I've never been a government employee. Can you say the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
For private businesses, which employee benefits do the employers profit from?
Printable View
I've never been a government employee. Can you say the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
For private businesses, which employee benefits do the employers profit from?
Any place there is a large concentration of money you will find people on the fringes picking up every bit that is allowed to spill out of the proverbial bowl. Those people are definitely takng part in a parasitic role.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetAlright, I must of missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Probably a personal argument between you and Coach.
I should just keep my nose out of your guys business.
Flipped around and confused as usual. Any educated reasonably intelligent person understands those are 2 totally different questions even if related.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyOnly a difference of any consequence in the mind of an ignorant hillbilly like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Please Belly, for your own pride, nap it out.
I was a government employee when I was in the military. I owned a company that at its peak employed 23 people. I didn't profit from any benefits paid to employees. Those expenses were calculated as labor burden and the employees pay package was determined with that factored in. An employee needed to produce more than they cost in order for me to stay in business. So their production was raked appropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI've never been a government employee. Can you say the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
For private businesses, which employee benefits do the employers profit from?
Thanks M8. By the way I just noticed that Led Zeppelin stole Donovan's Season of the Witch melody (1966) in their song Ramble On (1969).Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI know you are being serious as a heart attack with this post but it still made me laugh but I have a twisted sense of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Yum Sing!
Which means Nostrovia or Cheers in your case.
I'm a weirdo handjob now.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyGet out of here with that weak shit and get a grip, you weirdo handjob.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quit
Verb
STOP, CEASE, QUIT, DISCONTINUE, DESIST mean to suspend or cause to suspend activity
I still think that is better than retard.
If you don't know the difference between pausing and quitting then not sure what to tell you. One word implies intent to start back up and the other doesn't.
We'll see if you can figure out which is which.
What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
"Why does an AP have to retire" = why must an AP retire.
There are reasons why an AP must retire...whether you are aware of them or not, they do exist.
The reasons why an AP must retire are a subset of the reasons of why he would retire.
If you cannot conceive of why an AP must retire, then you have not considered the reasons why he would retire.
You follow, pinhead?
'why must' is not the same as 'why would'. This is like 'quitting' vs 'pausing'. They're not the same either.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyWhat the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
"Why does an AP have to retire" = why must an AP retire.
There are reasons why an AP must retire...whether you are aware of them or not, they do exist.
The reasons why an AP must retire are a subset of the reasons of why he would retire.
If you cannot conceive of why an AP must retire, then you have not considered the reasons why he would retire.
You follow, pinhead?
You're a real weirdo. Your peculiarities must be puzzling to those who have had the misfortune of knowing you personally.
Babbling retard, I'm not going to respond further.
The AP-haters are going strong tonight. Every once in a while this occurs. They can't help show their bitterness.
I will stipulate that you are unsure what the meaning of the words are.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Webster defines quit as suspend.
Does suspend imply an intent not to start back up?
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
EAT IT!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I read this every once in awhile to get motivated.
Wait till I get another monster parlay on the MLB.
Coming Soon to a post near you!
I'm Fucking Hot Sucker!!
dannyj and monet... Wonder Twin Parlay Powers ACTIVATE...
quit and pause are both defined as suspend...they are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
If you can't conceive of any reason why an AP must retire, then you haven't considered all of the reasons why he would retire.
Can you conceive of any reason why an AP must retire?
I'm on drugs.
lol
I got the giggles.
Your problem, Alan, is, instead of just addressing self-employed AP's about retirement, you need to address restaurant owners, drywall contractors, flower shop owners, insurance salespeople, pet store owners, etc., etc., etc. That is, everyone, absolutely everyone that owns a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What do you have to say about that 30 year drywall contractor who never had an employer pay into a 401K for him, or pay healthcare premiums for him?
Now, who did you say paid for your 401K? Who did you say paid your healthcare premiums? Do you say your employers paid for it? Yes, I think you did. I've got news for you, Alan. They didn't pay a dime for you. YOU PAID THE WHOLE THING!!
It was part of your wage benefit package. There are two ways for you to get money into your 401K. You can either pay cash or pay for it with your labor. YOU CHOSE TO PAY FOR IT WITH YOUR LABOR.
If you hadn't put in the labor how much would your employer have paid? Same for your healthcare premiums. You paid for it, Alan. No one else.
Since you think this is stupid crap then how stupid is it to think that someone else paid for your 401K and healthcare premiums? Only stupid people think someone else did.
So simple even a hobo can understand. Yet for some reason the resident reporter has no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYour problem, Alan, is, instead of just addressing self-employed AP's about retirement, you need to address restaurant owners, drywall contractors, flower shop owners, insurance salespeople, pet store owners, etc., etc., etc. That is, everyone, absolutely everyone that owns a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What do you have to say about that 30 year drywall contractor who never had an employer pay into a 401K for him, or pay healthcare premiums for him?
Now, who did you say paid for your 401K? Who did you say paid your healthcare premiums? Do you say your employers paid for it? Yes, I think you did. I've got news for you, Alan. They didn't pay a dime for you. YOU PAID THE WHOLE THING!!
It was part of your wage benefit package. There are two ways for you to get money into your 401K. You can either pay cash or pay for it with your labor. YOU CHOSE TO PAY FOR IT WITH YOUR LABOR.
If you hadn't put in the labor how much would your employer have paid? Same for your healthcare premiums. You paid for it, Alan. No one else.
Since you think this is stupid crap then how stupid is it to think that someone else paid for your 401K and healthcare premiums? Only stupid people think someone else did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
When working with an advantage the recurring sum of net edge times volume equals the earn. Stop win/stop loss are not part of the equation. Only negative expectation gamblers operate under the stop win/stop loss premise.
Coach, your whole schtick is to wait for people to say specific things and then shoot down one or two of a hundred statements. I'm just asking you to make some specific statements. Do a little research. Find some specific "bullshitting" examples. Then we can have some fun. Man, you don't like it when the Socratic shoe is on the other foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI don't gotta provide examples, freak, I don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Send a letter to Slattery if you don't like it.
Maybe he'll have time for your nonsense after his all his nonsense lawsuits against the federal government are dismissed.
Hey... if you guys all have great retirement and health plans set up then that's terrific! Congratulations.
What do the Fuck do I need all that shit for??Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I got Hundred Dollar Bills YO!
How many examples do I need to post before you admit to being full of shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm looking for a number here, ditz, no martian mumbo-jumbo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Did you see any of the regular APs that post here have any problems when stuff shut down for months and they had no income from their AP activities? It may as well have been years for a lot of them. Wouldn't have made a difference.
I know that you cannot comprehend that as you jones for your monthly check in order to hit the craps table for a week or two. But it is what it is.
How much money is needed before whether or not you have a pension check is even relevant?
I would suggest that you are not locking up profit at all. What age were you when you first started gambling? How many sessions have you gambled in your lifetime? What was the outcome of all of them? But let's make it easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Example:
You've gambled exactly 3 sessions in your life.
First session you lost a thousand dollars.
Second session you lost 500 dollars.
3rd session you stopped/paused for the day when you got 500 dollars ahead.
So.....you locked up the profit? What profit? You're still 1000 dollars stuck.
What I'm suggesting to you negative expectation gamblers the only way you can show a profit is by creative bookeeping. In other words, an artificial starting point. If you go back and include every session you ever played in your life in the statistics....you are a big time loser. And you, Alan, have admitted to never having a winning year.
LOL the Sharks beat the Knights so it's going to be damn near impossible for the Knights to make the playoffs.
Good!
I'm Glad.
Their Front Office totally FUBARED that team.
And DISH Network can suck it too since they won't let me watch any of the Knights games.
DISH Network is Lucky they Have TVB Channels or I never would have them Fuckers in my house.
Damn Bitch won't let me cancel it lol.
GO RANGERS!!
And GO WILD with MAF!!
Does maxpen stopping sucking cock for the day mean he won't suck a cock tomorrow? He's an addicted cocksucker so he'll be sucking cock again tomorrow.
Nothing against MaxPen but this post was hilarious and well written.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You can insert anyone's name you want.
Nicely Done MC.
Near as I can tell, there is no bookkeeping. These guys never keep records. They scrap together what money they can, when they get paid or whatever other check they get comes in, and head off to the casino. Because they don't keep records, they don't even know how far in the hole they are. That is why when you ask a negative expectation player about lifetime win/loss, they always say "about even", which is a complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
So they scrape together $500 here and lose it. A week later they scrape together $400 and lose it. A few weeks later they scrape together another $600 and lose it. The following month, when their check comes in they scrape together another $500 and turn that into $1000 and "lock up profits". Most ridiculous thing ever. And guess what, they haven't locked up shit, because a few days later they are back at the casino and lose that $1000. Both the $500 they started with that month and the profits they "locked up".
I don't care if these guys don't want to count all their losing sessions and only count their winning sessions. The nutjob at WoV (and other forums) does that, only telling of his winning sessions. But when someone says they are "locking up profits", even if only from one session and dismissing all the losing sessions, they aren't "locking up" anything unless they never play again. :rolleyes: If they are back 3 days later with that money, what have they "locked up"?
These people have no idea of what a bankroll is and any sort of money management. They just talk nonsense.
Did he say he would stop, pause, or quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
His fellow cocksuckers think that's all that matters.
Look, we all know people that have quit smoking, I am sure. If someone quits smoking, and 3 days later you see them outside puffing on a cigarette, did they quit smoking or pulse for a couple days? :confused:
If someone "quits while a head" and 3 days later they are back at the casino gambling, did they "quit" or did they pulse? And exactly what money did they lock up? :rolleyes:
Yes Mickeycrimm, as I've said repeatedly on this and other forums, and as I've said in three divorces in which I was sued for alimony, and as I've filed every year on my federal and state taxes, I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROFITABLE YEAR GAMBLING.
And with that said, had I been more careful about locking up certain big jackpots (which might have meant making fewer frivolous bets) I might have had some profitable years.
Let me give you an actual example.
One weekend I'm at Caesars and I hit a progressive royal for about $24,000. I locked up $14k as a profit and decided to play with the rest at craps.
But here's what I did: I played a more reckless strategy. Rather than take my wins to first replenish my outlay, I started pressing immediately. That was a mistake.
Since you may not know craps I'll give it to you play by play.
I'd start with $135 across.
Instead of taking the first four hits of $35 each to replenish the initial $135 outlay, I immediately pressed. Then a 7 would come and I'd lose it all.
Normally, I'd take the wins from the first four numbers (4 X 35) before I'd start to press.
But I was so "giddy" from hitting a $24k royal, with only a couple hundred in the machine by the way, that I threw caution to the winds and I DID NOT LOCK UP MY PROFIT.
Some players might commend me for pressing early, but a more cautious approach of locking up profits or replenishing the initial outlay first would have given me better results.
Hence the money management tool of quitting or pausing when ahead. It doesnt mean you're quitting forever. It means you are taking your outlay back -- covering your initial bets -- before using your winnings to create new betting opportunities.
People do this in business all the time. Companies take in sales to create profits before they spend money on expansion or before paying out dividends.
Is this money management so stupid?
Frankly I think the so-called APs who criticize my phrase of quit when ahead or quit when pausing do the same thing that I do... but they don't realize it. Or, they won't admit it.
In order to keep gambling and in order to keep taking shots at the casino you need ammunition. If you don't replenish your ammunition you will not be able to keep playing or winning.
But then you have players who think they can't lose because they are playing with a positive edge.
Oh, so you can't lose?
Who has never had a losing session? Besides jbjb and soxfan and maxpen, I dont know of anyone who hasnt had a losing session.
Even Kewlj admits to losing for months at a time.
But what keeps you going during those losing seasons? A large bankroll plus profits you banked before.
Of course I can't speak for Maxpen because he wasn't hurt by the Pandemic shutdown. Good for you Maxpen, but AP extraordinaire Kewlj collected state unemployment insurance benefits during the shutdown.
Post things I said and demonstrate they are wrong. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHow many examples do I need to post before you admit to being full of shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm looking for a number here, ditz, no martian mumbo-jumbo.
Some of you guys that play blackjack and read or used to read Norm's forum, will remember a kind of oddball guy, that posted there for a while. I forget what he did for a living, but in his 60's when he retired, he took up card counting. He had a starting bankroll of whatever amount it was that he set aside as his blackjack bankroll, that he kept in a shoebox. And as he played and won or lost, the amount of the bankroll in the shoebox, fluctuated. That is a very primitive way of keeping track that I wouldn't recommend for any player, who is even slightly serious about his play, but at least this guy always knew exactly where he stood as far as bankroll and winning and losing.
These degenerate gambler types that scrape together one session bankroll after another, have no idea where they stand. Maybe if they could see the actual amounts they have lost, they would stop, or learn to apply some AP techniques. Although most always say that would take the fun out of gambling. So they do what they do and lie to themselves along with everyone else. :rolleyes:
I have no problem with negative gamblers using stop win/stop loss. I actually recommend it. Since you are gambling at a deficit the less you play the less you will lose. So go ahead and quit those times you get ahead in the short term. It will save you money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Just don't fool yourself by thinking you will win in the long term.
Whether you are playing positive or negative games when does it hurt to take a profit?
Serious question Alan? So after you "locked up $14k" and blew through the 10K, did you ever gamble again? If you did, then you didn't really lock anything up did you? You didn't "quit" while ahead, you just paused for a while. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Not trying to put you down or be mean. This is the way many "gamblers" think. But it is complete voodoo.
I'm pretty sure dope heads have rituals on how they lay out their lines, fill their pipes, or tie off their arms. This reads something like that. It's all a bunch of nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I lose all the time. I just win more than I lose. It's guaranteed to happen that way. Or I wouldn't play. Does it happen every session? No
It's time to play our favorite game.
More Parlay Discussion.
If you bet a 2 Teamer and yes that is a Parlay and each team you put on the ticket has an 85% chance to win do you have the mathematical edge?
Monet, you have about a 72.3% chance of winning the parlay.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Why not do the math on betting each straight, then as the parley, then how you make out if both win or if you split.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Then you have the answer. And the answer may not be if you had an advantage, but did you give some advantage away. Or did you gain some compared to betting them individually?
And how can you quantify “85%” chance? Historical numbers or just estimated?
It’s an interesting question you asked.
That doesn't sound so good but I don't understand math.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
If the 2 Team Parlay pays 3 or 4 to 1 on your money and you have a 70% chance to win do you have the mathematical edge against the book over time?
What if the Quarterback likes Cocaine?
Does that factor into the equation?
Just spitballin' here.
Oh Lookie Here!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
The professional sports bettor finally came out of the woodwork.
Welcome to the conversation!
No Plan B it distracts from Plan A!!!
I'm comin'
I'm comin'
I'm comin'
You can't stop me.
You can't stop me.
I'm comin'
You better watch your back!
As always Monet, FUCK YOU. When did I ever claim that?Quote:
Originally Posted by monetOh Lookie Here!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
The professional sports bettor finally came out of the woodwork.
Welcome to the conversation!
You asked a question, I answered.
Making picks is nice, posting every ticket you bet would be far more interesting.
As confrontational as most of these last two pages are, it's been an interesting read.
First I'll say, max and mickey are basically saying the same things. But the animosity is senseless.
I have no problem with how AP's report grinding out profits. But does anyone really believe or expect to hear any of them say they are struggling to make their living at times when they truly are? They are going up against casinos. It happens. It's never all hearts and flowers.
The discussion about pensions and 401k's I guess was to show a difference between AP's and traditional work. But it fell short. If you work/worked for a Fed., State, City or County govt then you receive a pension that you pay into in lieu of SS because of their structure. That's one of the reasons I retired from my Fed. job and went into the private sector. And I specifically chose the Aerospace industry because, not only will you pay a relatively small amount into SS to receive much more in retirement, but you pay nothing into what is a lucrative pension plan after you're vested which is typically 5-years. (I know today the pension plans are nearly non-existent or have been severely cut back on).
But the cream of the crop is their 401k's, which have also been greatly reduced. In my day we could choose what % of our earnings we wanted deducted for it up to I think 18%, but the company would also match our deductions up to 8%. Everything is reduced today of course, including the companies' contribution to healthcare etc. But overall, mickey is correct about all this being a part of an employee's wage benefit pkg. Sick and personal days, maternity and hardship leaves, education requirements, vacation pay, and probably even paid days off to go to a class on Trans Gender Studies these days....who knows with the type of sick people we have running this country right now. All included.
Obviously and especially if you have a family and/or dream of early retirement from work, this type of employment is far superior to that of an AP. The trade-off is in the freedom of self-employment. You could argue all day. Bottom line: NEVER criticize the way someone chooses to work for their living. And remember, there will always be someone who makes a better living than you--all the way up to Elon Musk--whether or not they make more money than you.
The freeloaders are the bad guys.
You are the one running around sending letters to the Casino ratting on people.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
You are the one who says anyone who bets parlays is a sucker, check do not bet parlays thread to confirm.
It would be impossible for me to post every ticket as you would never know if I was hiding something.
You would literally have to follow me around every day and watch everything I do but nice try ASSHOLE... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
If you think I have bet more tickets to lose more than 131k you are out of your Fucking Mind.
Again... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
You don't even Fucking realize that I had an 11 day period where I made more than 8x that amount in the book before the 6 teamer.
Once again... FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ...ummm FUCK YOU!
AND once again.
Don't worry about my Secret Squirrel Shit.
Judge me on the picks that I pre-post... SIMPLE.
Are all the picks that I pre-posted in the last 15 months winning overall or losing... Now What??
I'm pretty sure I have only been posting picks for the last 12 to 18 months.
Did I win a Fucking 4, 5 and 6 Teamer in the last year that were PRE-POSTED?????
And did they cover all the ones that I pre-posted and lost???
How many 2 Teamers and Straight Bets?
You all can totally just Fuck the right off!
You're just mad because you didn't bet one red cent on any of the easy ones I gave to everyone free on this site.
Muwhahahhahahha!
You think that the book can catch me now being up over 120k on pre-posted picks at VCT???
If you think so you are just as stupid as you look.
The difference between me and most of you is that I breath, eat, sleep, live and shit gambling since I was 7 years old.
That's 40 Fucking Years so once again Bosworth... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Get help buddy!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
And I’m still right about parlays. Keep chasing the dragon.
Yeah... of course that's all you can say lol lol lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
EAT IT FUCKER!
We're gonna see in the next 18 months.
And I'm gonna keep laughing at your stupid ass.
While I keep cashing out winners!
Hey alkie... go drink some more beer with your pals like AxelWolf!
Letters? What is this 1995? Running? At least one of us can run.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetYou are the one running around sending letters to the Casino ratting on people.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
You are the one who says anyone who bets parlays is a sucker, check do not bet parlays thread to confirm.
It would be impossible for me to post every ticket as you would never know if I was hiding something.
You would literally have to follow me around every day and watch everything I do but nice try ASSHOLE... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
If you think I have bet more tickets to lose more than 131k you are out of your Fucking Mind.
Again... GO FUCK YOURSELF!
You don't even Fucking realize that I had an 11 day period where I made more than 8x that amount in the book before the 6 teamer.
Once again... FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ...ummm FUCK YOU!
Parlays are for suckers, I’ll stand by it everyday.
“Impossible”? Maybe, because it may show you are betting a lot of them and only showing the few winners, even with granted, one very large winner. Still not impossible and not my business, but you’re the one claiming parlays are the way to go.
More than 131k in losses? Not now but if you keep betting parlays that size, almost guaranteed you will. Trust me, I’m sure there are more than a few people around town who would love to book your parlays, and with the cash to back it up.
11 day period, 8x that. $900,000 in winnings in the books. Ok, that one I’ll call total bullshit on. You would have been bragging about it before now.
Who are you trying to impress with these claims? Because little old me got you all fired up this morning.
Now go fuck off you fat fuck before you have a heart attack. It’s not worth arguing with me, you aren’t going to impress me with all your claims. And get some sleep, that shits going to wear off soon.
So you are winning 8x a $111,000 winner and you are going to laughing at me??? What did I do to deserve all that attention?Quote:
Originally Posted by monetYeah... of course that's all you can say lol lol lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
EAT IT FUCKER!
We're gonna see in the next 18 months.
And I'm gonna keep laughing at your stupid ass.
While I keep cashing out winners!
Hey alkie... go drink some more beer with your pals like AxelWolf!
18 months? Why that time frame? First couple weeks of the 23-24 NHL season? Then what?
Lol,lol,lol.
So angry.
Dear Brian Bosworth,
You are nothing but a Dirty Stinking Rat who writes letters to Casino Management about APs and Players who participate at these Gambling Forums.
Members like you should be banned from every site because you are a liability that will RAT on the next AP or Player that you don't agree with.
But that's ok because I got a New Mission in Life.
Every time you post at VCT, I will be right behind you calling you out for the Dirty Stinking Rat that you are.
Now go write another letter to your buddies at the Casino.
Maybe they will give you some Free Cheese.
YOU DIRTY STINKING RAT MOTHER FUCKER YOU!
Disregard this post as I had to NUKE and Edit it as usual... I'm an idiot... I have only been posting picks since 1/1/21 so that's what 14 months?
Fuck... I really can't count.
Up about 140k total for pre-picked posts.
Not bad for 14 months I suppose but I know, you guys make more money than I can shake a stick at working those square gigs.
2500 a week... I mean that seems like good money to me?
But oh yeah.
I'm Chasing the Dragon.
I'm gonna give back 140k to the sports book in the next year??
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Leaving the issue as to however monet bets hockey being negative or positive (as it is a game of opinion), all I can say is that if it were positive, and monet doesn't like to shop too much, I would be straight betting $3300 to $4400 a game at optimal odds wherever those odds presented themselves, thus checking half a dozen shops every day. That way, once he found optimal odds for each game, it's likely he could get the $3300 or $4400 down on the game at one place without much trouble. He wouldn't have to rank the shops' odds at those amounts and put some for Team A at one place and more at another.
Two anecdotes regarding parlays --
1) During the first trial of Mike Stockunas (you can google him) in Pennsylvania, Stockunas' assistant was put on the stand. The prosecutor asked him if he took bets for Stockunas over the phone. The assistant said yes. The prosecutor asked what kinds of bets. The assistant answered and made a point to mention parlays. The prosecutor asked the assistant if he could tell the court what a parlay was. The assistant, making the most of his time in the limelight, cleared his throat and said, "Yes. It's a really stupid bet," which resulted in laughter in the courtroom. Note: Stockunas routinely handled asymmetric amounts on games beyond what monet won on the big parlay.
2) I had a dentist friend from Florida, who I occasionally placed a five digit boxing wager for in LV. He often laid odds, especially bets like Over 10 1/2 rounds of 12 round fights and things like that. He said, "Parlays are for poor people." Boz knows what he meant by that, and I had never framed it that way until he said it, but there is that element to it.
Welp, you did a good job here.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Feeling Hurt.
Nicely Done.
You finally got me back for all that Slant Eyed Gook Talk.
Respect!
Stupid VCT site duplicating my post!
At three to 1 we have:Quote:
Originally Posted by monetIf the 2 Team Parlay pays 3 or 4 to 1 on your money and you have a 70% chance to win do you have the mathematical edge against the book over time?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
0.7x3 + 0.3x(-1)=1.8 meaning you will profit 1.8 dollars for each dollar bet in the long run.
At four to 1 we have:
0.7x4+0.3x(-1)=2.5 meaning you will profit 2.5 dollars for each dollar bet in the long run.
So you would have the mathematical edge in both of these situations for the odds you provided and the probability (70%) you provided.
Thanks tableplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
You are always so nice to give anyone free math that asks.
Impressive.
I was depressed for about 20 minutes after the Ditz hit me with that Poor White Trash comment.
Struck a nerve until I remembered that 99% of Americans and 99% of the World Population are Poor People.
With those odds it is tough to for me to feel bad about me being a Poor Person.
I can't really help that I was born poor and will stay a poor person no matter how much cash I accumulate.
The powers that be will not allow us to join their club.
I can think of at least a million worse situations that I could be currently in.
And it isn't going to matter when we all are just burning in the Lake of Fire.
Hopefully, the Devil will allow me to pound on that Dirty Stinking Rat... Boz.
And Monet talking about how he could have robbed another AP he met in person because the guy was drunk? Who thinks like that?
Again, IF you keep betting $1200 parlays, and we have no proof you haven’t been, you WILL lose it all back. That’s simple math and we all know it.
Glad I touched a nerve with you with my emails (not letters) to public corporations I own stock in. They were in regards to a situation being presented that was based on claims, a negative situation for them. As for you, I’d also write letters to them advising them to continue to accept your parlays at any level. It’s in the best interest of myself as a shareholder and their own best as well.
Please keep betting them, preferably at Caesars and MGM properties, or William Hill anywhere. It’s how some avoid being the “poor people”.
I’m laughing thinking of Monet muttering under his breath at the window about how he’s going to show Boz while going on total tilt.
All I can say over and over again is PLEASE keep betting these parlays at venues I have a small interest in.
Thanks buddy!
You Dirty Stinking Rat Boz.
Who are you going to rat on next huh?
Are you writing the Casinos telling them how mickeycrimm is killing them?
Gonna rat on jbjb when you figure out what he is doing?
Are you a Fucking Spy or just a Rat.
Are you about to write the Casino to Rat on kewlJ???
kewlJ done some god awful things on these forums but at least he isn't a Dirty Stinking Mother Fucking Rat like you.
Now Fuck Off because the AP crew around here is getting hip about you and you are not welcome.
You don't help anyone around here anyway with your posts.
Your posts are useless just like the Dirty Stinking Rat that you are.
Careful everyone reading this because Boz is a Rat and he will Rat you out to the Casino.
Only one NHL game on the board but plenty of baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Come on buddy, parlays are calling, the books are awaiting your cash!
Guaranteed we won’t see any ticket pictures before the game, but we know you’ll have them.
Nibble nibble buddy, nibble nibble. Tilt, tilt.
Fucking Dirty Rat Boz hasn't posted around here very much since he sent his letters to executives at the Casino.
It's getting old having to call him a Rat every post but that is what he is and that is my job for the time being.
Careful Readers... Boz will Rat your Ass out to the Casino while he picks up Free Play for RS and the AW Root Beer Crew.
Get to work Rat, working for your Wolf.
And the Ditz thinks I have time to shop around for the best lines?
If he really knew anything about Vegas Sports Books he would know that currently Circa has the best lines almost every game and every day.
Nearly 10 to 20 points better than anywhere else.
Oh, sure, sometimes William Hill lines are slightly better but Circa isn't Fucking around.
They are serious about giving the Sports Bettor the best action.
And I am not a Professional Sports Bettor.
I'm not about to spend 3k per game every day in the Fucking Book.
That's 10 to 30k every day spreading bets around town to at least three books keeping straight bets around 900 dollars.
Fuck that Shit... I got shit to do.
Like I got to walk the dog and or go bowling or Fucking Sleep for 12 hours.
And my new job is making sure that everyone who reads VCT realizes that Boz is a Rat and he could Rat you out next!
That's gonna take some of my valuable time and resources.
You mean the 12 people that visit this place?
Now post todays parlays you fat bastard!
And I’ll save you some time and help you out.
So get out there and make some bets!
Nothing to do today, eh Boz?
Who you gonna Rat on next, you Dirty Filthy Rat Bastard?
At least Ozzy is going to have a good laugh as he reads through this thread this morning.
But being a Rat Bastard like you, Boz, is no laughing matter.
Other than watching my investments drop again today because of the mess Biden has us in, not much to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
And reading about an overweight losing parlay gambler is funny as hell to me.
Along with every post I make I’m educating others that I’m a rat. Just doing some community service for all the visitors here.
So who you betting tonight? Flyers on a roll lately playing out the string but also playing back to back. Surely a sports betting degenerate like you can’t lay off that and will find a few baseball games to PARLAY it with.
In general, Circa has the best numbers. When they opened, they made a real effort to have the most generous futures, also. They calmed down a bit, but are still the first stop or look. But here's the thing, Monet, in LV you can have phone and online accounts now. How hard is it to cross-reference numbers from phone and online accounts so you always get the best deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
William Hill is decent, but their futures have gone downhill. WestGate still isn't bad, but their opinions tend to be like my opinions, so that's no good. Surprisingly, Caesars isn't terrible. I don't know if that's by accident or design. You can really mess with Caesars by going in and asking them to explain their sports comp rates and how much you can bet with what card level. It's like a snipe hunt. They all pretend to know, but nobody does.
Come on Rob, I do this all the time. In 2020, I had the worse year I have had since I moved to Vegas. Working around the 3 month casino closure, I was in the red most of the year, barely pulling into the black 14k late in the year, but 70k below expectation. And I shared these frustrating experiences as I was going through that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I have had 5 different losing periods that lasted 4-6 months. (usually an initial big downturn and slow recovery). I have shared these each time as I have gone through them right along with the emotions and frustration and it is very frustrating to play almost daily with an advantage and feel like you are stuck in the mud, not going anywhere.
Even last year, a very good year for me, I shared in detail a very rough weekend I experienced up in Reno, losing 11k. That got me a lot of attacks by your buddies at GF's, that I didn't know what I was doing, even though the year ended up one of my best.
I have shared my experiences, the good and the bad, the winning and losing on whatever forum I have been on, since I moved to Vegas over 12 years ago. Now it is true that most AP's don't share as I do. I wish they would. I think other players could benefit from that.
Boz and Monet: I am not familiar with this letter writing accusation. Either of you care to explain your side?
But you can count two tables?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
About MDawg taking public companies I invested in for hundreds of thousands of dollars while being over comped.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Along with concerns internal hosts were involved since they claim to tell him “He never loses”.
Just a simple concerned investor about decisions that were being made IF the customers claims were true.
Now we all (mostly all) know it was all BS but it made a point.
Monet is desperate at this point to come back at me because I called him out on parlays at one point and pulled an old post of mine out of the air overnight.
I can take it.
Interesting deflection. You are the one throwing out this accusation at Boz. If you are going to do that, why not tell what you are talking about? AND allow Boz to tell his side?Quote:
Originally Posted by monetBut you can count two tables?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And yes, I can count two tables, when the opportunity is right. Unfortunately there is less and less opportunity for this than just a couple years ago. I am happy to discuss this if you were really interested.
Listen up Ditz.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It goes like this.
90% of the time Circa has the bar none best lines.
98% of the time Stations has the worst lines you could ever imagine.
I bet with both.
Convenience sometimes trumps having to run the downtown logistical gauntlet and I had an account with Circa but their Fucking App doesn't work well for me for some reason.
Cost me 1200 dollars because I wanted to bet on the Knights in a game before the start of the third period and the Fucking Swirly Circle wouldn't stop swirling.
So the next day I immediately closed my account.
In next to dead last place right beside Stations is Boyd Fucking Gaming... Horrible Lines and Scared Little Women behind the counter.
Everyone else falls in the middle.
I got in trouble at WestGate so I don't go in the joint too much anymore but Fuck their Super Book anyways.
I beat their machines and mail out of a couple hundred grand so Fuck Them!
And William Hill needs to be thrown out of the City/World.
Mother Fucking Skeleton Crew working with less than 10k in the drawer.
Thank you for clarifying Boz. Yes, I had heard that story. Don't really care either way. Monet made it sound like there was an incident involving him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozAbout MDawg taking public companies I invested in for hundreds of thousands of dollars while being over comped.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Along with concerns internal hosts were involved since they claim to tell him “He never loses”.
Just a simple concerned investor about decisions that were being made IF the customers claims were true.
Now we all (mostly all) know it was all BS but it made a point.
Monet is desperate at this point to come back at me because I called him out on parlays at one point and pulled an old post of mine out of the air overnight.
I can take it.
You notice I didn't mention Stations? LOL. There was an interesting story regarding Boyd. About four/five years ago, for a two-year period, some Asian programmers were hammering college hoops and college hoops totals. They did really well. They did so well, that many of the larger books delayed their college hoops each day by an hour or two so Boyd took the brunt of the opening salvos because Boyd stayed on their usual schedule of posting numbers. I happened to be at the Gold Coast next to the Rio and managed to get access to the plays for a few days late in the year. Rio (Caesars) book didn't post numbers until after Boyd had posted their numbers. Boyd took the opening action, which moved the numbers real fast, so fast I missed optimal lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetListen up Ditz.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It goes like this.
90% of the time Circa has the bar none best lines.
98% of the time Stations has the worst lines you could ever imagine.
I bet with both.
Convenience sometimes trumps having to run the downtown logistical gauntlet and I had an account with Circa but their Fucking App doesn't work well for me for some reason.
Cost me 1200 dollars because I wanted to bet on the Knights in a game before the start of the third period and the Fucking Swirly Circle wouldn't stop swirling.
So the next day I immediately closed my account.
In next to dead last place right beside Stations is Boyd Fucking Gaming... Horrible Lines and Scared Little Women behind the counter.
Everyone else falls in the middle.
I got in trouble at WestGate so I don't go in the joint too much anymore but Fuck their Super Book anyways.
I beat their machines and mail out of a couple hundred grand so Fuck Them!
And William Hill needs to be thrown out of the City/World.
Mother Fucking Skeleton Crew working with less than 10k in the drawer.
Nope, only real history between Monet and I goes years back when he bragged about how he could have rolled an AP member on forums and stolen his substantial wad of cash he was carrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThank you for clarifying Boz. Yes, I had heard that story. Don't really care either way. Monet made it sound like there was an incident involving him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozAbout MDawg taking public companies I invested in for hundreds of thousands of dollars while being over comped.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Along with concerns internal hosts were involved since they claim to tell him “He never loses”.
Just a simple concerned investor about decisions that were being made IF the customers claims were true.
Now we all (mostly all) know it was all BS but it made a point.
Monet is desperate at this point to come back at me because I called him out on parlays at one point and pulled an old post of mine out of the air overnight.
I can take it.
To this day I’ll call him out on it because of him even thinking it.
As for what I did, I totally understand how it pissed many off. That said I’m sure the casinos considered it a joke when they looked at the records of the individual and realized the online claims were total BS and he is exactly the type of customer they want and love to comp. Along with being great for corporate profits.
Everything else is Monet being Monet, the guy who claims all AP’s are cheats and crooks and no one should ever trust him or anyone else in the line of work. I refuse to believe that and it pisses him off as well.
All good, you know I can give it and take it with the best of them.
Thanks again, Boz. I am aware of Monet saying the things he said about Axelwolf. I didn't like it either. Not just that he could have "rolled him", I didn't like him airing all the dirty details of their meetup. I don't drink much anymore, but used to and we have all been there where you go out with friends or meet up with friends and maybe have a bit too much. You don't expect those "friends" to be online spilling those details.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozNope, only real history between Monet and I goes years back when he bragged about how he could have rolled an AP member on forums and stolen his substantial wad of cash he was carrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThank you for clarifying Boz. Yes, I had heard that story. Don't really care either way. Monet made it sound like there was an incident involving him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
To this day I’ll call him out on it because of him even thinking it.
As for what I did, I totally understand how it pissed many off. That said I’m sure the casinos considered it a joke when they looked at the records of the individual and realized the online claims were total BS and he is exactly the type of customer they want and love to comp. Along with being great for corporate profits.
Everything else is Monet being Monet, the guy who claims all AP’s are cheats and crooks and no one should ever trust him or anyone else in the line of work. I refuse to believe that and it pisses him off as well.
All good, you know I can give it and take it with the best of them.
Monet seeks to find the worst in people and situations. He thinks everyone is basically bad/evil. He finds fault with and thinks everyone is out to get him.
I don't know why you people can't all get along? I get along with everybody. :D
What you don't like is the TRUTH.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It HURTS.
And you claim to be some Honorable Goody Two Shoe Twinkle Toe Card Counter.
I'm here to let everyone know that the AP World is nothing but a dirty, slimy, filthy cesspool.
The only difference between me and you is that I admit it.
Good Story... thanks for sharing!Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The only two words of this statement that are true is card counter. Yes, I claim to be a card counter. The rest is just you being judgmental of someone you don't know and haven't met.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
That hasn't been my experience. I have an AP friend that has reached out and helped me over the past few months, putting me to work on a couple small plays, because he knew about the incident that has caused me to take some time off from card counting. Nothing big, a couple small plays that benefited both of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I am sure there are good people and bad people in APing, just as there are in all walks of life. It is just for some reason you look for the bad in everyone. That is your issue, not mine. To steal a quote from the Ricky Bobby movie "I guess someone didn't love you enough as a kid". :D
--->Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ;141545I
Antelope Range (White Pine County, Nevada).
https://anagram-solver.net/%20I%20do...0?partial=true
Monet is right, about life. They don't make movies like the Matrix to warn people of what may happen, but, to make even more money off them thinking that they ever had a chance. Regardless, Monet still hasn't figured out the truth, the solution to the above.
Well, I that Dan erased some more of my posts.
Not True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby
I have known the solution for 35 years.
LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART FIRST
SECOND... LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
Unfortunately, 97.5% of us will burn in the invisible fire so might as well have some fun while we can.