Electronic Blackjack - hit after doubling down.

[smurgerburger]

No amount of Hollywooding is going to give you 20 years of play in the same town.

[kewlJ]

I guess I should add one caveat. Players can and do over. Do any kind of "act" they adopt.

If you are going to see some of the same pit folks and even dealers and they see you win frequently, and then all of the sudden you pretend not to know of you should hit 14 vs 19 or double 11 vs 6, your act will fail and do much more harm that good.

But be selective in specific situations and you have zero cost cover that is valuable to longevity.

[kewlJ]

No amount of Hollywooding is going to give you 20 years of play in the same town.

Not by itself. It is one of many tools.

I also have a story of not me but other well known players adopting a gay "persona". Two of them actually. The thinking was that even a pit guy that personally doesn't like gays, will hesitate to back off such a person. Especially with women at the table.

It might be the case, but it also creates a situation where you are more easily remembered on a return visit. And THAT is more harm than good.

[Rob.Singer]

I guess I should add one caveat. Players can and do over. Do any kind of "act" they adopt.

If you are going to see some of the same pit folks and even dealers and they see you win frequently, and then all of the sudden you pretend not to know of you should hit 14 vs 19 or double 11 vs 6, your act will fail and do much more harm that good.

But be selective in specific situations and you have zero cost cover that is valuable to longevity.

And you don't think others here have "adopted" to your bullshit?

[smurgerburger]

Come to think of it doesn't KJ's argument against Mdawg, that he wouldn't be allowed to win in the way that he has, work against KJ himself?

In other words they would notice that he's winning $100k per casino (or whatever) over a long stretch of play at a relatively low average bet.

[kewlJ]

Come to think of it doesn't KJ's argument against Mdawg, that he wouldn't be allowed to win in the way that he has, work against KJ himself?

In other words they would notice that he's winning $100k per casino (or whatever) over a long stretch of play at a relatively low average bet.

Haven't we been over this a hundred (or more) times? I am not sure if you are stupid (I don't think so) or just playing stupid, but you are pretty convincing.

When I wore out my welcome in Atlantic City and moved to Vegas 15 years ago (not 20), I specifically came up with and implemented a plan that I thought and hoped would allow for some longevity. It isn't any one thing, but a hundred different little things, many that I have shared or mentioned from time to time. A couple smaller or minor things mentioned today.

But the big things are 1) playing unrated. This makes it harder for casinos to track your long-term results over many different sessions. Harder but not impossible if they are good.

2), short sessions. This makes it less likely that any one session will be a huge winning session....the kind that someone has to answer for. THAT is a definite thing would want to avoid.

3) playing amounts and spread that are well tolerated. Max Bets of under $500 ($500 a key threshold) are pretty well tolerated at most mid size and larger casinos for short periods of time.

4) a large rotation of games. THIS is actually one of the strengths of Las Vegas. Not the greatest games in the country but many playable games. I always had a rotation of 30 casinos or more, many of them with multiple pits. This is so you don't see the same people daily or even weekly. You might see them once or twice a month. Guess what that is exactly like a non-AP player.

These are the principal points of the plan I designed and implemented for about 12 years. The last several years since covid a little different playing higher stakes during busy times.

But then there are many, many smaller things.

It is best not to be the largest bettor at the table.

Chip inventory allows you to skip the buy-in and first interaction with pit.

Like wise, don't color up. And don't cash out immediately after playing.

If I do buy-in for cash it is for a small amount. several of my smaller bets. You can always buy-in for more if the count warrants it. But it avoid the big tell of buying in for $2000 and betting $25. That screams card counter, and I will be betting big at some point.

Exiting at the shuffle after showing your top wager. This avoids the huge tell of a card counter of retreating back to smaller wagers and fits nicely with short sessions.

Card counter Basic Strategy, so as not to play the same hand differently. Another sign of a card counter.

Other "cover plays" and act like I mentioned earlier today.

Any of this sound familiar? It is the whole package. Every little thing contributes to longevity and being welcome to play.

And in the event that something occurred that is problematic, like a backoff, or other heat issue, including database entries, you have to be able to know that and avoid that casino for a little while.

Now contrast that to a guy who plays rated, so they know exactly what he wins or losses. A guy who claims to spread 1-50 ($100-$5000), which is definitely outside every casinos comfort level. A guy who tells us he plays 10 hours straight winning $60k at a time. AND that the casinos just don't care about long-term winning players.

Take off your troll and hater hat and answer honestly. Which of these scenarios make more sense to you. Which of these scenarios is used by other real and known players now or in the past. Which is real and which is a guy telling a story. Don't be afraid to answer honestly. Everyone already knows.

[smurgerburger]

Actually all of these are irrelevant to my point except (4), which was already factored into my argument (you're supposed to be up $1m or whatever it is which I divided by 10 to account for the winnings occuring at multiple casinos).

I specifically referred to the problem of large cumulative win, not big scores, not getting noticed for big buy ins, not having chip inventories to avoid CTRs.

You may not be aware of this (though you certainly would if your story were true), but pit bosses make profiles in the system even for unrated players.

The main purpose is to track the unrated players for CTR compliance, and the pit bosses are pretty good about linking people to their profile by appearance. They may not get you every time and if you can avoid playing across shifts you should be able to keep separate profiles (just speculating on that), but they can definitely put together a decent record of your cumulative result.

Which of course would create quite the problem for you, since $100k is way past the tolerance threshold at the local type casinos you say you play. (Actually $100k at the bet sizes you claim will probably get looked at anywhere if anyone notices in the first place.)

But that's assuming it even goes that far, because the pit will notice your cumulative win well before that, and putting it together with the obvious indicators of counting, they'd back you off. (And think for a moment how bad it would be for them if a shift supervisor notices first and says - "So you've been letting this guy play for 10 years and he's up $100,000 and you never thought he might be up to something?")

[kewlJ]

Actually all of these are irrelevant to my point except (4), which was already factored into my argument (you're supposed to be up $1m or whatever it is which I divided by 10 to account for the winnings occuring at multiple casinos).

I specifically referred to the problem of large cumulative win, not big scores, not getting noticed for big buy ins, not having chip inventories to avoid CTRs.

You may not be aware of this (though you certainly would if your story were true), but pit bosses make profiles in the system even for unrated players.

The main purpose is to track the unrated players for CTR compliance, and the pit bosses are pretty good about linking people to their profile by appearance. They may not get you every time and if you can avoid playing across shifts you should be able to keep separate profiles (just speculating on that), but they can definitely put together a decent record of your cumulative result.

Which of course would create quite the problem for you, since $100k is way past the tolerance threshold at the local type casinos you say you play. (Actually $100k at the bet sizes you claim will probably get looked at anywhere if anyone notices in the first place.)

But that's assuming it even goes that far, because the pit will notice your cumulative win well before that, and putting it together with the obvious indicators of counting, they'd back you off. (And think for a moment how bad it would be for them if a shift supervisor notices first and says - "So you've been letting this guy play for 10 years and he's up $100,000 and you never thought he might be up to something?")

According to my records, which are meticulous, and I am sure much more accurate than any casino has, I have only a couple casinos where my cumulative win is 6 figures. Several more reasonably close. The 30 casinos that I have in my rotation at any given time aren't necessarily the same 30 for the last 15 years. Some have closed, others opened or re-opened. Some the conditions worsened, and I dropped them, a few conditions improve and are added. This one doesn't happen often but it does happen. So my individual casino records for blackjack play in Las Vegas comprise 50-60 casinos, not just 30. Additionally, I make several trip a year to other locations to play blackjack. Almost always 1 or 2 trips to Pa area to play blackjack and visit friends. I play a little bit in California, the Gulf Coast areas, Arizona, Colorado, The Pacific Northwest, although not often, and for a while Reno at least once a year, sometimes twice a year, although I don't see myself returning to Reno anytime. Just too much problems that follow you home. All told I have well over 100, probably over 120 casinos that I have cumulative numbers for. And of 1.6 million in blackjack earnings, do the math. That is an average of $16,000 per casino. Now like I said there are some much higher. But that is what spreading your play around is all about.

And the unrated part is huge. Yes, casinos can still track you if you are a regular player that has drawn their attention. But that is what you are working hard to avoid. And when evaluations are ordered on an anonymous player, which takes 30 minutes or more, and that player exits during the evaluation (short session), you know what happen? That partial evaluation is trash. With a player playing rated, they can save that partial and pick up next time. With an anonymous player, it is trash can material. I learned that from my pit friend.

You mentioned CTR, that is another reason to play short sessions. Sort of already mentioned with the not creating situations someone has to answer for. You still could have a big win session, where you do really well on the big bets for a shoe or two, but they become much more rare.

Look, dude, You can believe what you want. And you will. That is fine. But it is like mickey said, you know the truth. You and the other haters. It isn't what you want it to be, so you I guess are lying to yourself. THAT makes a lot of sense.

For the record, I never really shared exactly many of the things I do and techniques I employ that allow for longevity, in one post like I just did. I have always shared little tidbits here and there, so player might read and find something that can benefit their own game and situation. But I never showed the whole plan in one place like that. I can only now do that because that is no longer the way I play. At least not the majority. That was the mid-level mid level plan that I was for about 12 years here in Vegas. I am on to something else now.

[smurgerburger]

So now it's 60 casinos and travelling to multiple states to play.

[kewlJ]

So now it's 60 casinos and travelling to multiple states to play.

Give it a rest dude. You are lying to yourself, so I don't expect you to come clean and admit what you know in your heart.

hey maybe THAT is the problem. You are the tin man. No heart.

[tableplay]

He just used a hypothetical $ amount to illustrate a point.

Bingo. By all means play the max bet as your initial bet. Good Lord.
I have never played any glitched BJ machine (I don't count the 3 to 2 for a black jack after a split on some older IGT Game Kings that I played as a glitched machine - it's an oddball setting or unintended setting but it has nothing to do with this glitch that KewlJ is describing). I was giving a strategy example within the context of KewlJ's glitched machine. Basically, the ability to quadruple one's bet is a very powerful aspect of this glitch. I'm sure we can all think of other examples to exploit the quadrupling of one's initial bet - I was giving one example. I'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread understood what I was trying to write (you certainly did), it was extremely simple.

[MDawg]

And the unrated part is huge.

I pointed out the contradictions in his story, more than once long ago:
Part of where the UNKewl one keeps tripping himself up is in contradictions. He talks about how he barely wins $50. average in a session. At other times talks about how he buys in for so little chips - in the region of $150. - $250. - that he draws no attention to himself. Then he talks about how he declined to start another session because he was $3000. short of the "mandatory" $7000. he needs to play. Very contradictory.

I also pointed out that his entire fictionalized blackjack story fit too neatly into a "I won exactly what was expected" - someone else, I believe it was AccountInQuestion, mentioned that someone playing like that, unrated, no consistent play, couldn't even know exactly what his handle (amount passed over the circle) was, to begin to figure out what was "expected" over a period of many years.

Well, now others too know that it was all fiction. All neatly packaged into something he read about, and assumed.

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

Red to green spread, never amounting to much of anything. SeedValue was right.

That's heavy, to be labeled

Dude is a fraud.

Idiot keeps trying to deflect the fact that he was caught in a series of monstrous lies as something to do with "popularity."

It's actually pretty remarkably amusing that UNKewlJ even continues to post, anywhere, he must realize that he's made an utter fool of himself and that everyone knows he's been lying, about a great many things. That's the nature of pathology though. It's one thing to be doubted another to be caught dead to rights. And quite another to go on pretending that anyone believes a word you have to say.

UNKewlJ has also consistently contradicted himself – unable to keep to the same story. One day he’s never ever played rated, next day he talks about all the comps he racked up at table games. Not too different from how she

can't even keep track of how many years she supposedly went to college, or the day of the week where she received her ACH settlement? (Or how long it might take to re-program a shuffling machine.)

Thirty-three UNKewl lies, and counting.

Tater/Moses once described it as a nervous poodle barking at a glass of water.

[Rob.Singer]

Actually all of these are irrelevant to my point except (4), which was already factored into my argument (you're supposed to be up $1m or whatever it is which I divided by 10 to account for the winnings occuring at multiple casinos).

I specifically referred to the problem of large cumulative win, not big scores, not getting noticed for big buy ins, not having chip inventories to avoid CTRs.

You may not be aware of this (though you certainly would if your story were true), but pit bosses make profiles in the system even for unrated players.

The main purpose is to track the unrated players for CTR compliance, and the pit bosses are pretty good about linking people to their profile by appearance. They may not get you every time and if you can avoid playing across shifts you should be able to keep separate profiles (just speculating on that), but they can definitely put together a decent record of your cumulative result.

Which of course would create quite the problem for you, since $100k is way past the tolerance threshold at the local type casinos you say you play. (Actually $100k at the bet sizes you claim will probably get looked at anywhere if anyone notices in the first place.)

But that's assuming it even goes that far, because the pit will notice your cumulative win well before that, and putting it together with the obvious indicators of counting, they'd back you off. (And think for a moment how bad it would be for them if a shift supervisor notices first and says - "So you've been letting this guy play for 10 years and he's up $100,000 and you never thought he might be up to something?")

According to my records, which are meticulous, and I am sure much more accurate than any casino has, I have only a couple casinos where my cumulative win is 6 figures. Several more reasonably close. The 30 casinos that I have in my rotation at any given time aren't necessarily the same 30 for the last 15 years. Some have closed, others opened or re-opened. Some the conditions worsened, and I dropped them, a few conditions improve and are added. This one doesn't happen often but it does happen. So my individual casino records for blackjack play in Las Vegas comprise 50-60 casinos, not just 30. Additionally, I make several trip a year to other locations to play blackjack. Almost always 1 or 2 trips to Pa area to play blackjack and visit friends. I play a little bit in California, the Gulf Coast areas, Arizona, Colorado, The Pacific Northwest, although not often, and for a while Reno at least once a year, sometimes twice a year, although I don't see myself returning to Reno anytime. Just too much problems that follow you home. All told I have well over 100, probably over 120 casinos that I have cumulative numbers for. And of 1.6 million in blackjack earnings, do the math. That is an average of $16,000 per casino. Now like I said there are some much higher. But that is what spreading your play around is all about.

And the unrated part is huge. Yes, casinos can still track you if you are a regular player that has drawn their attention. But that is what you are working hard to avoid. And when evaluations are ordered on an anonymous player, which takes 30 minutes or more, and that player exits during the evaluation (short session), you know what happen? That partial evaluation is trash. With a player playing rated, they can save that partial and pick up next time. With an anonymous player, it is trash can material. I learned that from my pit friend.

You mentioned CTR, that is another reason to play short sessions. Sort of already mentioned with the not creating situations someone has to answer for. You still could have a big win session, where you do really well on the big bets for a shoe or two, but they become much more rare.

Look, dude, You can believe what you want. And you will. That is fine. But it is like mickey said, you know the truth. You and the other haters. It isn't what you want it to be, so you I guess are lying to yourself. THAT makes a lot of sense.

For the record, I never really shared exactly many of the things I do and techniques I employ that allow for longevity, in one post like I just did. I have always shared little tidbits here and there, so player might read and find something that can benefit their own game and situation. But I never showed the whole plan in one place like that. I can only now do that because that is no longer the way I play. At least not the majority. That was the mid-level mid level plan that I was for about 12 years here in Vegas. I am on to something else now.

If you and your lies and made-up stories were true, you'd be able to explain your original bs in the same type of shorter, very succinct posts that these guys are tearing your baloney up with.

Rather, because all you ever do is come up with zero-value excuses, adoptive counter-tales, and ineffective flailing that always fails to convince, you ramble on thinking "I got 'em!" when you never, ever do.

Bbbbbbutttt.....THATS NOT HOW CASINOS AND LV WORK!!

What an idiot.

[MDawg]

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

[Garnabby]

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

Right up there with Mission146, over the years, who totally fucked off with a bit of money owed. Like who can care less about those posters, or, in general, the gambling forums. Years and years of garbage that people can't get over even after the bottom falls out. (Mission planning his comeback? Lol.)

[jdog]

So not specifically mentioning the re-doubling down was not unintentional... But I really did assume most would understand that.

See here's how you get into trouble. You could have just said you didn't realize initially that a re-double was possible, which would be very believable. But you won't because you always have to project the image that you know everything, so you lie and claim you always knew.

It is best not to be the largest bettor at the table.
Chip inventory allows you to skip the buy-in and first interaction with pit.
Like wise, don't color up. And don't cash out immediately after playing.
If I do buy-in for cash it is for a small amount. several of my smaller bets. You can always buy-in for more if the count warrants it. But it avoid the big tell of buying in for $2000 and betting $25. That screams card counter, and I will be betting big at some point.
Exiting at the shuffle after showing your top wager. This avoids the huge tell of a card counter of retreating back to smaller wagers and fits nicely with short sessions.

Good stuff here, it looks plausible that you spend a good amount of time at the tables. Stick to this kind of posting and you won't have so many problems.

[jdog]

...

[MDawg]

So not specifically mentioning the re-doubling down was not unintentional... But I really did assume most would understand that.

See here's how you get into trouble. You could have just said you didn't realize initially that a re-double was possible, which would be very believable. But you won't because you always have to project the image that you know everything, so you lie and claim you always knew.

It is best not to be the largest bettor at the table.
Chip inventory allows you to skip the buy-in and first interaction with pit.
Like wise, don't color up. And don't cash out immediately after playing.
If I do buy-in for cash it is for a small amount. several of my smaller bets. You can always buy-in for more if the count warrants it. But it avoid the big tell of buying in for $2000 and betting $25. That screams card counter, and I will be betting big at some point.
Exiting at the shuffle after showing your top wager. This avoids the huge tell of a card counter of retreating back to smaller wagers and fits nicely with short sessions.

Good stuff here, it looks plausible that you spend a good amount of time at the tables. Stick to this kind of posting and you won't have so many problems.

The better lies worn smooth through years of use.

The not so good lies? The ones UNKewLyingJ didn't have time to perfect.

Next time you want to tell a whopper, talk to me and lets walk through it. I'll only charge you $200.

But, all lies nonetheless.

I pointed out the contradictions in his story, more than once long ago:
Part of where the UNKewl one keeps tripping himself up is in contradictions. He talks about how he barely wins $50. average in a session. At other times talks about how he buys in for so little chips - in the region of $150. - $250. - that he draws no attention to himself. Then he talks about how he declined to start another session because he was $3000. short of the "mandatory" $7000. he needs to play. Very contradictory.

I also pointed out that his entire fictionalized blackjack story fit too neatly into a "I won exactly what was expected" - someone else, I believe it was AccountInQuestion, mentioned that someone playing like that, unrated, no consistent play, couldn't even know exactly what his handle (amount passed over the circle) was, to begin to figure out what was "expected" over a period of many years.

UNKewlJ has also consistently contradicted himself – unable to keep to the same story. One day he’s never ever played rated, next day he talks about all the comps he racked up at table games. Not too different from how she

can't even keep track of how many years she supposedly went to college, or the day of the week where she received her ACH settlement? (Or how long it might take to re-program a shuffling machine.)

Thirty-three UNKewl lies, and counting.

Tater/Moses once described it as a nervous poodle barking at a glass of water.

[pinchingyourballs]

If you're tallying his fibs, consider his latest claim that his mother reads this forum and discusses it with him

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post178707

[accountinquestion]

<waves>

I'd like to say hi to kewlj's mom reading out there.

Kewlmom, you should post on the forum. Get an account. Kewlmom works and is available.