Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

[kewlJ]

stop jerking everyone around with your crazy ass shit!

Very well written summary, MDawg.

I enjoyed it.

I like how MaxPen called it kewlJ's "Newell moment". Hilarious.

I will admit that this never smelled quite right to me, and my personal belief at this point is that kewlJ made the whole thing up.

I don't think there was any incident which was lawsuit-worthy, which is why we got so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

STOP Hijacking this thread, Dog you piece of shit! This isn't about you and your obsession with me. This thread is about redietz. It is his moment to shine (which he is failing miserably at).

MDog, you have a hundred other threads that you created and bump for the sole purpose of your continuing you obsessive trolling of me. Stop being such an asswipe.

[MDawg]

Part of his mental illness is that he spend days writing about how so and so has been doing this or that while he has not when all the while, that's exactly what he has done in the past.

[coach belly]

I only care about legitimate proof that I didn't make an honest attempt to send him my email address via PM here.

And I only care about legitimate proof that you did send it.

Who claimed that they have proof that you didn't make an honest attempt to send it to redietz?

[AxelWolf]

I faded Stanford Wong's dice action, and would do it again.

Please, do tell. I figured out very quickly that DI was mostly BS. I have some good stories to tell about DI. We bough a 100% real craps table, an excaxt copy of a craps table being used in a major strip casino. 2 or 3 people might be able to eek out a small advadnatge given 100% dedication with owning a legit copy of a craps table that's being used in a casino. But it's not worth the time and effort.

[AxelWolf]

I only care about legitimate proof that I didn't make an honest attempt to send him my email address via PM here.

And I only care about legitimate proof that you did send it.

Who claimed that they have proof that you didn't make an honest attempt to send it to redietz?

I don't think that one could prove I made a legitimate attempt to send it. That's up for interpretation, since you can't read my mind. I could have poupously sent it to myself just to claim I made an honest attempt to send it. I think there is enough evidence that most people would believe that I made an honest attempt to send him my email, and truly assumed that I had. It's a moot point, I think he will confirm that I have since made sure he got my email and my phone number.

[kewlJ]

I faded Stanford Wong's dice action, and would do it again.

Please, do tell. I figured out very quickly that DI was mostly BS. I have some good stories to tell about DI. We bough a 100% real craps table, an excaxt copy of a craps table being used in a major strip casino. 2 or 3 people might be able to eek out a small advadnatge given 100% dedication with owning a legit copy of a craps table that's being used in a casino. But it's not worth the time and effort.

I don't play craps, nor even pay much attention to the discussions. But my first question would be, is every craps table in every casino uniform or exactly the same? Made of the exact same materials? If not, I dont see an advantage to owning a "legit" craps table. Unless you are going to take your own table with you to the casino to play.

Again, I am not a craps guy and didn't even pay much attention to the DI discussions. But didn't Wong, later completely back track and back off his initial support of dice influencing and admit that it basically didn't work. Am I wrong in remembering something like that?

[AxelWolf]

perhaps it had something to do with

your gross technical incompetence.

I'm certainly not a master private message forum technician. It is among the last things I care to have an in-depth knowledge of. Meanwhile, I'm taking a break from clearing out blackberry bushes, leaving the ground, and creating a new path to the river for my wife and Dog on my tractor. I think I'm going to lose an A-30" belt as I've seen somthing smoking, smelled burned rubber, heard squalling, and seemingly lost some power.

[coach belly]

I don't think that one could prove I made a legitimate attempt to send it. I could have poupously sent it to myself just to claim I made an honest attempt to send it. I think there is enough evidence that most people would believe that I made an honest attempt to send him my email

Now you are just talking in circles.

One could not prove you made a legitimate attempt.

You could have sent it to yourself just to claim that you did.

There is evidence that you did make an honest attempt.

The evidence is that you sent it to yourself.

LOL...OK...got it.

[MisterV]

I don't play craps, nor even pay much attention to the discussions. But my first question would be, is every craps table in every casino uniform or exactly the same? Made of the exact same materials? If not, I dont see an advantage to owning a "legit" craps table. Unless you are going to take your own table with you to the casino to play.

KJ, the tables are NOT all the same, so unless a wannabe DI can duplicate a table exactly he'll never be able to have the same sort of results at home as at the casino.

I suspect the key thing is the surface, both the felt overlay and the underlay beneath it.

When DI became a thing I understand some casinos modified their tables underlay to become bouncier.

No, DI is not practical: you want to win, then figure how to palm and substitute dice, but yeah, it's a felony.

[kewlJ]

What is the big deal? So Axel made a mistake and sent the message to himself. So fucking what? It has been corrected. Why is everything with this coach belly some kind of gottch ya moment, and most of it about shit that absolutely just doesn't matter.

[MDawg]

And he has the nerve to open his trap about anyone else?

UNKewlJ does have the nerve to go on and on about more nonsense after being caught in years of daily lying, and hemmed in on at least thirty-nine total lies where it's obvious he lied.

At this point this fraud's claims aren't t even worth entering a discussion about.....RIP

[kewlJ]

I don't play craps, nor even pay much attention to the discussions. But my first question would be, is every craps table in every casino uniform or exactly the same? Made of the exact same materials? If not, I dont see an advantage to owning a "legit" craps table. Unless you are going to take your own table with you to the casino to play.

KJ, the tables are NOT all the same, so unless a wannabe DI can duplicate a table exactly he'll never be able to have the same sort of results at home as at the casino.

I suspect the key thing is the surface, both the felt overlay and the underlay beneath it.

When DI became a thing I understand some casinos modified their tables underlay to become bouncier.

No, DI is not practical: you want to win, then figure how to palm and substitute dice, but yeah, it's a felony.

And does Wong still endorse or promote DI as a real thing or am I correct in thinking he back-tracked on that?

[MisterV]

It's been awhile but IIRC Wong gave up on chasing the DI dream.

[AxelWolf]

I faded Stanford Wong's dice action, and would do it again.

Please, do tell. I figured out very quickly that DI was mostly BS. I have some good stories to tell about DI. We bough a 100% real craps table, an excaxt copy of a craps table being used in a major strip casino. 2 or 3 people might be able to eek out a small advadnatge given 100% dedication with owning a legit copy of a craps table that's being used in a casino. But it's not worth the time and effort.

I don't play craps, nor even pay much attention to the discussions. But my first question would be, is every craps table in every casino uniform or exactly the same? Made of the exact same materials? If not, I dont see an advantage to owning a "legit" craps table. Unless you are going to take your own table with you to the casino to play.

Again, I am not a craps guy and didn't even pay much attention to the DI discussions. But didn't Wong, later completely back track and back off his initial support of dice influencing and admit that it basically didn't work. Am I wrong in remembering something like that?

A new strip casino had X number of craps tables built, but they ultimately only bought X amount from the builder, he had a few extras(logo and all), we purchoused one of the extra tables. It's been discussed previously. I sold my stake in the table and moved on very quickly. FYI, the Dominator would rent out the table for his classes. I had nothing to do with him/that, as I knew it was a con job regarding his students and his claims.

[AxelWolf]

I don't think that one could prove I made a legitimate attempt to send it. I could have poupously sent it to myself just to claim I made an honest attempt to send it. I think there is enough evidence that most people would believe that I made an honest attempt to send him my email

Now you are just talking in circles.

One could not prove you made a legitimate attempt.

You could have sent it to yourself just to claim that you did.

There is evidence that you did make an honest attempt.

The evidence is that you sent it to yourself.

LOL...OK...got it.

How could someone prove what their intent was? I have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that I sent my email to a PM at the time I claim. Ask Dan to confirm or deny. I permit him to look into my account and the timeline and give his opinion.

[kewlJ]

It's been awhile but IIRC Wong gave up on chasing the DI dream.

Like I said, craps isn't my thing. I have never played. Not 1 dollar. But what surprised me about Wong and DI, was that EVERYTHING about the man was about the Mathematics of gambling. Getting an edge based on the mathematics. And that wasn't the case with the DI thing. It was surprising. I am sure I have told my Standford Wong story either here or at WoV before.

I met him at Westin. I lived just up the street at the Platinum (Koval/Flamingo) at the time and walked to somewhere on the strip most days, so I walked right past Westin. They didn't have much live blackjack to speak of (I think they had a table open on weekends but they weren't going to tolerate my action, so I never played). But they did have a good little cafe/restaurant that I liked and made a great burger, so I stopped in once a week.

So I walked past Wong playing the dealer's angel (was that the name?) blackjack game. So I sat down. Up until that point I didn't know the game was beatable, because I didn't know when the shuffle point was. But I figured if he was playing it, it was beatable. We struck up a conversation and he asked if I counted cards and told me that when they changed dealers was the shuffle point. I had thought maybe that was the case, but didn't know for sure. I did tell him my first name, but never told him that I was a member on his forum. I don't know why. Well....I guess I do know why....thats the way I am.

A while later I saw him again playing again at Westin. He must have liked that set up. Or maybe it was just a close easy shot from where his condo was on the other side of the strip.

[MDawg]

As Rob pointed out...a preponderance of evidence.

Add to that, an alleged 20 years card counting most of it allegedly in Vegas and yet not one AP of any ilk knows him or of him other than the few who outed him as a red to green small timer playing only as cover for male prostitution, notwithstanding his repeated claims (admittedly, conflicting claims) of having played on blackjack teams.

What has he been DOING all these years? Obviously not playing blackjack. Vegas is not that big a town. Not that many casinos really, not enough to hide in playing as much as UNKewlJ claims, for so many years.

By a posteriori reasoning, the male prostitution makes sense - meaning, since he's obviously lying about blackjack, then what has he been doing?

I'm rather certain he has money from something he feels shame over.
Most likely a prostitute

[MisterV]

I suppose I can understand why a "Math Boy" like Wong was intrigued by DI, as the premise is that DI gives an advantage.

Of course one can never objectively quantify the advantage mathematically, and that fact, coupled to him and others not killing the casinos via Di probably soured him on the concept.

But in theory it holds together: if a shooter can actually control or influence the supposedly random outcome then they'd have an advantage against the casino.

[kewlJ]

As Rob pointed out...a preponderance of evidence.

Add to that, an alleged 20 years card counting most of it allegedly in Vegas and yet not one AP of any ilk knows him or of him other than the few who outed him as a red to green small timer playing only as cover for male prostitution, notwithstanding his repeated claims (admittedly, conflicting claims) of having played on blackjack teams.

What has he been DOING all these years? Obviously not playing blackjack. Vegas is not that big a town. Not that many casinos really, not enough to hide in playing as much as UNKewlJ claims, for so many years.

By a posteriori reasoning, the male prostitution makes sense - meaning, since he's obviously lying about blackjack, then what has he been doing?

Full Disclosure: I have again asked Dan Druff to do something about this Mdog person. If someone doesn't believe things I say....don't believe me...I really don't care, despite what these obsessed freaks think.

If Mdog has the need to troll me and others that publicly doubt his claims and story.. .fine. At least fine on this free speech forum.

BUT he should NOT be allowed to hijack every legitimate gambling discussion and thread with his obsessive bullshit.

Free speech or not, there comes a point when Dan Druff should make a call that somebody's ONLY agenda on this forum is to be as disruptive as possible. To make the forum experience as unpleasant for as many people as they can. these people are angry and bitter. Druff finally kicked blackhole to the curb for being such a person who's ONLY intent was to be disruptive. I think he should give consideration to doing the same with both coach belly and Mdog.

Dog doesn't even post his made up gambling stories and claims here anymore. ONLY trolls and attacks people. If Druff thinks there is some value to having Dog here, then at least limit his trolling to one or two threads. let him troll and attack to his hearts content and I wont even respond. Just limit it to one thread area...maybe the Dog pound.

Isn't that better than what we currently have were this guy wakes up every morning bumps half dozen thread only to troll, and then hijacks any legitimate discussion on top of it?

I have tried fighting back at the trolling. How about we try something else Dan Druff? Maybe move just a little bit back towards a gambling forum?

[coach belly]

How could someone prove what their intent was?

You could have cooperated with him and sent an email like he asked...several times.

But no, you're not capable of functioning in the "straight" world, your nature is to be difficult.

So you created a difficulty that now you are all twisted up about.

Send along your email to integritysports@aol.com. Thanks.

there's no need for me to email you my email; try using copy and paste.