The final word on proving Dice Influencing

[MisterV]

The casinos do recognize one possible craps AP: the dead cat bounce.

They want the dice to hit the rubber on the wall past the landing spot in order to prevent it.

Some crapsters say they were barred from shooting if, after receiving such an admonishment, the dice did not hit the wall.

It seems to make sense: I can conceptualize how the dead cat bounce, properly mastered / executed, could provide an advantage.

Like card counting it is not cheating, just privately prohibited by the casinos to ensure the integrity of the game.

[LarryS]

that has little to do with DI as we talk about it today, with dice being "on axis" and such. they just want a fair random roll fpr them and the players. That rule was around before all the "axis' CRAP AND THE 1000 dollar seminars.And it prevents intentional and unintentional rolls of 2 feet down the table, where whatever the result, patrons will complain based on what side of the dice they bet on. Its for a fair game, and if it hits the back wall consistently everyone at the table accepts the result.

its a rule thats unevenly enforced though

I have never seen a die not reach a back wall, while rolling a 7-out.....and have someone question that the roll was invalid.If that happened I wonder what the staff would say.

yes that rule you mention prevented dice infuencing by sliding and such. But the industry today revolving around Di is different. Its seminars that collect alot of money from people to teach them how to get an advantage by throwing the dice legally. And it remains a legal throw.....because obviously the casinos see no advantage to the player. No advantage at all....not because of their stupidity or blindness....but out of research and reality.

And on any board i have read about DI, and had people complain that they took a seminar and cant duplicate the expected results.....they are told by other wise DIers..that they need to buy their own table and practice for hundreds or thousands of hours to perfect their throw and perfect the results. Of course this was never told to them as money was passing hands in paying for the seminar. That bit of info is not in the advertising flyers.

[Alan Mendelson]

Craps is a simple game. The requirements for a valid role are also simple:

Dice must fly in the air.
Dice must hit the table surface at least once.
Dice must hit the back wall.

There is no rule against setting dice.

That's how the NGC views the game.

[LarryS]

exactly.....the proof that DI doesnt work......or else there would be a rule against setting

[Alan Mendelson]

As a matter of fact the NGC has no problem with dice setting or any kind of controlled throw AS LONG AS the three conditions are met. As I was told for a news story on KCAL the NGC says players are expected to try to win and the casino gives them the opportunity to try to win by giving the players the dice.

[LarryS]

funny and naive

yes the altruistic casino that internally outlaw card counting because it can give the player an advantage, views DI as just a technique that a customer used to try to win more money. All the general public wants to do is win more money, so why should we the casino stand in their way.

why should we decrease the winning percentage on slots, why should we dissallow card counting, because after all the customers just want to win more money.

[RS__]

LarryS is here?

[MisterV]

As a matter of fact the NGC has no problem with dice setting or any kind of controlled throw AS LONG AS the three conditions are met. As I was told for a news story on KCAL the NGC says players are expected to try to win and the casino gives them the opportunity to try to win by giving the players the dice.

Ah, but I believe you reported that some strip casinos view things a bit differently.

Didn't you recently say something to the effect that the dice were taken from you because you were setting the dice and winning?

Maybe I got the facts a bit confused, but I thought that was the jist of what you said.

[LarryS]

i have seen the dice taken away because they were thrown too high,,,,was told they had to be eye level of the stick man......and yes the tosser was wnning......hitting the back wall...but still.. If it was all about giving the customer a fair chance to win.....the dice would not have been passed over.

the casino can call off any roll they want if the dice dont hit the back wall....and they can let it stand ...its all so very arbitrary.

And if DI was a proven fact...or even a believable occurrence it is easy to ban overnight. Yet most casinos silently say.. bring us your huddled masses of DIs....they are welcome here. Asking a winning DI player to stop setting the dice inferring that the setting was causing winning, is just as valid as asking a woman winning shooter to remove her vagina.

[MisterV]

Asking a winning DI player to stop setting the dice inferring that the setting was causing winning, is just as valid as asking a woman winning shooter to remove her vagina.

Women gamble with their vaginas all the time.

Some times it's in play, some times it's not.

Funny thing is, a lot of guys think they've "hit the jackpot" only to soon discover that they're the ones paying out for 18 years, not the casino.

Wicked world.

[LarryS]

thats funny....and true

[kewlJ]

I don't know anything about Dice influencing. I have never played craps. Not a single roll or spin or whatever it's called. So I don't have an opinion on Dice influence. I don't have an opinion on anything in craps except if it is something that the math says is impossible....ummm....Alan.

But let's say, dice influencing is possible. I am assuming those good at it would be players that are expert in handling dice. OR maybe someone expert in handling testicles. Maybe a professional ball washer, like a male nurse might just have the skill needed. Just thinking out loud here.

[MisterV]

But let's say, dice influencing is possible. I am assuming those good at it would be players that are expert in handling dice. OR maybe someone expert in handling testicles. Maybe a professional ball washer, like a male nurse might just have the skill needed. Just thinking out loud here.

Ewwww, gross!

Keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself, please.

You said it was "cool," then immediately deleted it.

TMI, for sure!

[LarryS]

I agree...if he wants to insert himself into a conversation about DI while describing homosexual acts..it does seem out of place. Just because he likes to put you know what..you know where....doesnt mean he can stick it in our faces any chance he gets.

[kewlJ]

Nobody said anything about homosexual acts. That is you two thinking whatever you are thinking. I was referring to a medical professional who's regular duties require some dexterity of the hands and fingers. I am just wondering if that can be beneficially transferred to rolling the dice.

[regnis]

I never found playing with myself improved my dice control--and god knows I tried.

[kewlJ]

I never found playing with myself improved my dice control--and god knows I tried.

Ok then. There we have it. I was just "pondering" the possibility. Looking for an advantage.

[regnis]

Seriously. One strength was that my hand never shook no matter how deep the roll went and how much money was involved. A steady hand is an absolute requirement. You too often see people who's hands start to shake as the roll gets serious.

[MisterV]

I never found playing with myself improved my dice control--and god knows I tried.

Maybe not, but did it help with your dick control?

[kewlJ]

Maybe not, but did it help with your dick control?

Oh... and I'm gross? Hypocrite!