The WoV Thread

[mickeycrimm]

And quite frankly the Mickey situation similarly shined a light on Mike's inflexibility and rigidness. There were pretty simple solutions suggested that would have allowed for Mickey, a highly valued member to continue to participate. Mainly that his posts would be monitored and not posted until a moderator had 'checked' them. Mickey seemed to be ok with that solution and at least one moderator had agreed to take on that responsibility, but rigid Mike, couldn't accept it. He couldn't be flexible enough to find a way, an outside the box way, to accommodate a very valuable member. Again, this is a major shortcoming of Mr. Michael Shackleford.

I was the one that suggested my posts should be monitored and read by a mod before they go up on WoV. That's the way they do it at vpFREE when someone is considered disruptive. The vpFREE Administrator told me I would be moderated because of my "middle of the night" posts. I thanked him for it. One thing I hate is reading one of my drunken posts when I'm sober.

So this is what happened after I was moderated. I came home drunk, made a drunk ass post with all kinds of filthy language in it....and it never got posted. The next day when I was sober I was happy about it. The next time I got drunk I did the same thing and it never got posted. The next time I came home drunk I was going to do the same thing but then thought what the hell for. Nobody is going to read it anyway. It actually broke me of the habit of writing drunk posts on vpFREE. No one is going to read it except the mod.

I'm still moderated there today even though I haven't had a drink in over a year. My posts there don't make it up on the site for like 12 to 24 hours. The mods have other things to do than wait for me to make a post. But it's really not that much of an inconvenience.

[kewlJ]

And quite frankly the Mickey situation similarly shined a light on Mike's inflexibility and rigidness. There were pretty simple solutions suggested that would have allowed for Mickey, a highly valued member to continue to participate. Mainly that his posts would be monitored and not posted until a moderator had 'checked' them. Mickey seemed to be ok with that solution and at least one moderator had agreed to take on that responsibility, but rigid Mike, couldn't accept it. He couldn't be flexible enough to find a way, an outside the box way, to accommodate a very valuable member. Again, this is a major shortcoming of Mr. Michael Shackleford.

I was the one that suggested my posts should be monitored and read by a mod before they go up on WoV. That's the way they do it at vpFREE when someone is considered disruptive. The vpFREE Administrator told me I would be moderated because of my "middle of the night" posts. I thanked him for it. One thing I hate is reading one of my drunken posts when I'm sober.

So this is what happened after I was moderated. I came home drunk, made a drunk ass post with all kinds of filthy language in it....and it never got posted. The next day when I was sober I was happy about it. The next time I got drunk I did the same thing and it never got posted. The next time I came home drunk I was going to do the same thing but then thought what the hell for. Nobody is going to read it anyway. It actually broke me of the habit of writing drunk posts on vpFREE. No one is going to read it except the mod.

I'm still moderated there today even though I haven't had a drink in over a year. My posts there don't make it up on the site for like 12 to 24 hours. The mods have other things to do than wait for me to make a post. But it's really not that much of an inconvenience.

First, on my travels today (well sunday) I was thinking about you and the sober time frame, knowing that it had to be approaching if not just past a year. So a very heart felt congratulations to you on that. You should take great pride in that accomplishment. I am proud of you and happy for you for what that's worth.

Second, again, this just highlights the lack of creativity and flexibility on the part of Mike. His inability to be flexible and come up with a similar solution, when it was suggested, just means that the entire membership at WoV has been deprived of your knowledge and the contributions of a valuable member that could and would have benefited many members and players.

To Mike, I say shame on you and don't ever again utter that nonsense about how your goal is to benefit the members and players to be better, more knowledgeable gamblers and players. You Mike, have proven that is bullshit!

[mickeycrimm]

The one thing in the SAP/WON thread that really stands out to me is the lack of input by axel. He's a prolific poster there but not is that thread. He's made three "one sentence" posts in the thread and they aren't even on topic. So I would like to dedicate this song to him:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sTQBfIgCx28pDa

[kewlJ]

The SAP/WON situation gets worse and worse. It's like an onion, the more you peel, the worse it gets.

Mission's part is actually pretty minor. He looks bad and didn't help himself as it played out. But there is a much bigger issue than Mission's part that he has taken the fall for. There are way too many people, both on and associated with that site, that looked the other way (at best), dating back to the SAP days, and certainly through various other handles WoN, JeffWarren and others.

The reputation and credibility of WoV has been on the decline for some time now. This situation is the fatal blow. That reputation and credibility can NOT be restored.

As per Axel's silence: I agree. Awful quiet for someone who usually has something to say about everything! Suspiciously quiet!

And actually I received a rather odd PM from him asking me to retract something that I had said on the matter. I did not do so. I am not going to go into the details, but it's....very weird.

[mickeycrimm]

The liberals in the Trump thread are just way out in la la land. They are figuring out all kinds of ways Andrew McCabe can still get the pension. And ams288 says "he'll be just fine." These people and their double standards between the Trumps and the Clintons are just whacko. Michael Flynn supposedly lied to the FBI. I say supposedly because it appears now he was tricked into pleading guilty. I suspect the judge will have something to say about that and may even vacate the conviction. But as it stands Flynn is a convicted felon. So now McCabe has been caught lying MULTIPLE TIMES to the FBI and these liberal weirdos in the Trump thread think he will "be just fine." A special prosecutor is coming and McCabe is going to be convicted of lying to the FBI just like Flynn. McCabe is headed for the big house with Comey, who lied under oath to Congress, right behind him.

[mickeycrimm]

And quite frankly the Mickey situation similarly shined a light on Mike's inflexibility and rigidness. There were pretty simple solutions suggested that would have allowed for Mickey, a highly valued member to continue to participate. Mainly that his posts would be monitored and not posted until a moderator had 'checked' them. Mickey seemed to be ok with that solution and at least one moderator had agreed to take on that responsibility, but rigid Mike, couldn't accept it. He couldn't be flexible enough to find a way, an outside the box way, to accommodate a very valuable member. Again, this is a major shortcoming of Mr. Michael Shackleford.

I was the one that suggested my posts should be monitored and read by a mod before they go up on WoV. That's the way they do it at vpFREE when someone is considered disruptive. The vpFREE Administrator told me I would be moderated because of my "middle of the night" posts. I thanked him for it. One thing I hate is reading one of my drunken posts when I'm sober.

So this is what happened after I was moderated. I came home drunk, made a drunk ass post with all kinds of filthy language in it....and it never got posted. The next day when I was sober I was happy about it. The next time I got drunk I did the same thing and it never got posted. The next time I came home drunk I was going to do the same thing but then thought what the hell for. Nobody is going to read it anyway. It actually broke me of the habit of writing drunk posts on vpFREE. No one is going to read it except the mod.

I'm still moderated there today even though I haven't had a drink in over a year. My posts there don't make it up on the site for like 12 to 24 hours. The mods have other things to do than wait for me to make a post. But it's really not that much of an inconvenience.

First, on my travels today (well sunday) I was thinking about you and the sober time frame, knowing that it had to be approaching if not just past a year. So a very heart felt congratulations to you on that. You should take great pride in that accomplishment. I am proud of you and happy for you for what that's worth.

Second, again, this just highlights the lack of creativity and flexibility on the part of Mike. His inability to be flexible and come up with a similar solution, when it was suggested, just means that the entire membership at WoV has been deprived of your knowledge and the contributions of a valuable member that could and would have benefited many members and players.

To Mike, I say shame on you and don't ever again utter that nonsense about how your goal is to benefit the members and players to be better, more knowledgeable gamblers and players. You Mike, have proven that is bullshit!

Thanks, KJ. This past Feb 28th completed one year of being sober.

[MaxPen]

So this is what bothers me. Maxpen thinks I am personally mad at him at times which I am not. I am trying to figure him out and the situation at WoV out. He questions me why am I talking about BBB and embarrassing her on this thread. I am not trying to embarrass anyone, I am only stating facts by the posts that these people post on WoV or over here. Sometimes the facts are from personal interactions. All I have heard for the last two years on these forums is how everyone is upright and honest and ethical but I keep seeing them jump back and forth from one side of the line to the next. I suppose at times I have done the same but I try to stay consistent as possible. So I think it is safe to say that Maxpen was asking for Missions head as was RS and the Boz and they got it. Mission resigned.Did not care about getting anyone's head. There were obvious exceptions made to protect a scoundrel victimizing people of a community that I participate in. The assigned fire watch was sleeping on duty. Possibly helping to strike the matches to burn the victims while off duty. Although the match striking seems to be less prevalent of a factor.

Maxpen says I am causing BBB problems What is the point of denigrating someone about physical capability whom you met and obviously thought enough of to treat them to a decent staycation. Why publicly mention you did that for her. It only makes her look like she might owe you something. Do you make public every interaction you have privately with someone? but if you go back to WoV and read my thread by PPP named Jumping Off a Cliff you will see that he makes this statement about an administrator over there and he quoted the Wizard and replied to the Wizards quote. If you don't believe me or think I am making it up you can read it at this link...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...off-a-cliff/4/

Now this is the Wizards Quote and the Reaction by Maxpen...

MaxPen
Joined:Feb 4, 2015Threads: 10Posts: 1575December 6th, 2017 at 12:32:38 PMpermalink

Wizard's Direct Quote:

Let me catch up here. I did not know that Monet and PingPangPong were the same person until today. I would never have allowed it.

Personally, I believe that multiple accounts is an immediately nukable offense. I have never allowed anyone to break that rule, except Buzz's second account. He only formed a second account because he lost his password and never denied his association to the first account. However, it set a terrible precedent, for which I'll take the blame. For that, I am sorry. It has supposedly always been a nukable offense. Monet violated it without knowing about it. It was condoned by the administration BBB and others. Wizard makes a bad audible and nukes Monet without addressing his administration's deficiencies.

Regarding the StrictlyAP allegation, I have asked the member who he is alleged to be for his version. If they are the same, he takes steps to use a different IP. I take the matter seriously.

I do think that we admins have drifted apart in our implementation of forum rules and we need to regroup and get on the same page.Really? That is pretty obvious. Credibility shitshow.

As for Money/PPP, I wish you well, elsewhere.

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Maxpens direct Quote(s):


December 6th, 2017 at 12:32:38 PM
So you had a rogue administrator allow the name change and the forum is out a contributor for life because of that administration error? Makes sense to me.....not.
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December 6th, 2017 at 1:14:24
But the point is a moderator allowed and condoned the name change.
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Maxpen is clearly calling out a rouge administrator and one can only gather he is talking about BBB since she is the one who posted the statements prior... so if your interested go back and read that thread and make your own decisions. I just can't figure out if he is on the side of the admins or not. At times it clearly seems like he is calling for their heads and at other times it seems he is defending them. I can't figure it out exactly.I tend to reside on whatever side is right in my mind. At this time it was definitely not the administration.

BBB gets caught up in a whirlwind after making this statement...

December 6th, 2017 at 6:10:32 AM
Monet412 is gone and will not return. I spoke to him about it after his 30 days was up.

Pingpangpong is a former member who has returned with a different name for AP professional reasons, and is a member in good standing. He, and I, would appreciate him not being the subject of any more of these type of posts. I'm sure his fellow AP's will understand this sometimes happens and stop. Thanks.She proved herself unfit for her duties once again this time beginning with that statement s

I never said anything about this not being the subject of any more of these types of posts nor was I consulted about it. I didn't care if people needled me about PPP... I thought it was a running joke.

Also if you read the thread you will see AxelWolf and others tell the Wizard he was the only one who didn't know.

This is what Ibeatyouraces had to say about the whole thing to BBB

December 6th, 2017 at 7:02:00 AM
Listen!!!! Those pictures were Monets!!! I DID NOT SAY THIS NEW PERSON WAS MONET!!!

FOR THE THIRD TIME..... YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN AS A MODERATOR HERE!!!!!!

And don't PM me about it. It will be deleted!

I think it is safe to say that Ibeatyouraces is calling for BBBs head!?

Maybe some of my responses will bring clarity to my thought processes and various comments

[monet]

Yes Maxpen, when people, especially gamblers or APs want to play this high and mighty morality, ethical card they don't get to have it both ways. It does not matter if it is something they say in private, public, on a forum or in person. When people make these claims they have to be held accountable for all actions in life. I obviously do not because I never claim such ridiculous notions. I freely admit I am a scoundrel or as some of you like to call me a POS or a scumbag or many other names. It is ok to go on a message board and point fingers and call each other names. However, it is not ok to talk about real life interactions. Your not going to fool me with that kind of double minded thinking.

I have not shamed anyone. I have not called anyone a direct, ugly, mean or hurtful name. When you play the honesty card... well honesty is brutally honest. The Truth or Honesty many times hurts. It is a piercing dagger or sword. My comment or observation was clearly an honest one. Did I say that I could never, ever work with such a person? No... I stated a fact and an obvious one. However, it is a very low chance, less than one percent. Just take for instance my own personal ways of going about gambling downtown. This is how it usually goes. I park downtown. I walk into one casino and pick up free play. I have to walk through the masses and if anyone goes downtown during the busy hours which is most of the day you have to weave in and out of traffic like a jackrabbit. So I will stop at 8 to 9 Casinos. Sometimes when I am ambitious I will walk to the El Cortez and sometimes when I am not I will start at the El Cortez and drive up near the Cal afterwards. It isn't easy it is a lot of hard, fast paced walking to check progressives which is what happens first. I take off all my free play at each Casino and while in each individual Casino I check all the Progressives. I don't even Vulch anything because it takes too much time away from the sweet spot at the Fremont. The Fremont has so many Progressives that sometimes what happens is something is above and beyond and I get stuck for hours on one machine over there. It might ruin my whole night. I might have to get a family member to come down after I lock up the machine and put them on it so I can move around a bit more freely or I may have found two progressives and I want to bang them both. This is only downtown mind you. Many times I have to wheel to the Palms, Wynn, A few Casinos in Henderson, Boulder Station or a Station Property... heck I might even drive all the way out to Red Rock to check the progressives or someone may have told me that the Red Rock has something up high. You see the work load and the point I am making. The way I do things isn't easy. It isn't like I just get the phone call like some team members and show up with the cash and put people to work. It isn't like someone calls me and I just go play one machine making 100s of dollars per hour. Now to be honest the Fremont is a gem because most of those progressives can net me from 75-125 per hour on average. You see what I have done here. Once again I have showed you and others that this Casino has playable machines that you will crush in the long run and make plenty of money at. Nobody and I mean nobody on these sites say these types of things or tells the ploppies this or tells the Casino. Doesn't bother me. I have been here far too long, actually I have been in town longer than most of you. I know what is going on. Not everything but enough. I also know that nobody can keep up with all the free money on the floor. It is everywhere. I realized that a long time ago. When one door closes they really do have a bunch of others open.

So I wasn't lying and I made an honest assessment about BBBs health condition. She couldn't handle the workload I have and to be honest I do it alone. You want more truth... I am not mad at anyone I don't have an axe to grind with her and she did me no wrong but she constantly kept hinting or asking me directly to put her to work or that she would like to play for me. Not in those words but I got the idea. I am thinking... wait I find a progressive at 8k like the day before I set her up in town and it took me about 6 hours to pop it off which netted me 5500. So I find something like this and I am going to call her and put her on it. Why in my right mind would I do that. First off... that game has swings that are brutal and I mean brutal. You might go home a thousand or two loser. Second a game like that locks up a lot and I mean a lot and you honest mother F'ers are going to get a ton of W2s. That doesn't matter to me but to all of you moral players it does. Next, why on earth would I pay someone or partner with someone to play that and have to give up the EV... I am not doing that! I am not an employer or a banker. The last thing is this and this is the big one. If I have to partner or put someone in action I have to trust them and I don't like that. I can't tell if they cheated me out of a 20 or 2000 dollars. You all are finding out what happens in the AP world when you trust people and WoN screws you.... that is clear. That isn't how I do things. Honestly I was broke and slept on the street for a long time in this town and all over the country figuring things out because I refused and still refuse to team up with players. I could go broke today and lose everything including my family and I am not going to ask anyone for a loan or to team up. That is me, that is how I am. These boards and members like you and others that respond to me do not know how to handle someone like me with my experience and independence. This is because it is very, very rare in the community so no matter what I will continue to discuss GAMBLING IN VEGAS and how things really are no matter what people think or tell me. They don't like the blunt force of my opinions or reactions or actions that isn't my fault.

I am self-employed. I am doing fine. I don't deal with egos... I am the boss of my own body.

Now it has always been clear that you have an independent mind but you surely don't express yourself on WoV like you are expressing yourself here with those GREEN remarks. The green is a little tough on the eyes, just my opinion if that matters. If you did you would be ban hammered long ago.

Honestly, what does it matter what I say over here? BBB and the Wizard aren't trolling this site to see what we all say are they?

[monet]

It’s also been exposed the complete underground at WOV knew all along what was going on for years. I would have to assume that very soon those threads about WON which have to exist for now in order for the operators to play dumb will soon be locked and fade away. They tried to ban the story out of the gate crying about exposing a real person. The guy was a hustling AP skumbag. They should have started a thread themselves with a huge wanted poster exposing everything about him. But, that wasn’t their first instinct. Their first instinct was to protect the traffic and the suckers who join online casinos and hopefully fall for a hustle from a hustling AP.

This is a quote from BBB just the other day.

[Quote]My inclination is to leave it open for a bit longer. There are people just seeing it today, and its purpose is to allow people to educate others if they had prior issues.

There have been a lot of side issues brought forward that didn't need to be in this thread and some unsupported allegations, but I think there are still accounts worth hearing, whether people tell them or not.

However, if Wizard, Zuga, or any of those above me want it closed, I will certainly not protest.

After they close the threads and they fade away, you'll see the activity of the primary AP hustlers re-appear like nothing ever happened. It's so in your face how the kings of the hustling AP's over their and every where else including here are all mum.

Monet, obviously has his finger on their pulse and people should be grateful for his information. Of course a couple of the hustlers like RS are looking to protect their scams in the face of the facts being exposed, but hopefully most innocents will catch on. Thanks Monet

No sweat. It is obvious after going back and re-reading that you informed the masses before myself so thank you as well.

The truth is I am not on anyone's side really. I am not buddy buddy with you or them. I just look at the posts and either agree or disagree.

The people that I really hate or the people that get me going are the ones trying to preach and teach all this high and mighty mumbo jumbo in the AP/Gambling World. That isn't difficult to expose or refute. Everyone knows anyone involved in Gaming is compromised in one way or another. I freely admit that I am compromised and will struggle with anyone who professes to be otherwise, Especially in the Gaming World.

About the Spring Fling 2018

You can see they are getting scared and starting to make things private and hide from the public world or view. This is the same thing that happened with the Full Tilt Scam... those poker players had to hide for awhile because the public was outraged. Eventually as always things cooled down years later and those pros are back to the table and in business again.

This reminds me of that guy on your local TBN channel lol... his name is Peter Popoff. This guy and his crew got caught with microphones and speakers in the ear with phony people in the audience. So what did the Pentecostal, TBN community do? They had to ban him for some time. Many years but eventually everyone forgot and he has been back on TV now with a new scam for something like 10 years or so giving people Miracle Water lol. Literally giving people free packets of tap water asking for donations. Once they give one donation they never stop getting hounded lol. This guy is currently worth about 10 million on the books.

[redietz]

[QUOTE=monet;61638]

This is a quote from BBB just the other day.

My inclination is to leave it open for a bit longer. There are people just seeing it today, and its purpose is to allow people to educate others if they had prior issues.

There have been a lot of side issues brought forward that didn't need to be in this thread and some unsupported allegations, but I think there are still accounts worth hearing, whether people tell them or not.

However, if Wizard, Zuga, or any of those above me want it closed, I will certainly not protest.

After they close the threads and they fade away, you'll see the activity of the primary AP hustlers re-appear like nothing ever happened. It's so in your face how the kings of the hustling AP's over their and every where else including here are all mum.

Monet, obviously has his finger on their pulse and people should be grateful for his information. Of course a couple of the hustlers like RS are looking to protect their scams in the face of the facts being exposed, but hopefully most innocents will catch on. Thanks Monet

No sweat. It is obvious after going back and re-reading that you informed the masses before myself so thank you as well.

The truth is I am not on anyone's side really. I am not buddy buddy with you or them. I just look at the posts and either agree or disagree.

The people that I really hate or the people that get me going are the ones trying to preach and teach all this high and mighty mumbo jumbo in the AP/Gambling World. That isn't difficult to expose or refute. Everyone knows anyone involved in Gaming is compromised in one way or another. I freely admit that I am compromised and will struggle with anyone who professes to be otherwise, Especially in the Gaming World.

About the Spring Fling 2018

You can see they are getting scared and starting to make things private and hide from the public world or view. This is the same thing that happened with the Full Tilt Scam... those poker players had to hide for awhile because the public was outraged. Eventually as always things cooled down years later and those pros are back to the table and in business again.

This reminds me of that guy on your local TBN channel lol... his name is Peter Popoff. This guy and his crew got caught with microphones and speakers in the ear with phony people in the audience. So what did the Pentecostal, TBN community do? They had to ban him for some time. Many years but eventually everyone forgot and he has been back on TV now with a new scam for something like 10 years or so giving people Miracle Water lol. Literally giving people free packets of tap water asking for donations. Once they give one donation they never stop getting hounded lol. This guy is currently worth about 10 million on the books.

Good Popoff reference, Monet. It was James Randi and assistants who busted him. Popoff and his crew eavesdropped and made notes regarding various audience members, then used the ear pieces to make it look as if Popoff was getting info "from the Lord."

I'm not sure you completely get me or get the sports gambling gig. I'm a white in shining armor when it coms to honestly reporting my statistics and what's possible to people and giving everybody the same plays weighted at the same values. When it comes to dealing with entities called casinos, I'm fine with something akin to the end of Stephen King's The Stand.

[pepe]

Why would anybody be an unpaid mod?

Power.

[blackhole]

I decided to share what I consider one of my interesting life stories here, simply to show that people on forum boards personal experiences with different types of Advantage Play could be much deeper than most think.

I had a very close friend who was a big shot in a firm on Wall Street. He advised me on several stocks to invest in over a period of about 9 months. I knew something wasn’t kosher with these wild profits in 9 months, since for most years I was always losing money on Wall Street investing on my own. But, I just stuck my head in the sand and kept quiet. All the stocks we invested in were big legitimate companies, or ones that did become big, that still trade today.

I was soon afterwards subpoenaed by the US attorney’s office and the SEC and then charged with 13 felonies. I knew nothing of what actually was going on with his firm and their Wall Street investments, but certainly went into a tail spin when charged with that many felonies. Mail fraud, wire fraud, skimming to defraud for personal gain, tax evasion, facilitating tax evasion, misleading a federal investigation, etc.etc. just to name a few that I remember.

I was able to prove innocent on 12 of the charges, but misleading a federal investigation is the one they wanted to stick and get me to face a sentencing judge for. I did lie early on and they hate liars.

After three and a half years of legal battles between my attorneys and the DOJ, SEC, and IRS we eventually settled on full disgorgement of all profits with penalties and interest in exchange for the final charge to be dropped.

My attorney fees, penalties, and interest for this mess along with what the IRS did to me, makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about it.

What really bothered me was I already achieved my place in life prior to this 9-month incident, and afterwards many alleged (envious) friends were saying “oh, know wonder how he bought that house or did this or that” Everyone knew because my name along with several others were blasted in all the local and big newspapers several times over the years about what was happening during the investigation.

So, I guess it’s safe to say that Advantage Play comes in all shapes and sizes.

[monet]

Good Popoff reference, Monet. It was James Randi and assistants who busted him. Popoff and his crew eavesdropped and made notes regarding various audience members, then used the ear pieces to make it look as if Popoff was getting info "from the Lord."

I'm not sure you completely get me or get the sports gambling gig. I'm a white in shining armor when it coms to honestly reporting my statistics and what's possible to people and giving everybody the same plays weighted at the same values. When it comes to dealing with entities called casinos, I'm fine with something akin to the end of Stephen King's The Stand.

Redietz , you could very well be the exception and not the rule. I don't know your posts well enough. I try to stick to information and subjects that I know. That is why I come off like some know it all or encyclopedia. I am not going to try to debate others in their field or line of work. I only know my line of work or my own experiences. I can only dissect information that I am familiar with. Over at WoV they have plenty of Machine players or Teams so I can get into it with them. The problem is they really can't understand someone like me who has been under the radar for over 25 years. They never seen me because I was alone and never partnered with anyone. A few Vegas Locals know me because they were here before me and met me through the old Poker Room days in the early and mid and late 90s. However that is about 3 people. Most of those other guys are too old or out of town these days.

I will say this about bad guys or the Mafia Guys. With those type of people you knew where you stood and you had to respect them. They wouldn't hurt you or cause you trouble unless you caused them trouble. What I really like about them is that they were bad guys and they told you they were bad guys and they Liked Being bad guys. None of this phony BS about we are the Christian APs of the world and we don't hurt anyone and we don't lie, cheat or steal. We are the victims lol. Yes the Street Wise Guys let you know where you stood right off the bat.

I don't know much about BJ and the famous people in BJ or the crews that is why you don't see me get into that subject. I don't know much about the sports book world either and that seems to be your expertise and that is why you never hear word one about you in my posts. As I have said before... I try very hard to stick to what I know personally. If I was lying or I was wrong or made mistakes that is fine I have no problem with that. You have to give Mission credit. He comes in here or other websites and answers almost all the questions if not all of them and refutes me or others where he can. You don't see anyone else doing that and you would think you would see that from the Wizard or Axel or Romes or whoever else you can think of but no they don't say word one. The Wizard should be apologetic over and over on his site about this WoN thing but no he just sticks to his guns about he didn't know anything and Monet caused us to ban WoN in the end otherwise WoN would of been a member for a few months longer. It is a crock of Betty Crocker BS and anyone who eats those cookies is going to get a stomach ache eventually.

The best you see is RS coming in here and saying one or two sentences without anything to back it up and it usually is just sarcasm.

[monet]

Keep digging down that rabbit hole, Monet. It’s probably not healthy to go down a road where everything’s made up fiction in your mind. But go ahead, you do you.

An obvious threat. I can't live forever. I always wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. Any Time , Any Place, Anywhere has been my motto.

[monet]

Your bible lesson for the day!

Proverbs 13:3 King James Version (KJV).

He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.

[redietz]

Cosa Nostra, monet, Cosa Nostra, not that other word.

I'm going to claim copyright on this, but when people say, "The ----- isn't in Las Vegas any longer," my response is along the lines of, "Well, that's true only if you think dinosaurs are actually extinct." The ornithologists among you will understand my subtext.

[RS__]

This reminds me of that guy on your local TBN channel lol... his name is Peter Popoff. This guy and his crew got caught with microphones and speakers in the ear with phony people in the audience. So what did the Pentecostal, TBN community do? They had to ban him for some time. Many years but eventually everyone forgot and he has been back on TV now with a new scam for something like 10 years or so giving people Miracle Water lol. Literally giving people free packets of tap water asking for donations. Once they give one donation they never stop getting hounded lol. This guy is currently worth about 10 million on the books.

You shut your whore mouth. Peter Popoff is a saint and gives us Miracle Water free of charge. Are you trying to hurt my feelings and attack me on purpose, bro?

[RS__]

Keep digging down that rabbit hole, Monet. It’s probably not healthy to go down a road where everything’s made up fiction in your mind. But go ahead, you do you.

An obvious threat. I can't live forever. I always wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. Any Time , Any Place, Anywhere has been my motto.

I’m not threatening anyone. Just saying you’ll go crazy living in your own mind of make believe.

[Prozema]

I just found this thread. It's a WOV greatest hits album... Except all the original band members are still playing... All Roth / No Haggar.

What other forums am I missing?

[monet]

I just found this thread. It's a WOV greatest hits album... Except all the original band members are still playing... All Roth / No Haggar.

What other forums am I missing?

Before you go to another site you might want to read the threads that I started on this site first. First for entertainment and second for some information that according to RS will net you some BIG .5% advantage. Don't worry though... as time goes by and when I feel like it I'm gonna break down other information to make you easier, faster money. When I get done with some real life work and get back to scouting I'm gonna take pictures of machines and find mistakes in the Casino and promotions and I'm gonna just keep posting it publicly for all to enjoy. So stay tuned in and check back regularly for new updated information.

The idea of censorship or suppression of information is over these days and more difficult to thrwart. Some famous guy in history long ago said... give me liberty or give me death. They gave him death of course.