for Math/Gambling/Craps Experts
by OneHitWonder

"As far as I understand your apparently unique... "

====================

It's "you're" not "your."

Trolls who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

ha

The word 'your' is the correct word in that spot. Please include a link when posting such trivia, or, at least, don't garble stuff of others.

"As far as I understand your apparently unique position: there is one die to show a two, either one; hence the other one will show a 2 one-sixth of the time. If you follow my earlier argument - about there being no question or matter of any chance of both dies showing a 2 when the initially read-looked at die does not show a 2, ..."

P.S. I do recall having made a few typos from time to time. I misspelled voyeur, a while back, too, which, ironically, is sort of what you seem to be about. It was an obvious typo, so I left it. Not to mention that you have made a few spelling errors of your own. Like millennium, which has two n's. But I saw no reason to point it out. You are no Dan Quayle, haha. Just a "neighbor boy" across the gambling forums.

P.P.S. Some book says not to add a slap when berating others. Now, I see the reason.

Sorry to say, this site was alot better and more interesting with Singer and Blacksoul here....didn`t particularly care for either of them, but they were both far more interesting than these 2 asswads above^^^^^^^^^^

[OneHitWonder]

Ooooh, a spelling critic.

Curious, I checked out this clown's posts.

His SECOND post on this forum has a classic spelling error.

see:

====================

05-07-2015, 09:54 AM
Thread: Question for Math/Gambling/Craps Experts
by OneHitWonder

"As far as I understand your apparently unique... "

====================

It's "you're" not "your."

Trolls who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

ha

The word 'your' is the correct word in that spot. Please include a link when posting such trivia, or, at least, don't garble stuff of others.

"As far as I understand your apparently unique position: there is one die to show a two, either one; hence the other one will show a 2 one-sixth of the time. If you follow my earlier argument - about there being no question or matter of any chance of both dies showing a 2 when the initially read-looked at die does not show a 2, ..."

P.S. I do recall having made a few typos from time to time. I misspelled voyeur, a while back, too, which, ironically, is sort of what you seem to be about. It was an obvious typo, so I left it. Not to mention that you have made a few spelling errors of your own. Like millennium, which has two n's. But I saw no reason to point it out. You are no Dan Quayle, haha. Just a "neighbor boy" across the gambling forums.

P.P.S. Some book says not to add a slap when berating others. Now, I see the reason.

Sorry to say, this site was alot better and more interesting with Singer and Blacksoul here....didn`t particularly care for either of them, but they were both far more interesting than these 2 asswads above^^^^^^^^^^

Hehehe, I'm all out of something to say. But, they say that hate is the first step to a lasting love.

P.S. The interesting thing about V's spelling of millennium is that he did it at least twice, so no typo. Years ago, I had hired a lawyer, and had to correct his spelling. Lol. (He was an American lawyer who came to work in Windsor, Canada.)

[OneHitWonder]

Well, it looks like we lost voyeur V, with the self deletion of his last heavy handed post here. Some persons just slink away into the gloomy sunset of atheism at The Penalty Box, and the parent site the Wizard's? Gee, Bill is rid of at least one of us.

[Travis McGee]

When AxelWolf tried to buy this forum from me we had yet another discussion about dice influence and could it be proven.

Here's my final cell phone text to Axel on the subject which I think should end the debate:

"Tell the guys on the WOV forum that dice influencing cannot be proven unless someone slides the dice. DI only tries to limit rotation. Dice sliding is the only true control and 100% influence and it's not legal. It makes no sense to demand proof because none exists."

This is a completely incorrect premise according to Koganinja's Evolution Throw. On page 11 of his Evolution Throw manual, he discusses with dice how "Rotation Cancels Gravity Theory" and references his 1st video (EVOLUTION Throw Part 1 The Theory) at minute marker 01:13:51 where he describes the key to a true influenced dice throw is more rotation. Reference Link Evolution Throw

[MisterV]

I am no DI fan, but conceptually isn't the aim to keep them on axis as opposed to minimizing rotation?

[regnis]

Mr. V-I tried to minimize rotation most of the time with the hope that that would keep them on axis. However, if trying for certain numbers(not really recommended), the height and number of rotations were changed.

[LarryS]

Ihave read the first few pages so maybe my comment is a duplicate. I think the real proof that DI does not work is that the casinos allow it. A very very small percentage of BJ players are card counters and a small percentage of them are successful card counters....yet the casinos privately outlaw it. So even if a very small percentage of craps players were successful at DI...they would easily outlaw it.
Its not rocket science. Just tell people to put the dice in a cupped hand and toss them. That would save them money over the years.
But yet they dont. They have the dollars to research it.

you think these multibillion dollar casinos havent looked at DI inside out. Every angle of it. Every nuance. Data they collect at tables. They hire experts, they share info among other multibillion dollar casinos.....and they come to the conclusion that a dice setter can have a good day at the tables, just like a random dice thrower does without setting.
If casinos thought they were losing an extra penny from DI...they would easily eliminate setting dice as an option at the tables.

I hear about people who buy craps tables and practice in their basement....but then what....they go to casinos where there are factors that cause a minute change in the throe, in the keeping dice on axis,.....height if the table, thickness f the carpet your stand on, spring of the felt, configuration of the back wall, length of the table, distraction of people around you, a stick man that wont move out of the way causing a slight change in arc,....all alot different than the well controlled environment of your basement..not to mention slight difference in the weight of dice or size....enough to just make a micrometer difference in your expected action of the dice....and causing a difference in resuts of thelanding.

I wouldnt be surprised if these multibillion dollar casinos enlisted physics experts to break down the probabilities of control of the dice occuring,

I never under estimate the casinos as being sooo soooo stupid that they cant see DI really works. They hire smart people, and share info amiongst each other at conventions and seminars......and are quite up to snuff on the things going on in their establishments.