Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
When you start to see a lot less over a significant number of trials....
How many trials are significant such that it would demonstrate a rigged shuffle?

How can you track a significant number of trials, if you are exiting the casino after showing your max bet?
How cute, coach belly STILL trying with his "gottch ya moments".

I tracked over 200 shoes at El cortez that I wasn't playing in. I don't know if shoes is the right word since we are talking double deck but EC DD is dealt from a shoe, so it works. But to be more specific over 200 times through the 2 decks until the shuffle.

I actually wasn't counting blackjacks like I mentioned earlier. That would be the easiest way to detect if the cards were arranged in anon-random way, but I was specifically looking for un-natural clumping, so what I did was count using hi-lo, every card just as if I was playing. I wanted to see how many of the "shoes" or times through the 2 decks went to either an unusually high or unusually low count. Depending on where the clump of 10 value cards were it could be either. (again read Dan Druffs excellent explanation as to this).

I then presented my findings to Don Schlesinger, who knows a thing or two about blackjack math. I believe 92% of shoes (maybe 94%, I forget) or times through the 2 decks reach a true count of either + or - 4. I knew that was way more than normal. Schlesinger confirmed as much. I think the normal range was 60 some percent.

Again read through Dan Druffs comments above to see just how clumping of 10 value can harm the player in a number of different ways. And that is before you get into the reduced blackjack from the section where there are fewer 10 value cards because of the clumping.

I really don't have a desire to go over this all again. I have moved on from it, although I still try to be vigilant when playing ASM.

In the end, what do I think I accomplished with exposing this. Well the 2 newer ASM (at the time) at El Cortez disappeared shortly after I made the post at Norms forum and someone else took the discussion to WoV. there were also a few other discussion and accusations of the same machines at around that same time, although not as detailed as the discussion I am responsible or linked to. And not to strain a muscle patting myself on the back, but together I think it may have slowed the spread of this activity. The small number of casinos that may have been willing to attempt to cheat in this manner, may have concluded it wouldn't be as easy to pull it off as they might have initially though.

Anyway, it is what it is. The next time some casinos have the opportunity to cheat blackjack or otherwise, (which has probably already occurred) probably at least some will do so. THAT is the nature of the business and who we are dealing with. All we as APs can hope for is to stay up to date and educated on the possibilities and be vigilant.
You're a good bullshitter but you get too much into details. This is the kinda well written bullshit thst had me repeating your nonsense. Even if you contacted schesslinger- your made up nonsense would have been believable to him.

See the big difference is these other guys tell tales and shoot for the moon. Your whole thing is to not have crazy tales and just be believable. There is a distinct differences in motivations if like you say Mdawg and Rob bs.

To this day no one had acknowledged meeting you who doesn't seem like another shit stirring troll like myself.

This is why I have a problem with it. I don't like to not knowing what I'm talking about. You were good enough to have me believing. You made me lose credibility. Those other guys IDGAF.

Get help.