The final word on proving Dice Influencing

[Alan Mendelson]

As a matter of fact the NGC has no problem with dice setting or any kind of controlled throw AS LONG AS the three conditions are met. As I was told for a news story on KCAL the NGC says players are expected to try to win and the casino gives them the opportunity to try to win by giving the players the dice.

Ah, but I believe you reported that some strip casinos view things a bit differently.

Didn't you recently say something to the effect that the dice were taken from you because you were setting the dice and winning?

Maybe I got the facts a bit confused, but I thought that was the jist of what you said.

Yes. Three casinos gave me trouble for setting, using a controlled throw and winning. NYNY told me to leave. MGM said I couldn't throw the dice anymore. But Bellagio management later apologized for the trouble I had there with two separate crews.

There is no law against card counting but casinos have a right to decide who they will allow to gamble. They can also decide who can play craps or even video poker. That right has nothing to do with the NGC's ruling on how the game is played.

[Alan Mendelson]

Seriously. One strength was that my hand never shook no matter how deep the roll went and how much money was involved. A steady hand is an absolute requirement. You too often see people who's hands start to shake as the roll gets serious.

My hands shake now from the anti rejection drugs I take. And when my roll is going well and chips are stacked up I get incredibly nervous. I found a solution: I reduce my bets.

My goal when I play now is to hit the ALL bet. I'd be very happy hitting the ALL even with minimal bets on the table.

[regnis]

Alan-breathing exercises and a set routine will control the shakes when you get nervous. I was pretty much like a guy shooting free throws. Same routine, deep breaths, let muscle memory take over.

[LarryS]

As a matter of fact the NGC has no problem with dice setting or any kind of controlled throw AS LONG AS the three conditions are met. As I was told for a news story on KCAL the NGC says players are expected to try to win and the casino gives them the opportunity to try to win by giving the players the dice.

Ah, but I believe you reported that some strip casinos view things a bit differently.

Didn't you recently say something to the effect that the dice were taken from you because you were setting the dice and winning?

Maybe I got the facts a bit confused, but I thought that was the jist of what you said.

Yes. Three casinos gave me trouble for setting, using a controlled throw and winning. NYNY told me to leave. MGM said I couldn't throw the dice anymore. But Bellagio management later apologized for the trouble I had there with two separate crews.

There is no law against card counting but casinos have a right to decide who they will allow to gamble. They can also decide who can play craps or even video poker. That right has nothing to do with the NGC's ruling on how the game is played.

Alan, you keep mentioning the NGC as if they operate in a vacuum . The NGC is highly influenced by the big casinos. If all the casinos got together and told the NGC that the setting of dice is slowing down the game, and it would be impractical to have a timer for each shooter, it would be in the best interest of the players who get impatient with these slow setters, and the casinos who lose money from a slow game....to dissallow setting. It would be approved in a new york minute. If they thought dice setting was losing them money....they would approach the NGC with the "for the good of the game" slant to it. The time issue. They would have video of people(usually oldtimers) that turn the die on 5 sides before they find the side they want facing up, then does the same searching for the proper face, thenputting the die together, going through a ritual like sliding them back and forth 3 times, or moving them around in circles around their stack of chips, then tapping them 3 times on the felt, then throwing them short of the wall for a "noroll"...and it starts all over. They can make it about setting the dice...not about DI....if they really felt DI;s were bleeding them.

And the agency would go along with them no doubt.....for the greater good of the game.

[Travis McGee]

Craps is a simple game. The requirements for a valid role are also simple:

Dice must fly in the air.
Dice must hit the table surface at least once.
Dice must hit the back wall.

There is no rule against setting dice.

That's how the NGC views the game.

I don't believe there are any NGC rules for a valid "roll" as you mention in your post. If so, please enlighten me with the proper Nevada regulatory cite. My experience is that Craps rules vary by casino and by crew in Nevada as you have found out.

[Travis McGee]

I am no DI fan, but conceptually isn't the aim to keep them on axis as opposed to minimizing rotation?

No, not necessarily. I can influence the dice better than Frank Scoblete, Howard Rock n Roller, and Dominator all by using an Off axis toss. And I am willing to bet I have hit more All, Tall, Small bets than Alan Mendelson has, all by using the Off axis toss to snipe the desired numbers.

When AxelWolf tried to buy this forum from me we had yet another discussion about dice influence and could it be proven.

Here's my final cell phone text to Axel on the subject which I think should end the debate:

"Tell the guys on the WOV forum that dice influencing cannot be proven unless someone slides the dice. DI only tries to limit rotation. Dice sliding is the only true control and 100% influence and it's not legal. It makes no sense to demand proof because none exists."

This is a completely incorrect premise according to Koganinja's Evolution Throw. On page 11 of his Evolution Throw manual, he discusses with dice how "Rotation Cancels Gravity Theory" and references his 1st video (EVOLUTION Throw Part 1 The Theory) at minute marker 01:13:51 where he describes the key to a true influenced dice throw is more rotation. Reference Link Evolution Throw

[Alan Mendelson]

Travis if you are that good of a shooter I will meet up with you and bet WITH YOU. I won't bet against you. When and where?

[mickeycrimm]

Some casinos used to set their Full Pay Deuces Wild to the slowest speed to combat AP's playing perfect strategy. All the other video pokers would be faster speed.

[Travis McGee]

Some casinos used to set their Full Pay Deuces Wild to the slowest speed to combat AP's playing perfect strategy. All the other video pokers would be faster speed.

mickeycrimm, Exactly, this is the kind of chess play you are dealing with in playing against a machine aka computer.

Travis if you are that good of a shooter I will meet up with you and bet WITH YOU. I won't bet against you. When and where?

Alan, I appreciate the offer. However, I doubt you can afford me. If you are serious, PM me for details.

[MisterV]

Alan, I appreciate the offer. However, I doubt you can afford me. If you are serious, PM me for details.

"Afford" you?

Huh?

He'd pay you nothing, that isn't the point.

He's offering to meet up with you in a Las Vegas casino in order to see if you really are a bona fide DI or just another bullshit artist.

Alan reports having seen three real DI's, aka "the three wise men," but they weren't away in a manger.

[Alan Mendelson]

MisterV is correct. I have seen only three people who I think are true DIs who have the real ability. Maybe there was a fourth but I didn't see enough of his rolls to be convinced. I've gone thru all the DI and DC BS since it started in the mid 1990s. There's a lot of talk. But few can really do. Even the so called DI pros haven't impressed me and that includes Sharpshooter and I watched him closely.

I do think DI is possible but only to limited degrees for most of us. But I'm convinced that only those three I saw actually have the skill.

Personally I try. I see no reason not to try.

[LarryS]

great percentage considering the thousands that have taken DI courses over the last 25 years

but in the end,,,,,buyer beware.

But then again,....anyone can have a few great rolls in my presence....does that mean I believe their claim that the success is because they throw dice some dopey way, or they wear a condom at the table, or they only drink black russians when throwing. Who the heck knows, unless I have watched hundreds of hours ans charted the wins and losses. 5, 10, 20, 30 hours tell me nothing. Nothing at all about their long run success.
Anecdotal stories do not make DI a real option for consistent wins.

So Allen, how many hundred hours have you witnessed the 3 wise men individually to draw your conclusions.

[MisterV]

People need something to believe in.

Believing that you can influence the dice is no less ridiculous than worshiping the god of your choice.

[Travis McGee]

Alan, I appreciate the offer. However, I doubt you can afford me. If you are serious, PM me for details.

"Afford" you?

Huh?

He'd pay you nothing, that isn't the point.

He's offering to meet up with you in a Las Vegas casino in order to see if you really are a bona fide DI or just another bullshit artist.

MisterV, you are funny. Can you name 1 professional on this planet that provides their free services for someone else so they can make money? (other than occasional pro bono) I have seen Alan lose at craps at Caesars Palace. Not a big deal, we all lose occasionally. Alan tries hard from SR1, but his throw and mechanics are untrained or poorly trained. The casinos depend on this. They love players like Alan, and so do I. Someone has to pay for the light bills.

Like any architect or doctor, I have invested as many years and money learning and training for my craft. No lawyer or plumber would work for Alan for free and neither would I. I have nothing to prove and certainly don't do it for free.

[Alan Mendelson]

You obviously don't see me at Caesars, Travis. I stand at SL1.

[Travis McGee]

You obviously don't see me at Caesars, Travis. I stand at SL1.

Then you my friend have had a twin playing at SR1 at Caesars, and they bought in for a $1000. using your Line of Credit and CET Players Card


EDIT: Alan, I will edit to remove your very public picture if you wish.

[Alan Mendelson]

Wrong again. My buy ins are not $1000.

There's no need to remove that photo. It's all over the Internet.

Edited to add: in fact that photo shows first in Google search results.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan...iw=360&bih=559

[Travis McGee]

You obviously don't see me at Caesars, Travis. I stand at SL1.

Alan, If you are right-handed?, why do you throw from SL1?

[Alan Mendelson]

Never read Sharpshooter's book? It's the natural arc swing of left to right.

If you want to learn more... my fee is... oh never mind you can't afford my fee. LOL

[MisterV]

MisterV, you are funny. Can you name 1 professional on this planet that provides their free services for someone else so they can make money? ... No lawyer or plumber would work for Alan for free and neither would I. I have nothing to prove and certainly don't do it for free.

My oh my, but someone sure has a high opinion of themselves.

Alan doesn't want you to teach him anything, Travis; he only wants to watch you handle yourself at a craps table in order to see if you are a bonafide DI or just another dice setting bullshit artist.

Sorry Travis, you've been debunked, demoted and defrocked.