If you don't know, then first you explain why you keep saying it's a lot of BS and work.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
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If you don't know, then first you explain why you keep saying it's a lot of BS and work.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
C'mon man, it was 3 whole sentences. What do think he is...a bookworm?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Yeah, you're killing it, baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfLet me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?
I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.
I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.
Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:
1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.
I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.
Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).
All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.
The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.
You have google. LOL.
I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.
Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?
I would say that he is about even, or maybe up or down a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I would say that you make $20K per week, but not every week.
I did read the 4 months thing. You are saying you can only make money for them 4 months out of the year. Locking up 100k for 4 months MIGHT make them 3k per month. LOL, I could make them 3k a month and I would put up all the money. Want to bet on it? Put your money where your mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfEXPECT to make 10-12 % on your INVESTMENT. You could lose it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
A 100k investor should expect to make 10k to 20k according to him. What is Red's cut of that? 20%? That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.
If you say so.
That is, of course, in four months. Oh wait, Axelwolf didn't read that thing about four months. LOL. He tends to not read carefully. Makes me wonder about his math.
I wonder why he didn't figure that out. Is it the reading comprehension? Is it the nose-in-the-air of the dude who has such a palatial lifestyle after a lifetime of "APing?" Inquiring minds want to know.
Without compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.
What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.
I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.
I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.
Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?
Show me the money.
Lol Goodluck. We've all tried this approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfLet me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?
I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.
I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.
Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:
1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.
I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.
Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).
All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.
The best he has is to tell you to research stuff that doesn't exist.
Then ridicule you when you waste the time looking for it.
The above is the real redietz playbook.
And if we were to ask what would be the motivation to go beyond google you'll sit back and open that big box of Crickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYeah, you're killing it, baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfLet me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).
All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.
The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.
You have google. LOL.
I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.
Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?
It is far far easier to get higher returns on smaller amounts of money. That should be very very obvious.....Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWithout compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.
What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.
I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.
I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.
Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?
Show me the money.
Redietz has stated and shown that he doesn’t divulge his picks pre game. He would have the problems of a client passing the picks on to others which he will not get paid for….and line moves caused by the extra action.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou're assuming that what was written on that site applied to every client.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's likely that info only applied to prospective clients.
I recall him writing about giving clients plays on the phone, and they would bet on their own, with a local book or whatever.
Sometimes the client wouldn't pull the trigger.
No I didn’t assume anything. Just stated what he wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou're assuming that what was written on that site applied to every client.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's likely that info only applied to prospective clients.
I recall him writing about giving clients plays on the phone, and they would bet on their own, with a local book or whatever.
Sometimes the client wouldn't pull the trigger.
Redietz was so computer illiterate he didn’t know how to post a link on VCT until a few years ago I taught him how to do it. Now he thinks he can bamboozle everyone about his computer knowledge. Pretty lame there redietz.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYeah, you're killing it, baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfLet me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).
All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.
The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.
You have google. LOL.
I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.
Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?
“Professional Gambler” is an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Nowadays digital computers are analyzing sporting event. They put out hard numbers, not opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyQuote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
When you quantify something, you're putting it in numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You can record and count opinions and the results, but you cannot quantify an opinion before a result is registered, unless that quantity is 1.
I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I think that theory is based on saturation...law of large numbers and diminishing returns, or something along those lines.
Do you suppose that Axel can achieve that rate of return by investing $100K with multiple players, say 20 players per month?
How about redietz, can he achieve that rate of return for 20 clients investing $100K with him?
He doesn't divulge them on VCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Once he gets his action down, will line moves affect the lines on his tickets?
You did? He says you misquoted what he wrote on the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The website says this...."For monthly or seasonal fees, we provide our official lineup of college and NFL investment recommendations. Since Mr. Dietz spends most of the football season in Las Vegas, he is also available for direct hands-on investing for clients."Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I don't see anything about having to deliver money to him, or that clients can't make their own bets.
Do those hard numbers include EV on opinions?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Do they include advice, or do the advisors use the numbers to formulate their advice?
Do they compare the hard numbers to the results, in order to calculate the EV for future wagers?
For example, the expected value of making wagers based on the computer numbers, when the computer numbers deviate from the posted odds?
I have no idea but larger edges for larger amounts attract the sophisticated people. They'll never bother will smaller amounts. Comparing anything gambling related to buffet is naive at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI see.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I think that theory is based on saturation...law of large numbers and diminishing returns, or something along those lines.
Do you suppose that Axel can achieve that rate of return by investing $100K with multiple players, say 20 players per month?
How about redietz, can he achieve that rate of return for 20 clients investing $100K with him?
If Ditz bets his money first it can cause the line to move before the client can get his money down. If Ditz tells the client -6 but ditz, betting before giving the number to the client, action moved the line to -6.5 the client is either fucked out of half a point or doesn’t bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHe doesn't divulge them on VCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Once he gets his action down, will line moves affect the lines on his tickets?
PS that’s a great moniker you gave redietz, the Ditz. Hahaha.
For me, the thing is that at least for most of my time on this forum, Redietz presented himself as a 40 year winning sports bettor. A sports handicapper that picked winners at a rate good enough to overcome the vig and be a consistent winner. I found that impressive.
But it turns out he was more of what I call a sports betting "tout". One of those many guys who makes their money selling their picks and "services".
Nothing illegal or anything, just not what I believe he presented himself as. A heck of a lot less impressive to me.
And this calls into question the 57% winners to me. That is a number he used to try to sell his service. I know he has some documentation for different years and contests that he did well (dating back to "the package" he mailed Alan). Well who knows what is cherry picked and what poorer years and contest were left out of this 57% number.
Like I said, if someone could really pick 57% winners consistently, they would be spending their time getting bets in, not trying to figure out how to gain new customers for their tout service. :rolleyes: But that is just me.
WEAK LINES(LOL) YOU FOOL THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionThis isn't always the case. There were some very valid pick services recently (5ish years) but they were more based on props which had weak lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
It is also very hard to get in enough action. Having your clients bet for you alleviates that. It takes a pretty big bankroll to make much sports betting. The edges aren't particularly big but more importantly the frequency of positive wagers isn't very high.
Anyway not that I particularly disagree with you but throwing in my 2 cents.
According to Red, that is.
What programs?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzFor the record, Axel is welcome on any program on which I appear so he can debunk me. Same with Mr. Crimm.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIt’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Don't disappoint me, Mr. Crimm.
What is it you think I'm trying to debunk?
I have no clue if you are a winning sports bettor or not.
I take issue with the fact that you think that one needs to be a handicapping guru to make a living betting sports.
I take issue with many of the asinine things you say about Advantage Players in general.
I take issue with the fact that you scold people for using commonly used terminology when talking about sports.
I take issue with you calling people scumbags for multi-accounting "friends and family" bonus money.
Unless you're taking 10% or less of the sign-up bonuses signing friends and family up for sports betting accounts, you are exploiting them because you could certainly spend an hour explaining how they could do it themselves without you taking a cut. That is, if they are indeed "friends and family." The excuse that they don't want to bother is asinine or that it's too difficult to explain to "non-APs." Taking other people's bonus money, unless you know for a fact that they will have bonus money available to them in the future should they decide to deposit more, is indeed a scumbag move. Why are you depriving "friends and family" of the opportunity to make money (the way you do)?
Then there's the fact that every time you do something like the multi-accounting just for bonuses, you give the sports books reason to reduce or limit bonuses going forward for everyone else. Plus the fact you monopolize the bonus distributions means that you are trying, in essence, to put books out of business. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but a bettor with access to 20 books will do better than someone with access to 10. So by relying on this bonus exploitation as your fallback move, you are damaging the bottom lines of actual sports bettors, recreational and serious.
I'm sure you have a long list of "APs" who make a "living betting sports." Pardon me while I gag myself with a spoon. You really should stop with high-falutin' Leonardo Da AP fairy tales.
Plus there is the fact that when people have researched redietz indepth - all that is found is a delinquent tax bill.
Only a cursory examination of UNKewlJ unearths 37 lies (and counting).
Why aren't you at the fake baccarat tables?
He will get to that when he’s done with his fake law practice and polishing his fake “timepieces”…..first things first tho. He’s gotta finish tugging on his tiny Saudi pud while he obsesses more about KJQuote:
Originally Posted by jdaewoo
We went over this before. Often, those people won't touch online gambling with a ten-foot pole no matter how good it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I have tried, oh I have tried until I have been blue in the face.
There is one guy I know right now who has been a poker and backgammon player since before I was even old enough to gamble, he knows and understands AP, and he even worked for a sports book at one time. He isn't rich by any means, he does ok, but he could definitely use the extra income. The online bonuses are perfect for him as he is basically retired other than playing poker from time to time.
I have been trying for years to get him into the online bonuses. I sat him down with our laptops, I showed him exactly how to do it, I showed him records, and even went through the process from start to finish. Him " This looks really good, I see the potential, Ill let you know, I'm just not that interested right now"
Just the other day he was telling me how he needs to get off his ass and make some money. He even asked me if there were any casinos I needed him to get some cards at. I said, not right now. I brought up the online casino bonuses again, but he said he didn't want to get into it at this point in his life.
I had taught my father how to do some online casino bonuses back in the day when it was super low roller over like 1x. With my help, he ran a few accounts up fairly high and he was all excited. But then he got pissed off they didn't send him the money ASAP, and they wanted him to jump through hoops to get his winnings(I told him that was going to be the case). He even got super pissed off at me because I told him to calm down after he yelled at the casino support team over the phone. He has never touched an online casino since.
Introducing some people to the world of online gambling and sports betting may not be a good idea no matter how good your intentions are. Point in case, Tasha/Karen/Nathan loves to gamble but she is often broke she should not be using her own money to play -EV games. I told her multiple times over the years she could be gambling for free and money doing it.
After I mentioned it last time, I set out to prove it could be done. Sure enough, I got super duper fucking lucky. I posted up some details including screenshots of my account, a jackpot, and some results of what I was able to do with a FREE bonus chip. I had multiple people including herself say it wasn't a good idea to introduce her to the world of online bonus gambling(free or not), it's just too risky. She already fucked somthing up BTC and incurred overdraft charges over a $100 loan.
No matter how easy or lucrative it might be I have many examples of people who are not just cut out for it.
I have no clue what you are trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWithout compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.
What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.
I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.
I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.
Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?
Show me the money.
I was addressing Red, not you. If he wants to make a wager on whether I can or can't do it, we can set it up and have someome trustworthy verify.
Suddenly you think multi-accounting is ok just because some well-known public gamblers have laid claim to doing it, just not multi-accounting for bonuses. LOL, Bro Just LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
If you can beat sports like you claim, all while putting your records and advertising online, taking on investors, touting your guruness, then you too reduce or limit value going forward for everyone else. Lots of what you say is hypocritical at best.
P.S. All you highly educated trollish writers should at least be able to find your terms and words to use. This isn't the first time I noticed you people using my terms, words, or phrases soon after I have.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD WITH YOUR STALKING OF JK. You have multiple threads and forums to do so, you are just adding clutter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Oh yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Well then fuck you, man!
Who put this thing together? Me! That's who!
Just so you should know, I don't have your problem. I always tell the truth, even when I lie.
So say goodnight to the bad guy. It's the last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again.
I'm blocking you, I'm leaving the forum, I'm leaving Las Vegas, leaving on a jet plane, don't know when I'll be back again.
I'm moving to The Villages.
Anybody have Plopkin's address down there?
I'll need to couch surf until I find my own place.
That jew motherfucker, he only exists down there because of me.
That's the only reason, that and the crossword puzzle money his Mothra won.
Just as you're always right, even when you're wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Hello, McFly?
Perhaps, but that was the term used before Advantage Player became popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm“Professional Gambler” is an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
If it takes more than a simple search on Google, it is probably not relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIn his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.
Just for the record: Not hard to look up and quote accurately...if you want to do so.
A quaint little site, but all things considered, I'm proud of it considering when it was posted. No exaggerations, precision in reporting of results, completely accurate and above board.
One thing I worry about is "APs," whose job requires absolute precision, when they are incredibly sloppy at reporting other things. I mean, really, how hard is this to look up? So one gets concerned about their reporting of their own narratives. Obviously this is a very old site (ballpark 1998), so what I was doing in, say, 2015, would not be what I was doing in 1998.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101014...itysports.com/
I don't think "professional gambler" is an oxymoron at all. Maybe 100+ years ago when a professional gambler was someone that moved from town to town with a marked deck of cards and loaded dice in his pocket. But today, what we commonly cause AP's are people that require the knowledge and preparation to play and win.
I don't know everything that you more advanced AP do, but even as a lowly card counter there is a lot of preparation. It isn't just wandering from casino to casino playing. I make it my business to know which casinos tolerate what amounts and which don't. To know which casinos contribute to one or more databases and which don't. (so that a single backoff or other incident of heat doesn't cost multiple casinos). I keep detailed records of my play, noting dealer and pit for each session, so that any "incident", I can avoid that casino and/or certain personnel for a period if I need to. I also have a record of my win at that casino for both the year and lifetime, so I know if I am bumping up against any thresholds that might become problematic. When I go out to play I usually have mapped out just where I want to hit based on all this information. It isn't just "oh I think I will play some blackjack today".
Again, I don't know what other APs do, especially the machine guys, but I assume there is a similar level of preparation. They aren't just winging it.
So with all that is involved with preparation ect, If someone wants to substitute the common advantage player phrase used today for "professional gambler", that is fine. I think most of us that succeed for any length of time, are pretty professional about it
Now expanding to the title of this thread. Professional sports bettor to me, would be a person that bets sports and can win at a rate to overcome the vig. That simple. 57% would more than do so. I thought that is what redietz was or was claiming. But it looks more and more to me that what he is or was, is a professional sports betting tout.
And again, there is nothing wrong with that. Not illegal or anything. But a guy making his money from selling his picks is not a professional sports bettor by definition. What he is doing is marketing or something. Just so happens to involve sports picks.
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I just ran into one that had the same rules about transferring to poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If you dont mind, what casino is that? It looks like the Sports & casino group, but they normally dont have that high of a percentage.
In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."
I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.
Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.
Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."
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Originally Posted by MDawg
V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.
After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.
Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.
If you can support yourself, the only discipline you would need is to always play +EV situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Sorry, but that's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerV, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
https://nitrobetting.eu/merry-money-...e=sendgrid.comQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI just ran into one that had the same rules about transferring to poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayQuote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If you dont mind, what casino is that? It looks like the Sports & casino group, but they normally dont have that high of a percentage.
Still, you're an alcoholic Wolf and that speaks to some kind of addiction in your make up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfSorry, but that's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
it almost goes without saying that Rob is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfSorry, but that's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
If an advantage player/professional gambler walks into a casino and he can't find something +EV, he will walk out without ever placing a wager.
If a degenerate gambler, even one that likes or tries to play at an advantage, walks into a casino and can't find anything +EV to play, he will find something to play. It is about the action for this player. THAT is what makes a degenerate gambler. The need for action. And from Rob's earlier post, he has such a need.
Hey hound, you ever hear "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones?"Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
C'mon man, you're as much a degenerate gambler as anyone on this board, given your claim of staying ("comped:" bwa ha ha ha) and gambling in LV for seven or so months without letup.
Not that there's anything wrong with doing that, it is just a might...Oh, I don't know..."excessive."
Pioneer Woman. I've been to Pawhuska. It has a surprisingly nice little downtown area. The movie, Killers of the Flower Moon is about that area. Home of the Osage Indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerV, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.
After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.
Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.
I didn't quote redietz. I wrote what my memory told me. I was off a little. So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou did? He says you misquoted what he wrote on the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The website says this...."For monthly or seasonal fees, we provide our official lineup of college and NFL investment recommendations. Since Mr. Dietz spends most of the football season in Las Vegas, he is also available for direct hands-on investing for clients."Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I don't see anything about having to deliver money to him, or that clients can't make their own bets.
What you are missing is redietz has said repeatedly that you can't measure EV in sports betting. But there he was on his site claiming he could produce a 10 to 12% earn for clients. He was selling EV to clients. If he truly believed that EV can't be measured, and wanted to be honest/truthful about it, then he would have told them there is no way to measure how much he could make, or not make, for them.
And UNKewlJ is addicted to lying. Can’t help himself can’t stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJit almost goes without saying that Rob is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfSorry, but that's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
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Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Lol you're so wrong. Stop projecting, moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerV, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.
After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.
Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.
And stop your lying, kewl.
The fact is a lot of pros are not degenerates because a real degenerate will shoot off their roll. In poker world they can get loans and if they book it is a bit different. Actually a lot of slot pros are also fairly degenerate. But many of the degenerates are being pumped up by family money too. Funny world the gambling world.
Same here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Ahh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySame here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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You can VPN their casino games to play US-restricted providers' games, but just before you withdraw you should turn your VPN off or (as you found out - like me) it will be rejected. It becomes riskier and riskier to deposit and use the bonus there because each time you want a new bonus you must deposit the amount you withdrew plus enough money to get the next bonus. They were getting very testy with me and I became scared to deposit $1600 (IIRC that was the last withdrawal I had and that was back in November) plus another $500 or whatever for the next 300% bonus, as I got the feeling that they would just take the money. Plus I got contradictory answers. As you saw in the e-mail they say I was ineligible. But in chat, they said I was eligible but I had to put in my last withdrawal amount (plus an additional amount for the deposit bonus [up to $500]). Better safe than sorry IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAhh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySame here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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Assuming they are paying everyone out, I'm not clear on how these guys haven't gone bankrupt.
30x roll D+B most people will lose everything. A handful of smart players isn't going to do much harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayYou can VPN their casino games to play US-restricted providers' games, but just before you withdraw you should turn your VPN off or (as you found out - like me) it will be rejected. It becomes riskier and riskier to deposit and use the bonus there because each time you want a new bonus you must deposit the amount you withdrew plus enough money to get the next bonus. They were getting very testy with me and I became scared to deposit $1600 (IIRC that was the last withdrawal I had and that was back in November) plus another $500 or whatever for the next 300% bonus, as I got the feeling that they would just take the money. Plus I got contradictory answers. As you saw in the e-mail they say I was ineligible. But in chat, they said I was eligible but I had to put in my last withdrawal amount (plus an additional amount for the deposit bonus [up to $500]). Better safe than sorry IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAhh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplaySame here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.
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Assuming they are paying everyone out, I'm not clear on how these guys haven't gone bankrupt.
I have a good friend I told about this place who is playing there now, I feel she will do very well as her first deposit was larger than my test deposit.
Whose going to write the book, Bonus Whoring For Fun And Profit?
I make a little money playing nl25 and Nl50. The nl50 zone poker is about equivalent to playing live nl200 as far as the amount of action one generates. Those games are soft. I like that on Bovada and Ignition (I’m also on Ignition) one is anonymous at the poker table. They can’t use the poker trackers on you. You can’t bum hunt or be the bum hunted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I play the 6-handed zone poker where I’m looking at 200 hands per hour while playing just one table. The pace keeps it interesting. I had to study 6 handed NL to get profitable. But it’s still not serious money. I haven’t made a deposit or withdrawal in over 10 years. I consider Bovada and Ignition to be savings accounts.
I might jump up to nl200 one of these days.
PS Party Poker paid interest for letting your money sit on the site. To bad they had to leave the market.
Well, actually that didn't apply to me. In November, I received what amounted to a 10x promo. For that promo (which I have linked to below), you could choose a Free Rounds option (10x) instead of a Sports Betting option (which had the 30x requirement). So, for example if you deposited $50, you would get $150 worth (300%) of free rounds (if you chose the free rounds option, like I did). As shown below, you could use Nucleus (a gaming software company) American Blackjack on the 150 sticky chip rounds (somewhat disconcerting when you are dealt two Aces and when you try to split it tells you "not enough funds" since you only get a $1 equivalent sticky chip for each round and can't take another chip to use for the split on that round). After the Free Rounds are over, you must wager your winnings from the Free Rounds (say 90% of the $150 in free rounds) 10x on any casino game (LMFAO). So I bet come/don't come on Nucleus Craps to do the 10x turnover and retained close to 100% of that 90%. If I had been confident that I could get my withdrawals out without getting cheated, I would have done this promotion every day possible irrespective of how high the deposit requirement got (since it had to be the same as your last withdrawal amount plus the amount you kick in up to $500 for the next Free Rounds deposit bonus).Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
https://nitrobetting.eu/promotion-bl...300-cash-bonus
Hopefully it is not a lowly AP that writes it - what the heck do we know anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Bonus whoring online poker was a big thing before Black Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayHopefully it is not a lowly AP that writes it - what the heck do we know anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Yes. Luckily with cryptocurrency, sweeps casinos, VPNs, decentralized casinos (No KYC), and so on, it would appear that enough workarounds are now in place to make it not too much more of a hassle than it was just after Black Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmBonus whoring online poker was a big thing before Black Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayHopefully it is not a lowly AP that writes it - what the heck do we know anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I said it before and I will say it again... Bitcoin was the best thing to ever happen to online casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayYes. Luckily with cryptocurrency, sweeps casinos, VPNs, decentralized casinos (No KYC), and so on, it would appear that enough workarounds are now in place to make it not too much more of a hassle than it was just after Black Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmBonus whoring online poker was a big thing before Black Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Sure, there was a "golden age" of the low rollover bonus whoreing, but there were significantly fewer casinos and fewer options for depositing. I must admit, Neteller was the bomb when it came to just using your own accounts, but it was a pain in the ass for multi-accounting. You had to get creative and find different methods that were constantly changing. What may have worked one day may not work the next day.
I tested numerous prepaid gift cards that were rejected before I finally found the black INTERNATIONAL Visa gift cards that worked for some time. Even with that, you had to deal with trustworthy people who would hand you over a check for thousands of dollars, that's not always easy to find.
Yeah, I am sure there are people that were very proficient and found lots of different ways around all the hoops, but when you're also spending a significant amount of time in brick-and-mortar casinos you don't exactly have time to figure out every possibility.
Now with cryptocurrency and the invention of anonymous casinos, you could spend 24/7/365 working and still not even scratch the surface. Sky's the limit depending on your dedication and knowledge.
The times change and technology advances. You have to adapt and find new ways to beat the casinos.
Sure old methods may still work at a snail's pace.
Some people are arrogant and stubborn all while still using their old 1990s methods to handicap, play online, or whatever else they're doing to make money gambling. Meanwhile, some snot-nosed brat comes along with little or no experience and makes 10 times more than they ever have 10 times faster. I understand why guys like Red are infuriated with Advantage Players nowadays.
There is a couple "funny" things about redietz's many comments and reactions about APs and sports betting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayHopefully it is not a lowly AP that writes it - what the heck do we know anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
We read him repeatedly belittle APs that they don't know what they are doing.
We read him say things like, you think I haven't been doing that for years/decades.
Ok, so some of us are doing things he has been doing, then we must know what we are doing. :confused:
And if we have no clue what we are doing, as he repeatedly claims, then what the fuck is he SO bothered about that he keeps coming with all the anti-AP statements?
Something about his angry reaction doesn't add up. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by MickeyCrimm
Yes, I often used Neteller back then. Another pre-Black Friday staple was Ecocard which was very good. And of course many of us on this forum used Western Union and Moneygram (and even now probably for some VCT members).Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The site above doesn't take btc but takes all the others??? Huh? I thought it was expected at casinos by now.
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Originally Posted by kewlJThere is a couple "funny" things about redietz's many comments and reactions about APs and sports betting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayHopefully it is not a lowly AP that writes it - what the heck do we know anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
We read him repeatedly belittle APs that they don't know what they are doing.
We read him say things like, you think I haven't been doing that for years/decades.
Ok, so some of us are doing things he has been doing, then we must know what we are doing. :confused:
And if we have no clue what we are doing, as he repeatedly claims, then what the fuck is he SO bothered about that he keeps coming with all the anti-AP statements?
Something about his angry reaction doesn't add up. :rolleyes:
And if there's one thing coming back from the dead makes you expert in -- it's everything. Because, once you've been to hell and heaven, you know it all.
And again, no direct quotes from the Kewljs, because that won't work.
Let me be crystal clear -- my "belittling (kewlj's word)" of APs has to do with their presuming that "sports betting" is a thing as opposed to betting individual sports. And then having such "general practitioners," so to speak, decide they somehow know better than experts in particular sports. It's ridiculous. Anything APs do in specific sports can be done better by experts in those specific sports. And then you have the multi-account bonus attempts, and people shocked, shocked I tell you, when sports books figure them out and shut them down and occasionally keep their money. And let's not forget my disdain for people recruiting family and friends so those family/friends can provide charity sign-up bonuses for the "APs," which is a helluva way to treat family and friends. Here's a thought -- spend an hour showing people how to get their own sign-up bonuses. If you believe the "APs," no civilian can figure out how to do it, and all civilians are happy to allow others to take most of the money.
Yeah, nothing adds up like coming back from the dead, and arm-breaking adventures, and people giving you player dossiers for no good reason. Yeah, all of those things add up.
The kewlJs need a new schtick.
Oh stop with the coming back from the dead, you bald headed fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThere is a couple "funny" things about redietz's many comments and reactions about APs and sports betting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
We read him repeatedly belittle APs that they don't know what they are doing.
We read him say things like, you think I haven't been doing that for years/decades.
Ok, so some of us are doing things he has been doing, then we must know what we are doing. :confused:
And if we have no clue what we are doing, as he repeatedly claims, then what the fuck is he SO bothered about that he keeps coming with all the anti-AP statements?
Something about his angry reaction doesn't add up. :rolleyes:
And if there's one thing coming back from the dead makes you expert in -- it's everything. Because, once you've been to hell and heaven, you know it all.
And again, no direct quotes from the Kewljs, because that won't work.
Let me be crystal clear -- my "belittling (kewlj's word)" of APs has to do with their presuming that "sports betting" is a thing as opposed to betting individual sports. And then having such "general practitioners," so to speak, decide they somehow know better than experts in particular sports. It's ridiculous. Anything APs do in specific sports can be done better by experts in those specific sports. And then you have the multi-account bonus attempts, and people shocked, shocked I tell you, when sports books figure them out and shut them down and occasionally keep their money. And let's not forget my disdain for people recruiting family and friends so those family/friends can provide charity sign-up bonuses for the "APs," which is a helluva way to treat family and friends. Here's a thought -- spend an hour showing people how to get their own sign-up bonuses. If you believe the "APs," no civilian can figure out how to do it, and all civilians are happy to allow others to take most of the money.
Yeah, nothing adds up like coming back from the dead, and arm-breaking adventures, and people giving you player dossiers for no good reason. Yeah, all of those things add up.
The kewlJs need a new schtick.
I will re-ask the question I asked before and didn't get an answer to: Where has anyone said they know better than some expert single sport handicapper, if that is what you are? Where? Show me where one of us AP's said that? :confused:
Looks to me that you are just insecure that some AP's are able to make some monet doing anything with sports betting. It always comes down to someone on these forums being insecure. :rolleyes:
It is cold in Vegas right now. Bring a damn hat so as not to freeze your bald head and what remaining brain cells you have left.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
When she was hijacking every thread, Tasha was thread and post restricted. When singer was re-instated after he was banned for bigoted/racist comments, he was supposedly limited to 1 thread. (Never enforced).
Shouldn't this sand nigger, who hijacks EVERY thread with his compulsive stalking at the very least be limited to a thread or two? He can never post anything on actual topic. Just KJ obsession. He really should be put in his own little box/cage. Let him have one thread for his obsessive stalking. Call it "fake lawyer's KJ obsession adventure".
[QUOTE=kewlJ;187997]Shouldn't this sand nigger, who hijacks EVERY thread with his compulsive stalking at the very least be limited to a thread or two? /QUOTE]
Give him the axe, the axe, the axe.
[QUOTE=MisterV;188005]Won’t matter. Habib posts at like 10 other forums all day long. Busy guy that he isQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The post pertaining to the site above was meant as a nostalgic trip to the earlier days of internet casinos (which started in the late 90's) that Axelwolf was referring to - when Neteller was king and cryptocurrencies were known only to financial/economic theoreticians possibly. I received that e-mail over 19 years ago. Just one of the many internet casinos I joined back then that I usually used Neteller to deposit in or withdraw from. Before the FBI banned Neteller (the event that Mickey referred to as Black Friday - which obliterated the online gambling world for US citizens who lost access to massive amounts of money housed in their online gambling accounts which were frozen in the FBI crackdown forever as these sites shut down or closed US customer accounts) and other financial transaction companies from doing business with US citizens making it much harder for US Citizens to do internet gambling. As mentioned above, cryptocurrencies and No KYC casinos (aka cryptocasinos/decentralized casinos), make it virtually impossible for US regulators to prevent US citizens from exercising their right to gamble since funding and withdrawing from online casinos can be done with cryptocurrencies - completely circumventing the legacy banking system.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
How did you "wean" yourself away from the higher betting figures, especially given your claim that you won $1.5M at VP a few years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
You should be rolling in dough.
I myself find my average bet amount creeps up over time, not down.
The best part of a redietz post is the mental gymnastics he goes through to show that NO he is not jealous of APs and is actually a superior person.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThere is a couple "funny" things about redietz's many comments and reactions about APs and sports betting.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
We read him repeatedly belittle APs that they don't know what they are doing.
We read him say things like, you think I haven't been doing that for years/decades.
Ok, so some of us are doing things he has been doing, then we must know what we are doing. :confused:
And if we have no clue what we are doing, as he repeatedly claims, then what the fuck is he SO bothered about that he keeps coming with all the anti-AP statements?
Something about his angry reaction doesn't add up. :rolleyes:
And if there's one thing coming back from the dead makes you expert in -- it's everything. Because, once you've been to hell and heaven, you know it all.
And again, no direct quotes from the Kewljs, because that won't work.
Let me be crystal clear -- my "belittling (kewlj's word)" of APs has to do with their presuming that "sports betting" is a thing as opposed to betting individual sports. And then having such "general practitioners," so to speak, decide they somehow know better than experts in particular sports. It's ridiculous. Anything APs do in specific sports can be done better by experts in those specific sports. And then you have the multi-account bonus attempts, and people shocked, shocked I tell you, when sports books figure them out and shut them down and occasionally keep their money. And let's not forget my disdain for people recruiting family and friends so those family/friends can provide charity sign-up bonuses for the "APs," which is a helluva way to treat family and friends. Here's a thought -- spend an hour showing people how to get their own sign-up bonuses. If you believe the "APs," no civilian can figure out how to do it, and all civilians are happy to allow others to take most of the money.
Yeah, nothing adds up like coming back from the dead, and arm-breaking adventures, and people giving you player dossiers for no good reason. Yeah, all of those things add up.
The kewlJs need a new schtick.
That makes sense..I wondered briefly about neteller but assumed it was another version of neteller.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayThe post pertaining to the site above was meant as a nostalgic trip to the earlier days of internet casinos (which started in the late 90's) that Axelwolf was referring to - when Neteller was king and cryptocurrencies were known only to financial/economic theoreticians possibly. I received that e-mail over 19 years ago. Just one of the many internet casinos I joined back then that I usually used Neteller to deposit in or withdraw from. Before the FBI banned Neteller (the event that Mickey referred to as Black Friday - which obliterated the online gambling world for US citizens who lost access to massive amounts of money housed in their online gambling accounts which were frozen in the FBI crackdown forever as these sites shut down or closed US customer accounts) and other financial transaction companies from doing business with US citizens making it much harder for US Citizens to do internet gambling. As mentioned above, cryptocurrencies and No KYC casinos (aka cryptocasinos/decentralized casinos), make it virtually impossible for US regulators to prevent US citizens from exercising their right to gamble since funding and withdrawing from online casinos can be done with cryptocurrencies - completely circumventing the legacy banking system.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Neteller was awesome. Back during the online poker boom. I could withdraw to netwller then take the debit card to 711 and get 1k in 100s in less than an hour. A young gamblers dream, really.