Recent interview with Eliot Jacobson

[Garnabby]

Well, Red's blog is only slightly easier reading than Tasha's screed, but, less so than old V's premature "ejaculations". Ha.

Oh come now.

You repeat the same glaring grammatical errors, and, etc, but, there's just no way of getting through to you. Ha. But, around here, no one knows better, let alone gives a hoot.

[MisterV]

It was a pun, son: a pun for fun.

Now, run...

[accountinquestion]

Just heard that LV is gonna absolutely BAKE for the next week+.....love it! Burn baby burn!! Run them AC's, get them repair guys over to fill up that freon, and lose your money in the casinos so you can't pay your electricity bills or pay that child support. And can you IMAGINE that miserable little twit kew melting like a cheap bar of soap?

Of course, as we relax comfortably up here in Sun Valley Idaho (where fuel prices are 50c to $1 cheaper than anywhere in Vegas ) in daytime upper 70's and mid 80's temps along with those coooool nights--I won't give two shits about all the sweating going on down in that cesspool.

Need a distraction from the heat? Go out and drive around in that wonderful gridlock traffic for a few hours, fighting off road-ragers and disillusioned run-of-the-mill "AP's" who can't get over their divorces or financial misery, and who can't afford to go to the doctor to get a boil lanced. But thank goodness for the food stamps, and those good 'ol Joe Biden welfare handouts.

Happy 4th weekend to all the losers out there!

(Now isn't that better reading than the boring social statistics being posted, or ANY of those moronic posts by that jackwagon tasha.....)

You trying so hard to annoy but instead just flailing around aimlessly is standard.

[Rob.Singer]

Just heard that LV is gonna absolutely BAKE for the next week+.....love it! Burn baby burn!! Run them AC's, get them repair guys over to fill up that freon, and lose your money in the casinos so you can't pay your electricity bills or pay that child support. And can you IMAGINE that miserable little twit kew melting like a cheap bar of soap?

Of course, as we relax comfortably up here in Sun Valley Idaho (where fuel prices are 50c to $1 cheaper than anywhere in Vegas ) in daytime upper 70's and mid 80's temps along with those coooool nights--I won't give two shits about all the sweating going on down in that cesspool.

Need a distraction from the heat? Go out and drive around in that wonderful gridlock traffic for a few hours, fighting off road-ragers and disillusioned run-of-the-mill "AP's" who can't get over their divorces or financial misery, and who can't afford to go to the doctor to get a boil lanced. But thank goodness for the food stamps, and those good 'ol Joe Biden welfare handouts.

Happy 4th weekend to all the losers out there!

(Now isn't that better reading than the boring social statistics being posted, or ANY of those moronic posts by that jackwagon tasha.....)

You trying so hard to annoy but instead just flailing around aimlessly is standard.

Similar to the weakness kew has always shown....if you really weren't hurt and/or annoyed, you'd simply just ignore.

Being double-parked in your head sure has it's advantages.

[Garnabby]

Being double-parked in your head sure has it's advantages.

Rob, despite your very own brand of ignorance, sometimes you "hit the nail on the head".

Well, Red's blog is only slightly easier reading than Tasha's screed, but, less so than old V's premature "ejaculations". Ha.

Oh come now.

You repeat the same glaring grammatical errors, and, etc, but, there's just no way of getting through to you. Ha. But, around here, no one knows better, let alone gives a hoot.

It was a pun, son: a pun for fun.

Now, run...

Seems that MrV's been "living rent-free in his own head", for a very long time. Ha.

Zing!

[DGenBen]

Rob, despite your very own brand of ignorance, sometimes you "hit the nail on the head".

Well, Red's blog is only slightly easier reading than Tasha's screed, but, less so than old V's premature "ejaculations". Ha.

Oh come now.

You repeat the same glaring grammatical errors, and, etc, but, there's just no way of getting through to you. Ha. But, around here, no one knows better, let alone gives a hoot.

It was a pun, son: a pun for fun.

Now, run...

Seems that MrV's been "living rent-free in his own head", for a very long time. Ha.

Zing!

Garnabby, do you think that non traversable wormholes could be a potential solution to the EPR paradox?

In that the apparent instantaneous action between entangled particles is due to them being connected by a wormhole?

[accountinquestion]

Just heard that LV is gonna absolutely BAKE for the next week+.....love it! Burn baby burn!! Run them AC's, get them repair guys over to fill up that freon, and lose your money in the casinos so you can't pay your electricity bills or pay that child support. And can you IMAGINE that miserable little twit kew melting like a cheap bar of soap?

Of course, as we relax comfortably up here in Sun Valley Idaho (where fuel prices are 50c to $1 cheaper than anywhere in Vegas ) in daytime upper 70's and mid 80's temps along with those coooool nights--I won't give two shits about all the sweating going on down in that cesspool.

Need a distraction from the heat? Go out and drive around in that wonderful gridlock traffic for a few hours, fighting off road-ragers and disillusioned run-of-the-mill "AP's" who can't get over their divorces or financial misery, and who can't afford to go to the doctor to get a boil lanced. But thank goodness for the food stamps, and those good 'ol Joe Biden welfare handouts.

Happy 4th weekend to all the losers out there!

(Now isn't that better reading than the boring social statistics being posted, or ANY of those moronic posts by that jackwagon tasha.....)

You trying so hard to annoy but instead just flailing around aimlessly is standard.

Similar to the weakness kew has always shown....if you really weren't hurt and/or annoyed, you'd simply just ignore.

Being double-parked in your head sure has it's advantages.

Eh I am always happy to point out how big a loser you are with a sentence. I find it fun.

I guess you'll go hang out at an rv dealership to take a picture of something not yours but too lazy to find a car to take a picture with?

Good stuff, Singer.

[jdog]

people should not have to be vaccinated but there needs to be a system so that medical institution can just refuse to treat them after the fact.
One of them started droning on about masks and she was like ... just get me away from that dude.

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). In fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

[redietz]

people should not have to be vaccinated but there needs to be a system so that medical institution can just refuse to treat them after the fact.
One of them started droning on about masks and she was like ... just get me away from that dude.

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). If fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

What gets lost in the mRNA shot discussions and the mask discussions is that masks probably had some utility versus the first couple incarnations of the virus. The reason is that the best masks reduce exposure and filter out up to 90-some percent of particles in the air. Well, that made a difference in the first iterations of the virus because the amount of virus expelled by an infected person via breath or sneeze was relatively low. And it could actually be estimated in a rough way, so that there was an exposure per minute kind of calculation. If you were with a person expelling x number of particles per breath or per minute, then a mask that filtered out 90% of the particles had the net effect of making an hour-long exposure the equivalent of a six-minute exposure to that person if you didn't have a mask. Of course, if you were in close quarters in a restaurant or (worse) a church choir with a lot of people expelling virus, even the best masks could only do so much and you were going to eventually catch the bug.

The problem, once you got to the third virus variant and on, was that particles expelled per breath or sneeze went way, way up with each iteration, which is exactly how most viruses evolve. So a six -minute exposure to a third or fourth variant was like being exposed for a much longer time to a person infected with an earlier variant. The masks became more or less useless because the particles per breath or sneeze skyrocketed. Cloth masks were of minimal value the whole time, and even the N-95s and so on (which I used) became of limited value. There was just too much virus in the air, and you were constantly exposed.

[accountinquestion]

people should not have to be vaccinated but there needs to be a system so that medical institution can just refuse to treat them after the fact.
One of them started droning on about masks and she was like ... just get me away from that dude.

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). In fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

If you don't think it is a vaccine then you must not believe the flu vaccine is a vaccine either, right?

My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun. Hospitalizing the extra people would have likely been a considerable burden - no doubt costs passed along to others in some way (and maybe not financially). The vaccine did help lower symptoms and thus the medical overload. I also feel we owe it to medical staff. We're already short doctors. We don't need some large part of them saying peace out from being burned out. The hospitals and/or doctors should have a right to just say no to patients.

I've known quite a few people being sick from side effects of vax but none approaching death. I do know of several people who died from covid. One was an anti-vaxxer and the family said it was a "reaction to the medicine" for why he couldn't breath. Unlikely. What is more likely is he caught covid. I know of other people who lost a lot of life after catching covid. Through friends of friends I know 5 people who died. Some were fairly young.

So I'm just in a middle ground giving people the most options. Real personal freedom. shrug. The vaccines did have more problems than people were hoping and I don't disagree they are problematic.

If some hospitals said no, then there will be free market options elsewhere.

Long covid is very much also a thing but the whole thing was politicized so many have little desire to have an objective discussion. It is now part of the tribal thinking. Indeed, the weirdo who droned on about vaccinations to my friend is a big time fake-news loving rightwinger. He prides himself in not listening to msm. He'd much rather exist solely in his silo feeling superior but in reality being dumb.

[accountinquestion]

people should not have to be vaccinated but there needs to be a system so that medical institution can just refuse to treat them after the fact.
One of them started droning on about masks and she was like ... just get me away from that dude.

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). If fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

What gets lost in the mRNA shot discussions and the mask discussions is that masks probably had some utility versus the first couple incarnations of the virus. The reason is that the best masks reduce exposure and filter out up to 90-some percent of particles in the air. Well, that made a difference in the first iterations of the virus because the amount of virus expelled by an infected person via breath or sneeze was relatively low. And it could actually be estimated in a rough way, so that there was an exposure per minute kind of calculation. If you were with a person expelling x number of particles per breath or per minute, then a mask that filtered out 90% of the particles had the net effect of making an hour-long exposure the equivalent of a six-minute exposure to that person if you didn't have a mask. Of course, if you were in close quarters in a restaurant or (worse) a church choir with a lot of people expelling virus, even the best masks could only do so much and you were going to eventually catch the bug.

The problem, once you got to the third virus variant and on, was that particles expelled per breath or sneeze went way, way up with each iteration, which is exactly how most viruses evolve. So a six -minute exposure to a third or fourth variant was like being exposed for a much longer time to a person infected with an earlier variant. The masks became more or less useless because the particles per breath or sneeze skyrocketed. Cloth masks were of minimal value the whole time, and even the N-95s and so on (which I used) became of limited value. There was just too much virus in the air, and you were constantly exposed.

I'd love to see a real source on the above. I read a lot about this and I've never seen the above.

It is my personal belief that the masks filtered a decent amount of outgoing (and some incoming) virus. I suspect this may have limited severity. If you have a larger amount of the initial infection then perhaps that hurts the process of fighting the virus as the virus has a head start in the race but then maybe it also gives the body more virus load to build up an immunity. This is just a theory of mine. I'm not making up stuff and putting it off as research. lol

[redietz]

people should not have to be vaccinated but there needs to be a system so that medical institution can just refuse to treat them after the fact.
One of them started droning on about masks and she was like ... just get me away from that dude.

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). In fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

If you don't think it is a vaccine then you must not believe the flu vaccine is a vaccine either, right?

My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun. Hospitalizing the extra people would have likely been a considerable burden - no doubt costs passed along to others in some way (and maybe not financially). The vaccine did help lower symptoms and thus the medical overload. I also feel we owe it to medical staff. We're already short doctors. We don't need some large part of them saying peace out from being burned out. The hospitals and/or doctors should have a right to just say no to patients.

I've known quite a few people being sick from side effects of vax but none approaching death. I do know of several people who died from covid. One was an anti-vaxxer and the family said it was a "reaction to the medicine" for why he couldn't breath. Unlikely. What is more likely is he caught covid. I know of other people who lost a lot of life after catching covid. Through friends of friends I know 5 people who died. Some were fairly young.

So I'm just in a middle ground giving people the most options. Real personal freedom. shrug. The vaccines did have more problems than people were hoping and I don't disagree they are problematic.

If some hospitals said no, then there will be free market options elsewhere.

Long covid is very much also a thing but the whole thing was politicized so many have little desire to have an objective discussion. It is now part of the tribal thinking. Indeed, the weirdo who droned on about vaccinations to my friend is a big time fake-news loving rightwinger. He prides himself in not listening to msm. He'd much rather exist solely in his silo feeling superior but in reality being dumb.

You need to catch up and read between the lines. The reason five states are currently suing Pfizer is because they are arguing that the mRNA Covid-19 shot is not a vaccine per se as set by historical and legal precedent. Their arguments hinge on the dual ineffectiveness of the mRNA Covid shots in (1) preventing infection and (2) preventing transmission. The bar for such things is relatively low since current flu vaccines have established roughly a 50% "prevents infection" status. The lawsuits suggest (strongly) that the mRNA Covid-19 shots are well below that threshold in preventing infection. What also suggests this is that Pfizer refuses to share any data on the subject with the public.

Well, the lawsuits will eventually put this information in the public domain. But it will take some time. The obvious implication is that if Pfizer had the data and it favored them, they would make public the data and there would be no lawsuits.

Here's a frightening thought, and I sound psychotic for mentioning it but I will. There is a possibility that, in terms of overall mortality (overall, not disease specific), the mRNA shots may have no value at all or may have a negative value.

[accountinquestion]

I've somewhat avoided discussing Covid related issues for a long time but I have to point out a couple things here. If you're advocating refusing to treat someone when there was an FDA approved vaccine available that has a long history of providing immunity along with minimal side effects... ok maybe I guess.

But the Covid vax is not this, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is an experimental (still not FDA approved) drug therapy that has an extremely questionable safety record to say the least. But at worst it's possibly the most dangerous "vaccine" ever. Plus waning immunity after a few to several weeks because it's only formulated for certain strain(s). In fact two very close friends of mine were nearly killed by the second shot. One of them developed symptoms within days. Plus a couple others I know had their labs come back very messed up after... so my friend's primary care physician asked him if he got the booster, he had so the PCP told him "don't get anymore Covid shots". My uncle has a heart condition, his PCP recommended no Covid vax for him either. It's not like there aren't doctors out there who know the shots are causing problems.

As far as the masks, I found this questionable from the get go. Viruses are super tiny particles. So as early as March 2020 I was looking at mask studies on the CDC site. At that time I could only find one about cloth mask effectiveness against the flu and the result was masks were proved ineffective against an aerosolized particle that small.

Did the Covid vax keep a lot of people out of the hospitals with Covid?? Yes. Did it kill people that never made it to the hospital or later of other diseases? Also yes.
I understand many of us advocated for the vaccines because we were scared and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Hell I even got one shot. But it's time to take a big step back... just back away from it. Trust me.

If you don't think it is a vaccine then you must not believe the flu vaccine is a vaccine either, right?

My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun. Hospitalizing the extra people would have likely been a considerable burden - no doubt costs passed along to others in some way (and maybe not financially). The vaccine did help lower symptoms and thus the medical overload. I also feel we owe it to medical staff. We're already short doctors. We don't need some large part of them saying peace out from being burned out. The hospitals and/or doctors should have a right to just say no to patients.

I've known quite a few people being sick from side effects of vax but none approaching death. I do know of several people who died from covid. One was an anti-vaxxer and the family said it was a "reaction to the medicine" for why he couldn't breath. Unlikely. What is more likely is he caught covid. I know of other people who lost a lot of life after catching covid. Through friends of friends I know 5 people who died. Some were fairly young.

So I'm just in a middle ground giving people the most options. Real personal freedom. shrug. The vaccines did have more problems than people were hoping and I don't disagree they are problematic.

If some hospitals said no, then there will be free market options elsewhere.

Long covid is very much also a thing but the whole thing was politicized so many have little desire to have an objective discussion. It is now part of the tribal thinking. Indeed, the weirdo who droned on about vaccinations to my friend is a big time fake-news loving rightwinger. He prides himself in not listening to msm. He'd much rather exist solely in his silo feeling superior but in reality being dumb.

You need to catch up and read between the lines. The reason five states are currently suing Pfizer is because they are arguing that the mRNA Covid-19 shot is not a vaccine per se as set by historical and legal precedent. Their arguments hinge on the dual ineffectiveness of the mRNA Covid shots in (1) preventing infection and (2) preventing transmission. The bar for such things is relatively low since current flu vaccines have established roughly a 50% "prevents infection" status. The lawsuits suggest (strongly) that the mRNA Covid-19 shots are well below that threshold in preventing infection. What also suggests this is that Pfizer refuses to share any data on the subject with the public.

Well, the lawsuits will eventually put this information in the public domain. But it will take some time. The obvious implication is that if Pfizer had the data and it favored them, they would make public the data and there would be no lawsuits.

Here's a frightening thought, and I sound psychotic for mentioning it but I will. There is a possibility that, in terms of overall mortality (overall, not disease specific), the mRNA shots may have no value at all or may have a negative value.

Interesting post. I'd still like to see a reference to the virus load going up as virus evolved and how this was ever determined. If that was determinable then I'd think they could come up with decent models of mask efficacy although likely still issues with know how much virus causes infection.

As far as the state lawsuits that is somewhat interesting but I'd bet every AG is a Republican which puts into question how much of it is just a political ploy. AGs sue all sorts of entities. They typically lack real shit to do.

That being said, forcing Pfizer to release their data should be done. Especially if they were given government money.

[jdog]

once you got to the third virus variant and on, was that particles expelled per breath or sneeze went way, way up with each iteration,

I think that's probably right. Virologists said from the beginning that it would definitely mutate into something more transmissible, and it's logical that more particle expulsion would do that. However they also said (and very early on I might add) that coronaviruses are not very amenable to vaccines because they mutate too quickly, iirc even though there were only a few variants widespread there were already something like 30 variants within several months, but it was estimated there were probably hundreds not known of.

But I got to burst your bubble here and say pretty much all mask studies say cloth masks become pretty useless after 20mins or so after being saturated with moisture. Hell even Fauci admitted about 6 months ago that the masking thing may not have been based on actual science. So as maxpen would say: masking RIP.

If you don't think it is a vaccine then you must not believe the flu vaccine is a vaccine either, right?

A traditional vaccine... of course it is. Why would you ask me that? Because the efficacy is not 100%??

My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun.

Like what happened in Sweden?? Oh that's right, nope that didn't happen... and pretty much no lockdowns there at all in the first year. In fact their overall mortality is still much lower than the US, Italy, UK etc... We have tons of lockdown data now and no conclusion can really be drawn whether it helped or not. I've seen the data parsed up a million ways too.

Well sure we all know people who died of Covid, and some of them actually did. But we monetarily incentivized hospitals to get Covid on as many death certificates as possible, so a LOT of people died of Covid... (or with Covid... among other things) ...who knows??

Well, the lawsuits will eventually put this information in the public domain. But it will take some time.

Umm... some of the Pfizer trials data has been available for a long time now. I read some of it and I'll sum it up in one word: FRAUD.

There is a possibility that, in terms of overall mortality (overall, not disease specific), the mRNA shots may have no value at all or may have a negative value.

Ya think lol??

[accountinquestion]

But I got to burst your bubble here and say pretty much all mask studies say cloth masks become pretty useless after 20mins or so after being saturated with moisture. Hell even Fauci admitted about 6 months ago that the masking thing may not have been based on actual science. So as maxpen would say: masking RIP.

A traditional vaccine... of course it is. Why would you ask me that? Because the efficacy is not 100%??

I'm not sure what a traditional vaccine is but yes, you quoted the word as in you didn't believe it to be a vaccine. The flu vaccine doesn't work that well either but you don't see it politicized and so people just accept it.

When I think of masks I don't think of the cloth masks. AFAIK they might make it worse as the thing dries out but I never bothered to wear one. I do believe it slows down the speed of your talking/mouth exhalation which should on some level keep the virus closer to the infected person and not in breath's way.

My issue with the masks and all that is if everything went forward as normal the hospitals would have been overrun.

Like what happened in Sweden?? Oh that's right, nope that didn't happen... and pretty much no lockdowns there at all in the first year. In fact their overall mortality is still much lower than the US, Italy, UK etc... We have tons of lockdown data now and no conclusion can really be drawn whether it helped or not. I've seen the data parsed up a million ways too.



Well sure we all know people who died of Covid, and some of them actually did. But we monetarily incentivized hospitals to get Covid on as many death certificates as possible, so a LOT of people died of Covid... (or with Covid... among other things) ...who knows??

No clue about Sweden and don't care at this point. Maybe I'm wrong. BTW do they have socialized healthcare?

I have no idea if the people who knew their dead needed to know what was on their death certificate. When COVID was a thing and people all at once could barely breath - it was a safe assumption. I'm just throwing out anecdotal stuff in response to your anecdotal stuff about the 2 friends almost dying. I never knew anyone directly who died but knew a few people who seemed to have long covid.

I've also noticed there tends to be a correlation between how sick people got from the vaccine and one's politics. Just like I didn't know anyone close who died, I also didn't know anyone who was close to death from the vaccine.

Anyway thats about the sum of my opinion. The lockdowns clearly hurt a lot of people financially. The PPP loan shit was a scam for the rich who didn't need it. Can't think of much else. I don't think Fauci should be arrested?

[redietz]

I'm well aware of all of this. I'm understating this in the calmest, most conservative way possible because it's a US audience that's basically self-poisoned themselves, and that audience needs to search out the data for themselves after reading a post like mine. Then their response likely will be, "Geez, he was understating this."

I recommend the following YouTube guys to flesh out the details:

1) John Campbell, a PhD nurse who has written nursing texts. His interviews are excellent.
2) Vinay Prasad, a real Renaissance dude with an incredible output and balanced presentation.
3) Mobeen Sayad, someone who covers the material in a balanced, calm fashion.

All of these guys have been Covid-19 vaxed, and they are none too thrilled about it. They are very professional in their presentations and measured arguments.

[Rob.Singer]

I'm well aware of all of this. I'm understating this in the calmest, most conservative way possible because it's a US audience that's basically self-poisoned themselves, and that audience needs to search out the data for themselves after reading a post like mine. Then their response likely will be, "Geez, he was understating this."

I recommend the following YouTube guys to flesh out the details:

1) John Campbell, a PhD nurse who has written nursing texts. His interviews are excellent.
2) Vinay Prasad, a real Renaissance dude with an incredible output and balanced presentation.
3) Mobeen Sayad, someone who covers the material in a balanced, calm fashion.

All of these guys have been Covid-19 vaxed, and they are none too thrilled about it. They are very professional in their presentations and measured arguments.

Weird. Just plain weird.

[Garnabby]

Rob, despite your very own brand of ignorance, sometimes you "hit the nail on the head".

Well, Red's blog is only slightly easier reading than Tasha's screed, but, less so than old V's premature "ejaculations". Ha.

Oh come now.

You repeat the same glaring grammatical errors, and, etc, but, there's just no way of getting through to you. Ha. But, around here, no one knows better, let alone gives a hoot.

It was a pun, son: a pun for fun.

Now, run...

Seems that MrV's been "living rent-free in his own head", for a very long time. Ha.

Zing!

Garnabby, do you think that non traversable wormholes could be a potential solution to the EPR paradox?

In that the apparent instantaneous action between entangled particles is due to them being connected by a wormhole?

I put the number of temporal dimensions equal to the number of spatial dimensions, except that only one of the three temporal dimensions, at a time, is observable. The three spatial dimensions are together-apart, with all of them, at a time, observable, but, the three temporal dimensions are apart-together, with only one of them, at a time, observable. Sort of like getting back to space made of time, or, versa, except that both remain. A true dimensional equation sort of relationship.


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[jdog]

I'm not sure what a traditional vaccine is but yes, you quoted the word as in you didn't believe it to be a vaccine.
No clue about Sweden and don't care at this point.
I'm just throwing out anecdotal stuff in response to your anecdotal stuff about the 2 friends almost dying.

Well it wasn't me who didn't think it was a vaccine... the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine in order to encompass the mRNA shots (which also happened to release big pharma from liability) but the official reason was to be more "transparent". This from the same people who stopped collecting Covid vax adverse event data about a year ago.

When you do a scientific experiment you need a 'control' group. Sweden has always been the closest thing we've had to one.

To me, knowing someone who developed ventricle fibrillation within days of the booster really brought the reality of all this home (btw this symptom was also stated in Pfizer's adverse reactions section of their trial data) but sure, it's anecdotal of course. You want data? You want articles? Sure, how much time have you got?? A study group and I dug into all this stuff for over a year and a half.

[jdog]

I am happy to educate anyone here on the reality of what was simply a heist of epic, well that's not even big enough, let's say biblical proportions. But I won't continue to respond to anyone repeating more of the narrative that the media here repeated over and over. It was apparent as early as April 2020 that U.S. mainstream media were cherry picking their data because I could rarely corroborate their headlines. Ask a question and I will answer it and provide proof, but only if you actually want to learn something. It's time to accept the fact we were all lied to over and over.