What's up, Bozo?
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What's up, Bozo?
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I have a little problem with MDawg's win/loss statements. If you read the first one it says "Estimated Table Games Win/(Loss) $20,600." So which is it? Was it a win of of 20.6K or was it a loss of 20.6K? It doesn't say which one it was. The other two win/loss statements do the same thing. How are we to know whether it's a win or a loss?
I didn't see them but on mine if the number is inside parentheses (20,600.00) its a loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
If they have no parentheses its a win.
So he won. My next question would be how many hands did he play in 2019? With his bet range there might not be anything extroardinary here. Just some positive variance on his part and just some minor losses for the casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI didn't see them but on mine if the number is inside parentheses (20,600.00) its a loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
If they have no parentheses its a win.
I am sure it is nothing special in the terms of math.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I think it is very bad to show a win on a win/loss statement no matter what.
A player should learn how to show a loss on paper.
If you have to show a win at one Casino you need to learn how to show losses at other properties.
Some exceptions do apply of course.
Nothing you can do if you hit the MegaBucks that I know of for win/loss statements.
This guys estimate was good enough for you before today.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now it looks like tableplay's 20 million to 1 shot came in, and you're not so sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Smoke
I think tableplays math is good for the number of hands he used in the equation. But how do we know MDawg played that many hands? We don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThis guys estimate was good enough for you before today.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now it looks like tableplay's 20 million to 1 shot came in, and you're not so sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Smoke
Here's another thing. Let's say I played 8 sessions last year. I lost my first 5 sessions for a total of 100K but won my last 3 sessions for a total of 60K. I lost 40K for the year.
Then after the fact I start a thread in the gambling forums and just post up the results for my last three sessions making myself look like a winner.
After the fact?...did you read MDawg's trip reports for 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I haven't seen any detailed trip reports before 2020, it seems that the number of hands played per trip for 10 trips in 2019 was estimated based on the number of hands reported for the 2020 trips...800 hands per trip.
Do you accept that MDawg won for both trips in 2020?
He started the thread at WoV in November, 2019. And he wrote about a 5 week stay. So he has said some things about 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyAfter the fact?...did you read MDawg's trip reports for 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I haven't seen any detailed trip reports before 2020, it seems that the number of hands played per trip for 10 trips in 2019 was estimated based on the number of hands reported for the 2020 trips...800 hands per trip.
Do you accept that MDawg won for both trips in 2020?
Do I believe he won on both trips in 2020. I really don't care but if he did more power to him. It doesn't matter what I believe.
And if he doesn't come down with the Kung-flu then he can keep on winning.
Coach! you're mostly wasting your time. You couldn't convince most of these people that the Pope is Catholic.
As I said, and KewlJ confirmed
I mean you're dealing with for the most part moribund has-beens,Quote:
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you think they are going to roll over and admit that MDawg is not only winning but that the value of the comps that he pulled last year alone exceed the pennies they used to scrape?Quote:
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Originally Posted by MDawgCoach! you're mostly wasting your time. You couldn't convince most of these people that the Pope is Catholic.
As I said, and KewlJ confirmed
I mean you're dealing with for the most part moribund has-beens,Quote:
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you think they are going to roll over and admit that MDawg is not only winning but that the value of the comps that he pulled last year alone exceed the pennies they used to scrape?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
"If the dude's gettin' ribs,
He ain't tellin' fibs."
What is more amazing than a bac player, giving up a little more than 1%, can win 40 sessions in a row, is the house, with an edge of a little over 1%, can lose 40 sessions in a row to that player. Think about it, the player at 99% expectation is beating the house which is at 101% expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgCoach! you're mostly wasting your time. You couldn't convince most of these people that the Pope is Catholic.
As I said, and KewlJ confirmed
I mean you're dealing with for the most part moribund has-beens,Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
you think they are going to roll over and admit that MDawg is not only winning but that the value of the comps that he pulled last year alone exceed the pennies they used to scrape?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
The player at 99% never has a losing session but the house at 101% never has a winning session. Amazing.
It's clear that few want to accept that it is possible to win at Baccarat. Which is pretty much as I suspected all along, that my taking the time to post anything would be a waste of time. But I'm the proof that it is possible! to win at Baccarat. My evidence is empirical – that I win! versus theoretical, which is what you offer.
One thing few of you will ever accept is that the house edge isn't what beats people at Baccarat - it could have no house edge and the way high rollers play the game they'd still either win or lose a lot probably about as much as they do now. The house edge is more like insurance for the house against Baccarat flat bettors who would otherwise just always bet one side. If you imagine a mentality of a flip the coin 50-50 no house edge bettor who Always plays until he loses everything, sadly that is the way most high rollers play Baccarat.
In sum, as far as my trip reports, if they were other than completely factual: I'd have a hard time keeping track of all the lies. I am sure I would have tripped myself up by now with two years of posts at WOV if I were presenting fabrications. Also, what would be the point? that wouldn't be a trip report that would be fiction.
Maybe you could consider that I posted the Feb/March 2020 trip over here and at GF as it happened. And then when it occurred to me to login to my Cosmo portal I noticed that they had updated my 2020 win and then I posted the video of my viewing that. That the numbers I posted on that trip as it happened correspond to that win/loss, should tell you something. If I were going to fabricate I'd just claim to be winning tens of thousands every day lol why admit that some days I end up with under a hundred bucks.
Another way to look at it: I've been stock trading and casino gambling going back over two decades. So either I'm made of money and I keep losing and keep going back for more punishment, or I have some kind of talent and have been winning as claimed. As I've mentioned before, there are very few high credit line casino players with high lines who are able to keep them in good standing for years and years; most get blown out within two years.
Sorry, but you haven't proven anything. Sure, you can have winning trips but varying the bets is not going to make you a winner in the long run...and it is not going to make you win 40 sessions in a row. If you are varying your bets you are using a martingale, reverse martingale, or variants thereof. The martingales have been debunked by countless mathematicians. The problem is your bigger bets have the same expectation as your smaller bets. You cant get away from the house edge on any of your bets. To win 40 sessions is a row your bigger bets have to win at a rate well above expectation.Quote:
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Even MY video poker progression strategy has never won more than 16 straight sessions.
I strongly suspect the reason this guy makes such wild claims about his card game is because he knows it'll get attention. He seems to be too stupid to write about it in any real publication which will get thousands of readers, and which is why he's chosen forums to BS people with. I wouldn't trust or believe any of his so-called casino win/loss statements just like the IRS doesn't for various reasons. And his weak reasoning for posting pictures of cash, jewelry and other nonsense is just him trying to convince himself he's convincing his "fish" about how much he takes from casinos every single time.
He's simply just another California flake who likely drives a leased BMW that he cannot afford.
Is there any documentation that MDawg could provide to verify his reported results for 2019 & 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Coach, I admire your perseverance, but whatever you say, whatever I post, they are going to compare what I claim with their own losing experience or losing theory and say that since it was or should be this way for them, it must be for all.
They are all spouting theory. Not one of them has ever played high stakes Baccarat. I mean Mickey Crimm's casino host story was about missing out on a free meal, a single free meal. That's the level of play these guys are at. My Allegory of the Cave is as apposite as can be. How can you show reality to those who have spent their whole lives in caves looking at shadows on the walls? Ask them how many table limit table game bets they have booked let alone won in their lives.
I mean you're talking about a guy who tosses in "Martingale" as if that is a good way to win, or even ever play, that shows about all these guys know about table game play evidently. It's like they're looking at what I'm doing through thick woolly hoods that barely allow the light through, they are so mystified.
There is nothing wrong with low end machine play, but they should stay in their lanes and not try to comprehend the real thing at the high limit tables unless they have personal long standing experience with it, which not one of them apparently does.
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You guys are funny. Anything can happen!
I read about a guy named Rusty Griswold who won FOUR cars in just a few days in Vegas playing the slots!
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Dude, what's up with your reading comprehension. I didn't lose the meal comp just drawings and special events but fuck the meals. I take them as a by product only. It's the hourly rate. I got backed off probably because I hit a royal on the 2nd day and still blew the host off. He figured me for an advantage player. I know a lot more about the history of the Pepp and AP's besides this one story. I wasn't barred from playing but the play went from worth about $60 an hour, a pretty good hourly rate in 2002, to about $35 an hour. I had other plays worth more than that so left.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You are in the realm of misrepresenting what people say now. What's that all about?
Have I played baccarat? You are absolutely right, I haven't played it. That's because I studied it long enough to know I can't get an edge at it. I only play games where I have a mathematical advantage. I have a long history, 25 years, of playing positive expectation games. I've never had a losing year. When it comes to overall gambling knowledge, dude you don't have a clue. So knock off the "these guys are clueless" routine. You're the one that don't have a clue.
You do what you do, and I wouldn't impose to claim it can't be done - because I don't do it, and haven't done it.
You know nothing about what I do, have never done anything like it, and yet you come in talking about it - at length. That's what is risible, and is the difference between us.
No. You would literally have to stand there and watch him play every hand to know where he is at.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIs there any documentation that MDawg could provide to verify his reported results for 2019 & 2020?Quote:
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And the same standard applies to you as well...right?Quote:
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Yes, the same standard applies to me. But I don't care if I'm believed or not. That's not up to me. It's up to the reader to believe it or not. As KJ says, it's not hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.Quote:
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And the same standard applies to you as well...right?Quote:
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Whether you believe it or not I have had good success playing with the advantage. Why would I want to switch to games where I don't have the advantage? You just dion't see people last as full time gamblers playing negative expectation games. I think Rob might be an exception. With his system you are going to hit some big jackpots and they might put you over the top. But I still don't trust it.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrV...dVdnKO.oq0QOs-Quote:
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And the same standard applies to you as well...right?Quote:
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I don't understand where you're going with this.Quote:
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Who suggested that you switch games?
If you don't care whether or not your are to be believed, then why would you even make a comment like this...
The guy posts his W/L statements, and your reaction is to puff your chest out and claim you won more?Quote:
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Why bother, unless you're gonna show your statements?
This is like watching somebody bench press 250, and you start chirping that you can bench 280, but you won't and you don't care if anybody believes you.
Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.
Oh, no. I'm hanging right around. People don't get believed all the time. Does that mean they shouldn't say anything. Fuck that bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI don't understand where you're going with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Who suggested that you switch games?
If you don't care whether or not your are to be believed, then why would you even make a comment like this...
The guy posts his W/L statements, and your reaction is to puff your chest out and claim you won more?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Why bother, unless you're gonna show your statements?
This is like watching somebody bench press 250, and you start chirping that you can bench 280, but you won't and you don't care if anybody believes you.
Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.
1.. How do I know they are HIS win/loss statements? You get my drift compadre. You are very big on not believing alot of what you read on this forum but here you are easily taking MDawg for his word.
2. My point about how much I made was in response to MDawg belittling myself and members of this forum as low level gamblers without a clue.
Coach, if you spent as much time and energy on how to find and exploit advantages in the casinos as you do studying bullshit negative expectation games you would be worth a lot more than you are today.
MDawg I seen that article you posted on WoV. Cheung yin Sun is an edge sorter. There is nothing intuitive about what she does. Are you implying you are an edge sorter? If you were I would think they would be onto you now. But funny you posted that up. She's was plastered all over WoV a long time ago.
Past two years I've always won.
In the past, prior to my decade or so hiatus, I won most of the time.
As for the how, I have discussed that some, but not entirely, and that's not the point of all this. For the most part, I'm just making truthful trip reports, although I do get excited and inject some other trip report related truths into my posts as well.
MDawg, that very well may not be important to you, or the point that you are trying to make but when many people believe only the portion that you do talk about without realizing there is more to the story is a real disservice on your part to the gaming community. Just by clarifying that point alone (which should have been done a long time ago) would go a long way in settling some differences. You see, you may dismiss most differences in some others as just jealousy where that would not be the case from some veteran players who have been around, who have plenty of their own success stories, as well as a few real setbacks.Quote:
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You never exploited any casinos, the casinos kept the same hold on the machines that you played, whether you played them or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Some random player would have eventually spun off any of your plays, because that's what the math dictates...right?
So you took money from the other players, not from the casinos. You swiped grandma's entertainment money while she was in the bathroom.
No wonder you're so insecure.
The gaming community? Here?Quote:
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You are delusional...get a grip.
coach belly wrote:
"So you took money from the other players, not from the casinos. You swiped grandma's entertainment money while she was in the bathroom."
Sadly that is true, and how the world survives. Think of it as one animal hunting another on the Serengeti.
MDawg, posts on multiable boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThe gaming community? Here?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
You are delusional...get a grip.
I was actually putting a dent in the casinos overall win.Quote:
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Did you change the overall hold for any of the machines you played?Quote:
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Did you play +EV situations that another player could not have played, had you not shown up?
Crocodile tears.Quote:
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MDawg hasn't encouraged anyone else to play as he does, has anyone in expressed their intention to play that way?
The only members that encourage readers to emulate MDawg are MDawg's detractors.
I don't recall you chiding any of them for doing a disservice to the gaming community.Quote:
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MDawg hasn't encouraged anyone else to play as he does, has anyone in expressed their intention to play that way?
The only members that encourage readers to emulate MDawg are MDawg's detractors.
I don't recall you chiding any of them for doing a disservice to the gaming community.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
That above quote was taken out of context, my response was only in reply to you. Someone who appears to be a person who can evidentially only learn through the living and playing the actual experience out yourself. Below is how the posts actually appeared in the other thread.
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Originally Posted by BoSox
Coach belly you are the one who is defending MDawg's bullshit stories, in theory, not me, so if there are any fantasizing going on it is on you.
"I'm looking at photographs of documents."
If you believe and are satisfied with MDawg's meaningless short term result, try it with your own money.